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Oklahoma cop acquitted in shooting death of unarmed black man is now an NRA gun instructor

Yes, these are just statistical facts. A jury made of 12 white US-born Christian people would be more likely to be biased and find fault against a black, foreign-born Muslim who shot and killed a white Christian woman.

Sure in lib-tard loony land where everybody is a racist. However most people are not racist,xenophobic or anti-Muslim. If all these cop shooting a suspect cases happened in one location with the exact same scenario with the same judge. jury and prosecutor and only black cops were found guilty then sure you could claim those people were racist. The fact is these cases happen all over with different judges, different prosecutors and different juries and the events that led to the cops shooting the suspects also happen differently. So you can not reasonably claim racism or anti-Muslim bigotry had anything to do with whether or not a cop gets found guilty or not of shooting a suspect. Using your logic we could assume the cop was found guilty because the jury was biased against cops.
 
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Sure in lib-tard loony land where everybody is a racist. However most people are not racist,xenophobic or anti-Muslim. If all these cop shooting a suspect cases happened in one location with the exact same scenario with the same judge. jury and prosecutor and only black cops were found guilty then sure you could claim those people were racist. The fact is these cases happen all over with different judges, different prosecutors and different juries and the events that led to the cops shooting the suspects also happen differently. So you can not reasonably claim racism or anti-Muslim bigotry had anything to do with whether or not a cop gets found guilty or not of shooting a suspect. Using your logic we could assume the cop was found guilty because the jury was biased against cops.

Yes, sure, I knew that language like "lib-tard" was coming... the hallmark of someone who doesn't have a valid point is to call names.

Yes, what you are saying is basically true when looking at one individual jury, bud doesn't make it any less STATISTICALLY PROBABLE that the odds of bias INCREASE when you have a homogeneous jury that is passing judgment on a case whose defendant is the opposite of them. Which is why lawyers do jury selection and try to veto jurors, something you've never explained. I guess you don't understand the concepts of statistics and probability.

Look, let's say you are a white Christian US-born American male and you kill a black foreign-born Muslim female.

Just tell me, you hire a lawyer and the lawyer tries to engage in jury selection.

Let's hypothetically say (as improbable as it might be) that there are two options for the characteristics of the jury; there are 24 jurors left and potentially we could end up with:

Jury A, made exclusively of 12 white Christian US-born males.

Jury B, made exclusively of 12 black foreign-born Muslim females.

Or a mix, or some approximation of these two options, after the two sides square out in juror selection.

Please tell me what your response would be, if your lawyer told you: "Mr. Jamesrage, through juror selection I can try to steer the juror pool to get us as close as we can to Jury A. Or we can just let go, do nothing, and most likely the other side will make us end up as close as they can to Jury B. What do you want me to do? Do you prefer Jury A or Jury B?"

Jamesrage, please just give me your best honest answer. No BS about how you can't know for sure, you can't assume that people are racist, sexist, xenophobe, religious intolerant, etc., etc. Sure, I agree, you can't. Not with certainty. But certain things are STATISTICALLY MORE LIKELY than others. So, don't beat around the bush, just tell me, if you saw yourself in this situation, what would your answer be?

Would you prefer Jury A, or Jury B?

No other option. I'm asking for a direct, straightforward answer. A or B?

Man up and give me your honest answer. We'll see.

If you say Jury A, you're thinking in logical, statistical, probability-informed terms, and you are not a fool.

If you say Jury B or "either one, it doesn't matter" then, sorry, but you are a fool (and I don't mean it as name-calling; it's just a fact, as NOBODY in his sane mind and with a thinking brain, in this situation, would fail to pick Jury A).

Again, the simple fact that juror selection exists, proves my point, and disproves yours. Statistically speaking, jurors ARE more likely to be biased against people who are very different.

Sure, it's not 100%, nor exact science. It's just a matter of probability.

Let's say, the odds that Jury A would be biased for you, would be, say, 10% more likely than not (maybe in 90% of cases it wouldn't make a difference, but 10% is larger than 0%), while the odds that Jury B would be biased against you, would be, say, 10% more likely than not.

Question, with your life at stake, wouldn't you want the stats to be for you rather than against you??? Wouldn't you rather take 10% for rather than 10% against, which would be a net difference of 20%?

If someone gave you a gun with five slots and one bullet and told you "let's play Russian Roulette, fire a shot with this gun against your head", would you? It's also a 20% chance.
 
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What does "acquitted by a jury" meaning within our society based upon the rule of law?

Not so fast, it is Oklahoma and LE get special treatment when in court... we should also note that while she was acquitted the Jury sent her sheriff a letter saying she should never be a patrol officer again- and she hasn't been.

So acquitted and barred from being a out on the streets with a badge... not so much the rule of law but the turning of a blind eye... :peace
 
Yes, sure, I knew that language like "lib-tard" was coming... the hallmark of someone who doesn't have a valid point is to call names.

Yes, what you are saying is basically true when looking at one individual jury, bud doesn't make it any less STATISTICALLY PROBABLE that the odds of bias INCREASE when you have a homogeneous jury that is passing judgment on a case whose defendant is the opposite of them. Which is why lawyers do jury selection and try to veto jurors, something you've never explained. I guess you don't understand the concepts of statistics and probability.

Look, let's say you are a white Christian US-born American male and you kill a black foreign-born Muslim female.

Just tell me, you hire a lawyer and the lawyer tries to engage in jury selection.

Let's hypothetically say (as improbable as it might be) that there are two options for the characteristics of the jury; there are 24 jurors left and potentially we could end up with:

Jury A, made exclusively of 12 white Christian US-born males.

Jury B, made exclusively of 12 black foreign-born Muslim females.

Or a mix, or some approximation of these two options, after the two sides square out in juror selection.

Please tell me what your response would be, if your lawyer told you: "Mr. Jamesrage, through juror selection I can try to steer the juror pool to get us as close as we can to Jury A. Or we can just let go, do nothing, and most likely the other side will make us end up as close as they can to Jury B. What do you want me to do? Do you prefer Jury A or Jury B?"

Jamesrage, please just give me your best honest answer. No BS about how you can't know for sure, you can't assume that people are racist, sexist, xenophobe, religious intolerant, etc., etc. Sure, I agree, you can't. Not with certainty. But certain things are STATISTICALLY MORE LIKELY than others. So, don't beat around the bush, just tell me, if you saw yourself in this situation, what would your answer be?

Would you prefer Jury A, or Jury B?

No other option. I'm asking for a direct, straightforward answer. A or B?

Man up and give me your honest answer. We'll see.

If you say Jury A, you're thinking in logical, statistical, probability-informed terms, and you are not a fool.

If you say Jury B or "either one, it doesn't matter" then, sorry, but you are a fool (and I don't mean it as name-calling; it's just a fact, as NOBODY in his sane mind and with a thinking brain, in this situation, would fail to pick Jury A).

Again, the simple fact that juror selection exists, proves my point, and disproves yours. Statistically speaking, jurors ARE more likely to be biased against people who are very different.

Sure, it's not 100%, nor exact science. It's just a matter of probability.

Let's say, the odds that Jury A would be biased for you, would be, say, 10% more likely than not (maybe in 90% of cases it wouldn't make a difference, but 10% is larger than 0%), while the odds that Jury B would be biased against you, would be, say, 10% more likely than not.

Question, with your life at stake, wouldn't you want the stats to be for you rather than against you??? Wouldn't you rather take 10% for rather than 10% against, which would be a net difference of 20%?

If someone gave you a gun with five slots and one bullet and told you "let's play Russian Roulette, fire a shot with this gun against your head", would you? It's also a 20% chance.

Nothing but race-card playing nonsense.
 
Nothing but race-card playing nonsense.

Ah, OK. So, you don't have an argument (instead, you call me lib-tard), you can't articulate anything, and you can't even answer a straightforward question (A or B?). All right, no more interest from me; we're done here. Have a good life, and good bye now. Over and out.
 
1. If one believes in the jury system, then one must presume the jurors felt that her action was justified under the circumstances. 2. Why is the dead man's ethnicity of any importance? If he had been, say, a Martian, she would have probably opened fire, too.

You ASSuME way too much. Juries routinely give law enforcement much more leeway in using deadly force. The video from above alone cast doubt over her story.

Furthermore the jury sent her boss, the sheriff, a letter stating she should never work as a patrol officer again- and she was put on desk work. if the jury REALLY thought it was a justified shooting, why the letter??? :confused:

Again you assume the white lady officer would have done something you have no evidence about... :peace
 
Ah, OK. So, you don't have an argument (instead, you call me lib-tard), you can't articulate anything, and you can't even answer a straightforward question (A or B?). All right, no more interest from me; we're done here. Have a good life, and good bye now. Over and out.

All you were posting is race-card playing nonsense not based on reality. As I said before in one of my earlier posts I am not a liberal so I don't see everyone else as a racist.
 
Oklahoma cop who was acquitted in shooting death of unarmed black man is now an NRA gun instructor

Betty Shelby, the ex-Tulsa cop who fatally shot Terence Crutcher in 2016, will soon teach an NRA course. Crutcher's family calls it "a slap in the face."

A white Oklahoma police officer acquitted in the shooting death of an unarmed black man is now teaching pistol lessons through the NRA.

Betty Shelby, the former Tulsa police officer who fatally shot Terence Crutcher in September 2016, said she shot him in self-defense. Video of the shooting showed Crutcher holding his hands above his head prior to the shooting. Crutcher then appears to reach into his vehicle, which is when Shelby opened fire. She was charged with manslaughter of the unarmed father in 2016, but acquitted by a jury in 2017.
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This is the way things work in the bizarro world of Trump. Nothing makes any sense any more.

Why does it matter what color her skin was? What kind of racist bull**** is this? Are you saying she shot him because she was white and he was black?
 
Oklahoma cop who was acquitted in shooting death of unarmed black man is now an NRA gun instructor

Betty Shelby, the ex-Tulsa cop who fatally shot Terence Crutcher in 2016, will soon teach an NRA course. Crutcher's family calls it "a slap in the face."

A white Oklahoma police officer acquitted in the shooting death of an unarmed black man is now teaching pistol lessons through the NRA.

Betty Shelby, the former Tulsa police officer who fatally shot Terence Crutcher in September 2016, said she shot him in self-defense. Video of the shooting showed Crutcher holding his hands above his head prior to the shooting. Crutcher then appears to reach into his vehicle, which is when Shelby opened fire. She was charged with manslaughter of the unarmed father in 2016, but acquitted by a jury in 2017.
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This is the way things work in the bizarro world of Trump. Nothing makes any sense any more.

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP A broken record that revolves around President Trump?
Yea it's a bizarro world for people who can not get Trump our of their silly mind!
 
What does "acquitted by a jury" meaning within our society based upon the rule of law?
Leftwingers don't believe in the jury system; they prefer a mock trial (like their man Nadler) followed by a firing squad. The fact that the cop was acquitted by a jury is bad. Bad for the leftwing cop-hating narrative, that is.
 
You ASSuME way too much. Juries routinely give law enforcement much more leeway in using deadly force. The video from above alone cast doubt over her story.

Furthermore the jury sent her boss, the sheriff, a letter stating she should never work as a patrol officer again- and she was put on desk work. if the jury REALLY thought it was a justified shooting, why the letter??? :confused:

Again you assume the white lady officer would have done something you have no evidence about... :peace

So are you.
 
So are you.

Once again you miss the X-ring.... :roll:

I make no claims about what she would or wouldn't do depending on who she was facing. I do claim the jury sent her sheriff a letter saying she shouldn't be back out on the street and he agreed.... :2wave:

That is all.... :peace
 
Once again you miss the X-ring.... :roll:

I make no claims about what she would or wouldn't do depending on who she was facing. I do claim the jury sent her sheriff a letter saying she shouldn't be back out on the street and he agreed.... :2wave:

That is all.... :peace

Relevance? You don't know if that has anything to do with the shooting. It could be the way she testified or something else.
 
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