• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Greatest QB of all-time?

Glen Contrarian said:
Those numbers don't make him the best quarterback. Those numbers only mean he was a very good quarterback who was on the most successful team...and that their cheater-in-chief coach was the best coach (meaning, he was wearing enough teflon that even when he got caught, he got away with it).

I like to use the 2001 Seattle Mariners as an example. They didn't win the World Series, but they did tie the all-time record for wins in a season. They didn't have any big sluggers on their team. They still had Ichiro, but Ken Griffey Jr. wasn't there anymore. They didn't have any ace pitchers. But what they did have was teamwork, and their coach Tommy Lasorda. YES, that's baseball and not football, but the same principle applies. Heck, watch "Moneyball" sometime - that adds a wholly different dimension to the story.

So...great seasons and championships don't happen because of a single great player. They happen because the coach AND the management was great.

Personally, when it comes to great quarterbacks, I'd more likely vote for either Montana, Namath, or - most likely - Bart Starr.
Click to expand...

Many contrarians believe the QB is a product of the system in New England.

I can sure you the Patriots lose if Jimmy G is starting. Brady willed the Patriots victory. It was a sight to be seen. Greatness defined.
 
I think that Superbowl pretty much cemented Tom Brady's case as the GOAT. He set the record for passing yards in the SB, biggest comeback in SB history, and now has 5 rings. He should drop the mic, and just walk off into the sunset after that because I don't see how he can top that.
 
Nap said:
I think that Superbowl pretty much cemented Tom Brady's case as the GOAT. He set the record for passing yards in the SB, biggest comeback in SB history, and now has 5 rings. He should drop the mic, and just walk off into the sunset after that because I don't see how he can top that.
Click to expand...

Hell, at this point, he may as well go for two. I may even begin to root for him now. Six rings would tie Michael Jordan, and then we can compare GOATs.
 
Bucky said:
Many contrarians believe the QB is a product of the system in New England.

I can sure you the Patriots lose if Jimmy G is starting. Brady willed the Patriots victory. It was a sight to be seen. Greatness defined.
Click to expand...

The Pats only lost one game without Brady this season so no, that argument doesnt hold up.
 
PoS said:
The Pats only lost one game without Brady this season so no, that argument doesnt hold up.
Click to expand...

Do the Patriots win with Jimmy G starting the Super Bowl?
 
calamity said:
Hell, at this point, he may as well go for two. I may even begin to root for him now. Six rings would tie Michael Jordan, and then we can compare GOATs.
Click to expand...

He already passed Jordan for the GOAT.

Brady is an inspiration and role model. His courage for refusing to meet a tyrant in Obama was courageous. This time around he will meet a real leader.
 
Bucky said:
He already passed Jordan for the GOAT.
Click to expand...
Nope--one more ring to go. And, he'll never get the 6 finals MVP's

Brady is an inspiration and role model. His courage for refusing to meet a tyrant in Obama was courageous. This time around he will meet a real leader.
Click to expand...
You really do need knee pads--and not just for Brady.
 
1 Johnny Unitas

2. Bret Favre
Bart Starr

3. Joe Montana

Leaf was an immature moron like Johnny football who thought he could slide through the NFL he ended up in jail
 
Nap said:
I think that Superbowl pretty much cemented Tom Brady's case as the GOAT. He set the record for passing yards in the SB, biggest comeback in SB history, and now has 5 rings. He should drop the mic, and just walk off into the sunset after that because I don't see how he can top that.
Click to expand...
definitely brady ....5 rings and 4 super bowl mvps don't lie....and if the giants didnt pull a couple out of their arse, he would have 7 rings
 
randel said:
definitely brady ....5 rings and 4 super bowl mvps don't lie....and if the giants didnt pull a couple out of their arse, he would have 7 rings
Click to expand...

