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2016-2017 English Premier League

Who will win the Premiership 2016-2017

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Apocalypse said:
Zlatan to sign on a one-year contract with ManU according to Sky.
More reason to believe that next season it's ManU all the way.

The bad news: No Zlatan in the Champions League next season.
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Zlatan didn't sign for United, United signed for Zlatan
 
Arsenal in for Vardy, whether Leicester can hold on and keep "the team" together will tell how well they do next year.
 
Higgins86 said:
Zlatan didn't sign for United, United signed for Zlatan
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TBH I think Zlatan is a good signing for United. He's old enough not to threaten the long-term ambitions of their younger strikers, but still good enough to give their strike force a boost. I suspect there may be fireworks to come in his relationship with Mourinho. He played one season under Mou at Inter before moving to Barca. I wonder why Mou preferred Eto'o to Zlatan.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Arsenal in for Vardy, whether Leicester can hold on and keep "the team" together will tell how well they do next year.
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Doesn't he have a minimum fee release clause?
 
Apocalypse said:
Doesn't he have a minimum fee release clause?
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He does and Arsenal have triggered it. Apparently Vardy wants £120,000 a week though so nothing's guaranteed yet. Liverpool were after him but the release clause only applied to Champions League teams.

I think if money is Vardy's main goal he will be gone by September.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
He does and Arsenal have triggered it. Apparently Vardy wants £120,000 a week though so nothing's guaranteed yet. Liverpool were after him but the release clause only applied to Champions League teams.

I think if money is Vardy's main goal he will be gone by September.
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Vardy's not a young player, he should go to where he'll earn the most.
In Arsenal he'll be in the first team as he would if he stays in Leicester, they're a great option for him.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
He does and Arsenal have triggered it. Apparently Vardy wants £120,000 a week though so nothing's guaranteed yet. Liverpool were after him but the release clause only applied to Champions League teams.

I think if money is Vardy's main goal he will be gone by September.
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Vardy would be stupid to leave for Arsenal. Arsenal dont win anything. Alex Song and Vermalen have almost not played for Barcelona and yet won way more medals than Arsenal has in the last 10 years.. There is a running joke, if an Arsenal player wants to win some title, then he needs to move to Barcelona.. Henry, Song, Vermalen in recent times.. but it goes back to the 1990s.
 
PeteEU said:
Vardy would be stupid to leave for Arsenal. Arsenal dont win anything.
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Apocalypse said:
Vardy's not a young player, he should go to where he'll earn the most.
In Arsenal he'll be in the first team as he would if he stays in Leicester, they're a great option for him.
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What Apocalypse said. He's not young and a few seasons ago he was on peanuts in lower divisions. If he'd been paid £60,000 a year since the age of 20 it would be different.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
What Apocalypse said. He's not young and a few seasons ago he was on peanuts in lower divisions. If he'd been paid £60,000 a year since the age of 20 it would be different.
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Yes there is of course this...problem is that Arsenal does not pay high wages... he could get more else where. Plus I dont think he would be first choice at Arsenal.
 
PeteEU said:
Yes there is of course this...problem is that Arsenal does not pay high wages... he could get more else where. Plus I dont think he would be first choice at Arsenal.
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I think it would make sense for him to join Arsenal. He certainly would be first choice. You think Giroud would keep him out? Arsenal may not pay top dollar like Chelsea, United and City do, but in comparison to what he's on at Leicester, it'll be a fortune. He's 29 and needs to capitalise on his success while he can.
 
PeteEU said:
Yes there is of course this...problem is that Arsenal does not pay high wages... he could get more else where. Plus I dont think he would be first choice at Arsenal.
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Of course he'll be first choice in Arsenal. He's first choice in England's NT, he scored 24 league goals last season one goal short of being the top goal scorer, he has the best minutes per goal ratio after Aguero, he broke RvN's record... why the hell wouldn't he be first choice in Arsenal?

And where else can he go? He shouldn't go for a team like Liverpool that doesn't play in the CL because he'll be 30 years old this season and he's never played there yet. He shouldn't go for a top club where he won't get any minutes at all as well but I didn't hear of any of those interested. Of his currently given options I don't see a better one than Arsenal.
 
Apocalypse said:
Of course he'll be first choice in Arsenal. He's first choice in England's NT, he scored 24 league goals last season one goal short of being the top goal scorer, he has the best minutes per goal ratio after Aguero, he broke RvN's record... why the hell wouldn't he be first choice in Arsenal?

And where else can he go? He shouldn't go for a team like Liverpool that doesn't play in the CL because he'll be 30 years old this season and he's never played there yet. He shouldn't go for a top club where he won't get any minutes at all as well but I didn't hear of any of those interested. Of his currently given options I don't see a better one than Arsenal.
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All good points. I think you're right on the money.
 
Apocalypse said:
Of course he'll be first choice in Arsenal. He's first choice in England's NT, he scored 24 league goals last season one goal short of being the top goal scorer, he has the best minutes per goal ratio after Aguero, he broke RvN's record... why the hell wouldn't he be first choice in Arsenal?
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Because that was last season.

Also is he the right type? Arsenal is brilliant when playing counter-attacking football and here Vardy would be much better than Giroud. But as a control based attack.. not so much. And that is the problem.. Arsenal rarely plays counter-attacking football, because most teams sit back and let Arsenal control the game. Here Vardy aint the best choice.

Plus he aint first choice for England. His last game... well lets just say.. 7 touches in total, zero shots on goal. That wont make him a starter. Yes the rest of the team sucked too but still. Kane is ahead of him, and if England plays with 1 forward, well..

And where else can he go? He shouldn't go for a team like Liverpool that doesn't play in the CL because he'll be 30 years old this season and he's never played there yet. He shouldn't go for a top club where he won't get any minutes at all as well but I didn't hear of any of those interested. Of his currently given options I don't see a better one than Arsenal.
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Yes I agree if he can get the 120k+ a week, then so what if he does not play.

But I was looking more at play time and type of player needed, and not so much the money aspect. I can fully accept due to his age, that he goes for the big payday.
 
PeteEU said:
~ His last game... well lets just say.. 7 touches in total, zero shots on goal. That wont make him a starter ~
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Most here are blaming Hodgson's structure putting Rooney at the base of the diamond - he pushed forward and thus reduced the two strikers who scored nearly 50 goals between them to watchers out on the wing. You can't blame Vardy for that match, he's no winger and neither he nor Kane should have been pushed to the wings.
 
PeteEU said:
Because that was last season.

Also is he the right type? Arsenal is brilliant when playing counter-attacking football and here Vardy would be much better than Giroud. But as a control based attack.. not so much. And that is the problem.. Arsenal rarely plays counter-attacking football, because most teams sit back and let Arsenal control the game. Here Vardy aint the best choice.

Plus he aint first choice for England. His last game... well lets just say.. 7 touches in total, zero shots on goal. That wont make him a starter. Yes the rest of the team sucked too but still. Kane is ahead of him, and if England plays with 1 forward, well..

Yes I agree if he can get the 120k+ a week, then so what if he does not play.

But I was looking more at play time and type of player needed, and not so much the money aspect. I can fully accept due to his age, that he goes for the big payday.
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Players are first of all judged by their last season. and I think he does fit Arsenal.
Yes, his pace is his top quality and due to it he's best when used on the counter attack, and Arsenal doesn't do it as often as Leicester, but every team relies heavily on counter attacks when scoring goals (with maybe Barcelona as an exception although they've started doing it more and more often in recent seasons) no matter how dominating it is. Many of Arsenal's goals this season were made on the counter attack.

I can see what you're saying about his functioning on a control based attack, but I think Jamie is actually better than Giroud even on that part. His top two qualities right after his pace are his finishing which is remarkable and his off the ball movement which is also very good.





He'll do just fine on Arsenal.
Anyway I think it's really irrelevant because I was saying what would be best for the player, not for the team. I think every team would love to have Jamie Vardy on their side, as long as he keeps this form.
As to the English NT they'll likely play Vardy, Rooney and Kane all together in the starting 11.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Most here are blaming Hodgson's structure putting Rooney at the base of the diamond - he pushed forward and thus reduced the two strikers who scored nearly 50 goals between them to watchers out on the wing. You can't blame Vardy for that match, he's no winger and neither he nor Kane should have been pushed to the wings.
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A good analysis I've read this morning:

Euro 2016: England didn't use the wrong formation, Roy Hodgson used the wrong tactics, says Danny Higginbotham | International | Sport | The Independent
 
Apocalypse said:
Players are first of all judged by their last season. and I think he does fit Arsenal.
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No players are judged by their previous many seasons.

And here you see a pattern if you go look at it. He has one season where he scores quite a few, then the next he scores relatively nothing, only to return next season to score quite a few. Do you know how many goals Jamie Vardy scored the season before last? 5.

Kane is being judge by his seasons not just last season. In the 2014-15 he had his break through. Would he continue in 2015-16... by the first many games.. no. But then he woke up and well.
 
PeteEU said:
No players are judged by their previous many seasons.

And here you see a pattern if you go look at it. He has one season where he scores quite a few, then the next he scores relatively nothing, only to return next season to score quite a few. Do you know how many goals Jamie Vardy scored the season before last? 5.

Kane is being judge by his seasons not just last season. In the 2014-15 he had his break through. Would he continue in 2015-16... by the first many games.. no. But then he woke up and well.
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Hence the "first of all". Of course a club signing a player will take his entire career into mind, but the first thing you look at is his last season and how well he did on that season. If Zlatan will hypothetically score zero goals for ManU in 38 league games next season you think the big clubs will look at him the same way they do now?

Vardy leveled up his game by a mile, you can't look at the player he was at the age 26, 27 or even 28 and say it's the same player he is today.
 
Apocalypse said:
Hence the "first of all". Of course a club signing a player will take his entire career into mind, but the first thing you look at is his last season and how well he did on that season. If Zlatan will hypothetically score zero goals for ManU in 38 league games next season you think the big clubs will look at him the same way they do now?
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Zlatan is a bad example gezz.. he is 34 for **** sake. Of course they will see him differently in 1 year, when he is 35... Vardy will also be seen differently in 2 years time.. because he will be 31.

Vardy leveled up his game by a mile, you can't look at the player he was at the age 26, 27 or even 28 and say it's the same player he is today.
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Vardy was not alone..
 
PeteEU said:
Zlatan is a bad example gezz.. he is 34 for **** sake. Of course they will see him differently in 1 year, when he is 35...
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It's a very good example, I picked him specifically because he's an "old" player. When he finishes his contract in ManU he'll be 35, but if he will score say 26 goals in 38 league games he'll still be wanted by a big team. If he'll score 0 no big club will contact him because they'll most likely think his career has officially ended.

Vardy was not alone..
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Nobody said he was, but the player he is today cannot be compared with the player he was even a year ago.
 
Apocalypse said:
A good analysis I've read this morning:

Euro 2016: England didn't use the wrong formation, Roy Hodgson used the wrong tactics, says Danny Higginbotham | International | Sport | The Independent
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Interesting quote from the piece - "It wasn’t the system that was to blame for some of Roy Hodgson’s players being in places where they shouldn’t have been. It was the way that system was implemented" - the manager is still to blame though, the article also recognises that almost every player (goalkeeper excepted I hope) was playing out of position.
If you're going to do that, surely you have to practice, practice and practice some more to make it work and Roy clearly didn't. They looked a shambles.
 
I have but two goals for this year...that Crystal Palace and Bournemouth are still in the league in 2017/18.

Crystal Palace (my fav's) faded so incredibly badly last season, I just hope they can stay up.

And I love the underdog nature of Bournemouth. I mean look at their stadium...it's wonderfully small (by BPL standards). How can you not root for them?


As for who will sit atop the table at season's end? Haven't a clue.

And after what Leicester City did last season, I wouldn't dare guess.
 
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DA60 said:
As for who will sit atop the table at season's end? Haven't a clue.

And after what Leicester City did last season, I wouldn't dare guess.
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I think we can guess that it won't be repeated. They are selling all their best players: Vardy, Mahrez and Kante all appear to be on the way out.
 
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