It would have been crazy if they had pulled off the perfect season.
 
randel said:
definitely brady ....5 rings and 4 super bowl mvps don't lie....and if the giants didnt pull a couple out of their arse, he would have 7 rings
Click to expand...

lol...or if Jake Delhomme had completed one more pass and Wilson not thrown a last minute pick and KC hadn't collapsed in the second half, he would maybe have 2 :)
 
calamity said:
lol...or if Jake Delhomme had completed one more pass and Wilson not thrown a last minute pick and KC hadn't collapsed in the second half, he would maybe have 2 :)
Click to expand...
i'll give you the wilson pass, that was stupidity on the seahawks part, best running back in the league, on the one yd line, you don't trust your o-line enough to get one yard? lol
 
calamity said:
lol...or if Jake Delhomme had completed one more pass and Wilson not thrown a last minute pick and KC hadn't collapsed in the second half, he would maybe have 2 :)
Click to expand...

He could easily have won all 7 Super Bowls. In fact, most of those weren't even Brady's fault. He easily could have 8 or 9.
 
PoS said:
The Pats only lost one game without Brady this season so no, that argument doesnt hold up.
Click to expand...

The 49'ers were able to win lots of games without Joe Montana. Ever remember Jeff Kemp or Steve Young?

The difference:
In a 13-year span, Montana led his team to 4 Super Bowls.
In a 17-year span, Brady led his team to 7 Super Bowls.

Montana was a good QB in Bill Walsh's system surrounded by great talented receivers. He was a ulta-good system QB.

Brady originally played in a system but evolved and became a passing dynamo. Montana could not do what Brady has done the past 5-10 years and pass for over 4,000 yards a season with proficient accuracy and throw to pedestrian receivers.

With Brady, you have Montana + more explosive passing plays.
 
Nap said:
It would have been crazy if they had pulled off the perfect season.
Click to expand...

Stopped by the g men. I think they were 8 and 8 going into the playoffs too
 
vegas giants said:
Stopped by the g men. I think they were 8 and 8 going into the playoffs too
Click to expand...

They were 10-6, they were the first NFC wildcard to win. I'm not even a Patriots fan but was so disappointed in that loss. I wanted to see them pull off the perfect season.
 
tres borrachos said:
Joe Montana, and I'd put Johnny Unitas a close second.
Click to expand...

The game changed so much that it is hard to make comparisons. When Bart Starr completed 60% one year, it was considered remarkable, albeit he did it with great runners and four hall of fame linemen. Now 60% is routine. One article I read suggested that Montana was the best of the new breed, Unitas the best of the old. Unitas played when linemen couldn’t hold as they do now, when receivers (and QBs) could get clobbered much more than now, and he called his own plays, unheard of these days. Whenhe retired he held all the records. When he died Sports Illustrated put him on the cover with the caption, “The Best There Ever Was.” Nuff said.
 
Kobie said:
Of those three, Graham is the best, by far.

Johnny Unitas doesn't get nearly enough credit ... he was putting up 3,000+ yard seasons when virtually none of his contemporaries were. The late-50s/early-60s Colts were one of the first teams to be built entirely around the passing game, and Unitas was the reason why. Unitas's record of 3,481 passing yards stood from 1963 until 1979, when Dan Fouts broke it (4,082) in the Air Coryell offense. Five years later, Marino had his 5,000 yard season. Since then, 4,000+ yard seasons have become commonplace (Peyton Manning has 14 all by himself) and we've had seven other 5,000 yard seasons.

Bobby Layne is another old-school QB who doesn't get his due. Sonny Jurgensen is another.
Click to expand...

Automatic Otto Graham is certainly in my top 5 but he had some wonderful teammates. Dante Lavelli, Max Speedie,
Special Delivery Jones were top notch receivers & Marion Motley, Jones & later Jim Brown could all tote the ball.

1) Tom Brady
2) Joe Montana
3) Aaron Rodgers
4) Roger Staubach
5) Otto Graham
 
Tom Brady this year is sealing the deal. He has no business even playing back up at 40, yet alone leading a team to 7-2. I am truly impressed.
 
calamity said:
Tom Brady this year is sealing the deal. He has no business even playing back up at 40, yet alone leading a team to 7-2. I am truly impressed.
Click to expand...
Get used to it. Hes in his prime right now
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom