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Poll: Bloomberg overtakes Biden in Florida

Thanks for the compliment!

As to Trump, well in defense I can't help but think of the quote,

"We don't get to pick our revolutionaries"

This is true. But Trump just went a bridge too far for me to accept.

I had hoped that his actions during the campaign were just to get attention and he would act rationally once in office. Alas he proved me wrong. I just hope that the dems don't put up Sanders who I just can't vote for.
 
All of us are struggling right now I think. We have lots of choices. You've got Sanders trying to bring about a Reagan revolution to the party, then on other you have Buttigieg, Bloomberg, and Klobuchar trying to run a Clinton 92' style campaign, and appeal to a broad coalition.

It says something about pundits and polls that everyone thought Biden, Harris, and Warren would be the front runners, and it's clear now that none of them will end up winning.

Pundits are demonstrably worthless as prognosticators (we saw this in 2016 as well with Trump); the only thing you can really count on them for is that they'll usually get it wrong. They lack vision, have essentially zero understanding of the average american voter, and effectively live in a bubble of confirmation bias, where they aggressively believe and purport what they would prefer to be true rather than what actually is.
 
I had hoped that his actions during the campaign were just to get attention and he would act rationally once in office. Alas he proved me wrong. I just hope that the dems don't put up Sanders who I just can't vote for.
Ditto!

I think many of us overlooked Maya Angelou's advice,

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.”
 
All of us are struggling right now I think. We have lots of choices. You've got Sanders trying to bring about a Reagan revolution to the party, then on other you have Buttigieg, Bloomberg, and Klobuchar trying to run a Clinton 92' style campaign, and appeal to a broad coalition.

It says something about pundits and polls that everyone thought Biden, Harris, and Warren would be the front runners, and it's clear now that none of them will end up winning.
If you look at some of my posts back in the thread to Puigb and others, you'll see I'm now leaning to Bloomberg. I put a fair amount of rationale in them, if you're interested. I always value your opinion.
 
Pundits are demonstrably worthless as prognosticators (we saw this in 2016 as well with Trump); the only thing you can really count on them for is that they'll usually get it wrong. They lack vision, have essentially zero understanding of the average american voter, and effectively live in a bubble of confirmation bias, where they aggressively believe and purport what they would prefer to be true rather than what actually is.
True that.

Reagan ran in 76' and his party leaders and the media said he was an unelectable cowboy, so they stayed with Ford despite his baggage. When Reagan ran again in 80' against a 60% approval Carter, the establishment in both the GOP and DNC said it would be the best thing to happen to Carter, Supposedly, he was too far right and his economic message too elitist. The polls never saw Reagan's landslide coming.

Clinton's sex scandals supposedly rendered him unelectable, too. The fact that he was proudly secular and pro-choice in a time when the religious vote was important, was also said to doom his chances at ever winning a general election.

I see a lot of Clinton in Buttigieg being gay, and a lot of Reagan in Sanders with his economic message. Will either win? Who knows.
 
True that.

Reagan ran in 76' and his party leaders and the media said he was an unelectable cowboy, so they stayed with Ford despite his baggage. When Reagan ran again in 80' against a 60% approval Carter, the establishment in both the GOP and DNC said it would be the best thing to happen to Carter, Supposedly he was too far right and his economic message too elitist. The polls never saw Reagan's landslide coming.

Clinton's sex scandals supposedly rendered him unelectable, too. The fact that he was proudly secular and pro-choice in a time when the religious vote was important, was also said to doom his chances at ever winning a general election.

I see a lot of Clinton in Buttigieg being gay, and a lot of Reagan in Sanders with his economic message. Will either win? Who knows.

Personally I would thus far describe Sanders' campaign as a hybrid of FDR's and Reagan's, leaning more towards the former, particularly per his messaging and emphasis on revolutionary progressive policy over incrementalism (including the likelihood of Bernie not obtaining an outright majority to win the nomination as per FDR), albeit lacking the historical context of the GD as a backdrop (though with the same overtones of mounting plutocracy, and historic inequality and runaway healthcare costs in the place of economic malaise).
 
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If you look at some of my posts back in the thread to Puigb and others, you'll see I'm now leaning to Bloomberg. I put a fair amount of rationale in them, if you're interested. I always value your opinion.
Bloomberg has a lot of work ahead of him. His record on Stop and Frisk is a real problem for the minority vote, as well as liberals that care deeply about civil rights. Then you've got the fact that he's skipping debates, has a terrible record of supporting the Bush doctrines, and the image of being a billionaire trying to buy the election will be exploited by everyone - especially Sanders and Warren.

Can he win states? Maybe. It depends on how he does in his first debate. If he can make a compelling message then he could win some serious states. But, if he implodes answering for his horrendous record on civil rights, then moderates will have to find somebody else.

My question is whether Bloomberg forces Biden from the race, or if they both fight for southern Boomers..
 
Bloomberg has a lot of work ahead of him. His record on Stop and Frisk is a real problem for the minority vote, as well as liberals that care deeply about civil rights. Then you've got the fact that he's skipping debates, has a terrible record of supporting the Bush doctrines, and the image of being a billionaire trying to buy the election will be exploited by everyone - especially Sanders and Warren.

Can he win states? Maybe. It depends on how he does in his first debate. If he can make a compelling message then he could win some serious states. But, if he implodes answering for his horrendous record on civil rights, then moderates will have to find somebody else.

My question is whether Bloomberg forces Biden from the race, or if they both fight for boomers.

Even more offensive by far in my view is his idiotic insistence that the 2007-8 crisis was caused primarily by poor minorities and government programs rather than Wall Street gambling disastrously with derivatives and the self-destructive, rapacious greed of unregulated private lenders (a self-serving position almost certainly informed by his obvious racial animus and extensive personal and business connections with the financial sector).
 
Personally I would thus far describe Sanders' campaign as a hybrid of FDR's and Reagan's, leaning more towards the former, particularly per his messaging and emphasis on revolutionary progressive policy over incrementalism (including the likelihood of Bernie not obtaining an outright majority to win the nomination as per FDR), albeit lacking the historical context of the GD as a backdrop (albeit with the same overtones of mounting plutocracy, and historic inequality and runaway healthcare costs in the place of economic malaise).
It's a little too soon to know how far Sanders will go. One thing is for sure. He's going to the end and is going to finish first or second, no doubt about it.
 
It's a little too soon to know how far Sanders will go. One thing is for sure. He's going to the end and is going to finish first or second, no doubt about it.

Well yes, I don't know how it's going to end, though I find the parallels are abundant, even if the comparison isn't quite 1 for 1.
 
It's a little too soon to know how far Sanders will go. One thing is for sure. He's going to the end and is going to finish first or second, no doubt about it.

Clearly everyone is guessing at this time. My guess is that Sanders narrow victory in NH is the beginning of the end for him.

My guess is that Mayor Pete,Klobuchar and Bloomberg will the the hot tickets going into the convention. With the winner being....Klobuchar. Dems again try for the first woman president.
 
Individuals are not corporations (and vice versa). In otherwords, individual donors working for corporations are not necessarily representative of them.

Now, if there are industry/corporate bundlers and the like directing funds his way, and he knew and accepted those donations, I would actually be chagrined.

Unfortunately there is no way to know, because corporate donations apparently need to be funneled through individuals and PACs. From the page I linked to:

This page shows contributions grouped by contributor to the candidate's campaign committee plus any super PACs or hybrid PACs working on his or her behalf. This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2020 cycle. The money came from the organizations' PACs; their individual members, employees or owners; and those individuals' immediate families. At the federal level, the organizations themselves did not donate, as they are prohibited by law from doing so. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.

OK, maybe an indirect way to know is whether or not this list overlaps with America's biggest employers by number of employees, so that one would think that this merely reflects individual employees donating to Sanders.

They are:

1. Amazon
2. Walmart
3. DHL
4. UPS
5. Yum! Brands
6. Kroger
7. Home Depot
8. Berkshire Hathaway
9. IBM
10. FedEx
11. Target
12. GE
13. Walgreens
14. Starbucks
15. Albertsons
16. Pepsico
17. Wells Fargo
18. Cognizant Technology Solutions
19. Lowe's
20. UnitedHealth Group

These are the top 20 United States employers. One might think that if Bernie's list is merely from employees and not from corporate donations (funneled through owners/managers/PACs), his top 20 and the top 20 US employers might be somewhat proportional and overlapping.

Of Bernie's top 20 donors, the only overlaps (and far from being in the same order) are:

3. Amazon
10. Walmart
19. UPS
20. IBM

There are 2 overlaps in the top 10 biggest employers and 2 overlaps in the top 20 biggest employers, but very much out of order: in terms of belonging to the top 10 or top 20 in both lists, only two companies overlap more proportionally: Amazon and Walmart. These happen to be the two biggest corporations in America, which somehow might defeat the overlap because it is notorious that they contribute to multiple campaigns, so that whoever wins is not very much against them.

Even if you look at the next top 5 to round up top 25 employers, these are:

21. AT&T
22. JP Morgan Chase
23. TJX
24. McDonald's
25. HCA Healthcare

You get one overlap there: #7 top Sanders donor AT&T is the #21 biggest US employer.

Somehow I find it unlikely that with this little overlap, these donations are exclusively coming from employees. Otherwise, where are the employees of 20 out of the 25 top employers, nowhere to be seen among Bernie's top 20 donors? This makes it statistically unlikely that the list only reflects employees. And another way to look at it is, why are some corporations much higher in Bernie's list although they aren't among the biggest employers? What would make it any more likely that suddenly, Boeing employees, for example, would donate in much higher numbers to Bernie, although there are much bigger numbers of employees in many other corporations in America, than Boeing's employees? One might assume that the enhancement in Boeing's dollar number came from some big check that was not coming from mere employees. Similarly, why would one expect that health insurance group Kaiser Permanente would donate based on their number of employees only, while much bigger health insurers by number of employees, UnitedHealth and HCA Healthcare, are not there?

Can I prove it with this method? I cannot and due to federal law there is no way to prove it. But do I find it suspicious. Yeah! Don't you?
 
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As per post #87, I must say, I've been warming up to Bernie and even considering voting for him in the primaries (as my signature shows, if he wins the nomination I'll vote for him anyway against Trump, but I'm saying, the primaries), especially because healthcare is a big focus of mine, and while I was against M4A before, for reasons I've extensively mentioned elsewhere, lately I'm thinking that maybe a push for single payer is right after all. But the suspicion I now harbor as per post #87 troubles me.

I'll say, I'm a bit disappointed. I learned that a healthcare insurer is donating to Bernie (in a way that looks very much disproportionate in terms of number of employees as detailed above so one suspects that the money indeed comes from the corporation itself rather than from employees), and wonder, what in the hell do they want? Bernie is saying that he will implement a single payer and do away private health insurance, effectively putting Kaiser Permanente out of business. So why in the hell is Kaiser Permanente donating to his campaign???

What kind of back room deal is being done here? Could it be, "Bernie, we are giving you this money; keep saying you'll change healthcare in America for the sake of seducing the voters, but once you're president, don't do it; come up with some obstacle like Congress and blame someone else but don't do it." We've seen this happening over and over, when campaign promises fizzle once the person is in power and then obeys the lobbies instead of taking care of the people's interest.

There is a lot of posturing in American politics.

One of the issues, for example, is illegal immigration. A lot of politicians say in campaign that they will fix it. Republicans, often, say that they will build walls, deport everybody, get tough on economic refugees, etc. Democrats say that they will reform immigration, be generous with refugees, find a way to absorb the existing illegal aliens into a path to citizenship through amnesties, enhance sanctuary cities, etc.

Then they get elected.

Then they engage in even bipartisan attempts to reform immigration. And the attempt fails miserably, and doesn't pass Congress, not counting on votes from neither the Republicans nor the Democrats, and their proponents are berated by colleagues for being Republicans in name only, or Democrats in name only, if they dare to work across the aisle to actually find a comprehensive and effective solution for the illegal immigration problem.

One wonders, BOTH PARTIES WANT THE PROBLEM TO PERSIST. One party wants it to be there so that it fires up its base (the Republicans) so it's not convenient to solve it for good. Another party wants it to be there because it also fires up its base (in a different way) and attracts the Hispanic vote (those Hispanic citizens eligible to vote - there are 25 million of them - do have relatives who are not citizens are are existing illegal aliens or prospective ones who want to come here and join them). So it's not convenient for Dems either to actually solve the problem.

We saw it with Obama. He campaigned on promises that he would fix the problem so that he could attract Hispanics to his ticket. Well, he never did it - and sure, he was obstructed by Congress so maybe he wouldn't succeed anyway, but he didn't even strongly propose it. Hispanics actually got bitter about it, in terms of these empty promises.

Trump is actually the first president who actually is trying to follow through with his campaign promises on immigration, although in a hateful manner, and although in a distorted manner (the original promise was to get Mexico to pay for his "beautiful" wall). One also wonders how much of lip service this is - build some miles of wall, but keep the issue alive for the re-election campaign.

Before Trump, BOTH parties perpetuated the problem rather than trying to solve it, and came up empty regarding their campaign promises.

I hope Bernie, if he becomes president, won't disappoint everybody by posturing more than doing.
 
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My guess is that Sanders narrow victory in NH is the beginning of the end for him.

Well, Surrealistik proved with sound math that Bernie actually overperformed the statistical expectation in New Hampshire more in 2020 than in 2016 (given the fact that he was fighting off more people in 2020 than in 2016 - if you divide the field by the number of viable candidates you'll see that he went above his share by a bigger percentage in 2020 than in 2016); did you see his post?
 
Has anybody out there actually met a Bloomberg supporter? Someone that is like "Hell yeah, Bloomberg is my guy! I love his policies and he really inspires me!". You always hear indirectly about how popular he is on the internet but there's never really any evidence for it. He doesn't bother to show up to debates, he doesn't canvass, he doesn't bother to get on the ballot, and he doesn't campaign around the country.

The only people that really want Bloomberg to run are Bloomberg and Republicans. Being a billionaire does not make you qualified to lead and thinking you can buy an election without putting in the effort or hard work of campaigning is disgusting and one of the worst examples of political swampiness. Stop trying to pretend he's running and that he has a chance, he isn't and he doesn't.

what can i do but laugh

peace brother
 
Well, Surrealistik proved with sound math that Bernie actually overperformed the statistical expectation in New Hampshire more in 2020 than in 2016 (given the fact that he was fighting off more people in 2020 than in 2016 - if you divide the field by the number of viable candidates you'll see that he went above his share by a bigger percentage in 2020 than in 2016); did you see his post?

Back in 2016, Trump was getting about 30% of the Republican primary vote against a bunch of Republican candidates. I don't remember the exact number. I kept hoping that the remaining 70% would coalesce around another candidate, but instead it was Trump who kept rising in the poles as the others dropped out. In the current case I can see Warren's voters going to Sanders but not any of the others.
 
Bloomberg has a lot of work ahead of him. His record on Stop and Frisk is a real problem for the minority vote, as well as liberals that care deeply about civil rights. Then you've got the fact that he's skipping debates, has a terrible record of supporting the Bush doctrines, and the image of being a billionaire trying to buy the election will be exploited by everyone - especially Sanders and Warren.

Can he win states? Maybe. It depends on how he does in his first debate. If he can make a compelling message then he could win some serious states. But, if he implodes answering for his horrendous record on civil rights, then moderates will have to find somebody else.
In the link below to a post I did from up-thread, there's excerpts and links to a recent poll that speaks directly to two of the concerns you bring-up above --> African American vote & general elect-ability.

It appears Bloomberg is doing very well among all registered voters, and is making significant progress with the African-American vote.

DP

My question is whether Bloomberg forces Biden from the race, or if they both fight for southern Boomers..
Great point. I suspect Bernie will never make a majority of delegates going into the convention. His wing is a minority, not even a plurality. As long as there's multiple moderates in the race, even if Biden does collapse but remains in the race at some relatively low level (ex: 10%), we're off to the super-delegate round or brokerage!
 
Pundits are demonstrably worthless as prognosticators (we saw this in 2016 as well with Trump); the only thing you can really count on them for is that they'll usually get it wrong. They lack vision, have essentially zero understanding of the average american voter, and effectively live in a bubble of confirmation bias, where they aggressively believe and purport what they would prefer to be true rather than what actually is.
Do you follow Nate Silver's crew at 538.com? In the final week of the 2016 campaign he was dropping the odds to a final 71% HRC the day before the election. Given that Trump barely squeaked-by with the now well known 70K votes of the 3 pivotal states (PA-MI-WI), I think those were fair odds.

"71% HRC" is nearly "one-in-three" for Trump, and one-in-three happens all the time.
 
Personally I would thus far describe Sanders' campaign as a hybrid of FDR's and Reagan's, leaning more towards the former, particularly per his messaging and emphasis on revolutionary progressive policy over incrementalism (including the likelihood of Bernie not obtaining an outright majority to win the nomination as per FDR), albeit lacking the historical context of the GD as a backdrop (though with the same overtones of mounting plutocracy, and historic inequality and runaway healthcare costs in the place of economic malaise).
"GD"? What's that?
 
It's a little too soon to know how far Sanders will go. One thing is for sure. He's going to the end and is going to finish first or second, no doubt about it.
Bingo! That is, barring some really killer debate mistake(s) or the revelation of some especially heinous item from his past.
 
Great point. I suspect Bernie will never make a majority of delegates going into the convention. His wing is a minority, not even a plurality. As long as there's multiple moderates in the race, even if Biden does collapse but remains in the race at some relatively low level (ex: 10%), we're off to the super-delegate round or brokerage!

Not necessarily. First, 538's Nate Silver's estimate still gives to "no majority," only a 40% chance, and even when giving to this possibility, these relatively high odds, he states that this could change after Super Tuesday, with a candidate becoming more likely to achieve a majority, therefore these odds might fall. So, even before Super Tuesday, it is still more likely, at 60% chance, that someone will get a majority of delegates.

But even if there is nobody with a majority, the assumption that the superdelegates will screw the candidate with the highest percentage of delegates (possibly but not necessarily, Bernie Sanders) and pick someone else, is again a rather baseless speculation, for the simple fact that in the ENTIRE HISTORY of the Democratic Party, superdelegates have NEVER, EVER failed to rally behind the candidate with the most popular vote support (consequently given that the allocation of delegates is proportional in the Democratic Party primaries, behind the candidate with the most pledged delegates).

Why are people so convinced that something that has NEVER happened, will happen this time, when this time, according to party officials, it is even less likely that it will happen, because smarting up from 2016, they know that it would be political suicide? If the Dems pick a candidate seen as non-legitimate and non-sanctioned by the popular vote, they know very well that they will deflate the ticket and entirely rule out any hope of beating Trump in November. No candidate picked by a sleight of hand has even the remotest chance of beating Trump.

I firmly believe that the overwhelmingly more likely outcome is that in second ballot, not only most (obviously not all, but most) of the other delegates but also the superdelegates, will simply rally behind the leader of the first ballot, the candidate with the most popular votes and the most pledged delegates, so that the ticket will show unity and strength, and the convention will be a celebration rather than a street brawl. Why in the hell would the Democratic Party willingly and knowingly effectively kill any possibility of being competitive in November???

People are all afraid of the dreadful words "brokered convention" and are immediately jumping into all sorts of conspiracy theories and ideas of back room deals under the atmosphere of cigar smoke among fat cats, LOL.

Much more likely, the "brokered convention" will be simply the smoothest process in the world, with a first ballot showing the accurate proportions of pledged delegates coming from the popular vote and the caucuses, rapidly, with no further ado, followed by the second ballot enshrining by overwhelming majority, the candidate with the most pledged delegates in the first ballot. Period, full stop, and on to the celebrations and the speeches praising the winning ticket.

Mark my words. This WILL be what will happen in the Dem convention, in case someone doesn't simply achieve first ballot majority.

Very telling is the article from Politico that circulated here, linked to and quoted by others, with the bombastic title that the Dems are considering reinstating the superdelegate vote in first ballot out of concern for extremist candidates hijacking the primaries, touted here as proof of the conspiracy theory that the Dems want to screw Bernie again.

LOL, when you read the article, it says that a "small group", a "half a dozen" non-named people sent an email to the Chair discussing this possibility; the chair responded by shutting it down, and the article adds, "even the proponents of this, acknowledged that it is all but certain that the idea will gather no support," citing that any attempt to the contrary, according to party officials, would doom the party's chances in November.

And that's the proof that it will happen!!! LOL

People apparently don't read the very articles they link to, jump to conclusions, and go by the bombastic title (apparently not knowing that in the search for clicks, titles tend to be bombastic).
 
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Given that Dems have to unify and maximize their turn out to win, it would be very troublesome (the legitimacy is undeniable; he's on record). Mobilizing the minority vote alone is going to be an indelible issue for Bloomberg, nevermind the left flank of the party.

Especially when the news gets out about Bloombergs past with women and his attitude of women. He is essentially Trump lite. I hate seeing democrats throwing perfectly decent and good candidates out the window, just because Bloomberg can "stick it to Trump on Twitter." Thats utterly ridiculous. Lets throw away some of the best candidates that cover the entire democratic spectrum just because this dude has billions of dollars. Sounds republican to me. I encourage people to read about Bloombergs past and decide if this is the high road people really want to take.

Bloomberg'''s sexist remarks fostered company culture that degraded women, lawsuits allege - ABC News
Bloomberg faces backlash for calling trans woman '''man wearing a dress''' - Business Insider
Michael Bloomberg won'''t release women from nondisclosure agreements - Los Angeles Times
 
In the link below to a post I did from up-thread, there's excerpts and links to a recent poll that speaks directly to two of the concerns you bring-up above --> African American vote & general elect-ability.

It appears Bloomberg is doing very well among all registered voters, and is making significant progress with the African-American vote.

DP

Great point. I suspect Bernie will never make a majority of delegates going into the convention. His wing is a minority, not even a plurality. As long as there's multiple moderates in the race, even if Biden does collapse but remains in the race at some relatively low level (ex: 10%), we're off to the super-delegate round or brokerage!

Just saw some headlines that Bloomberg might consider Hillary as his VP. Thats going to lose him a lot of votes.

Michael Bloomberg reportedly considering Hillary Clinton as his running mate
 
Not necessarily. First, 538's Nate Silver's estimate still gives to "no majority," only a 40% chance, and even when giving to this possibility, these relatively high odds, he states that this could change after Super Tuesday, with a candidate becoming more likely to achieve a majority, therefore these odds might fall. So, even before Super Tuesday, it is still more likely, at 60% chance, that someone will get a majority of delegates.
Well - I was expressing my suspicion in relation to the other poster's comment, with respect specifically to Bernie's chance of prevailing by majority going into the convention. That's not likely to happen. And yes, Bloomberg may indeed gain majority, though I believe that will also be unlikely if Biden or (perhaps) Buttigieg remain in the race.

As to Nate Silver's odds, thanks much for posting them. I'm a numbers guy, and I'm a big fan of Nate and what he does at 538. As I stated in my post, my (neophyte) non-quantitative hunch was that probably no one will reach majority status, predicated upon other moderates besides Bloomberg (Biden, Buttigieg) remaining in the race. This was the same predication the other poster used, which is why I responded to it in like form. I do not believe Silver predicates his odds by that.

However, I'm good with Silver's (non-predicated) odds and wouldn't doubt if they're accurate. Biden (and the others) may drop, leaving a heads-up race between Bloomberg & Sanders, where I believe Bloomberg might then prevail. So Nate's odds are probably good.

But even if there is nobody with a majority, the assumption that the superdelegates will screw the candidate with the highest percentage of delegates (possibly but not necessarily, Bernie Sanders) and pick someone else, is again a rather baseless speculation, for the simple fact that in the ENTIRE HISTORY of the Democratic Party, superdelegates have NEVER, EVER failed to rally behind the candidate with the most popular vote support (consequently given that the allocation of delegates is proportional in the Democratic Party primaries, behind the candidate with the most pledged delegates).

Why are people so convinced that something that has NEVER happened, will happen this time, when this time, according to party officials, it is even less likely that it will happen, because smarting up from 2016, they know that it would be political suicide? If the Dems pick a candidate seen as non-legitimate and non-sanctioned by the popular vote, they know very well that they will deflate the ticket and entirely rule out any hope of beating Trump in November. No candidate picked by a sleight of hand has even the remotest chance of beating Trump.

I firmly believe that the overwhelmingly more likely outcome is that in second ballot, not only most (obviously not all, but most) of the other delegates but also the superdelegates, will simply rally behind the leader of the first ballot, the candidate with the most popular votes and the most pledged delegates, so that the ticket will show unity and strength, and the convention will be a celebration rather than a street brawl. Why in the hell would the Democratic Party willingly and knowingly effectively kill any possibility of being competitive in November???

People are all afraid of the dreadful words "brokered convention" and are immediately jumping into all sorts of conspiracy theories and ideas of back room deals under the atmosphere of cigar smoke among fat cats, LOL.

Much more likely, the "brokered convention" will be simply the smoothest process in the world, with a first ballot showing the accurate proportions of pledged delegates coming from the popular vote and the caucuses, rapidly, with no further ado, followed by the second ballot enshrining by overwhelming majority, the candidate with the most pledged delegates in the first ballot. Period, full stop, and on to the celebrations and the speeches praising the winning ticket.

Mark my words. This WILL be what will happen in the Dem convention, in case someone doesn't simply achieve first ballot majority.
While I agree with everything above, with all respect I'm not claiming anything to the contrary. I realize some here may, but my prognostication of a brokered convention was proclaimed agnosticly.

However, I'm beginning to think it might be interesting to have a brokered convention. I don't necessarily fear it, unless Bernie drags it through the mud. As I watch Bernie this cycle, I think there is that possibility. But I do believe Bernie should fight damn his best to represent his wing. They all should. This is what democracy looks like. And what will prepare them for Trump.

Very telling is the article from Politico that circulated here, linked to and quoted by others, with the bombastic title that the Dems are considering reinstating the superdelegate vote
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Especially when the news gets out about Bloombergs past with women and his attitude of women. He is essentially Trump lite. I hate seeing democrats throwing perfectly decent and good candidates out the window, just because Bloomberg can "stick it to Trump on Twitter." Thats utterly ridiculous. Lets throw away some of the best candidates that cover the entire democratic spectrum just because this dude has billions of dollars. Sounds republican to me. I encourage people to read about Bloombergs past and decide if this is the high road people really want to take.

Bloomberg'''s sexist remarks fostered company culture that degraded women, lawsuits allege - ABC News
Bloomberg faces backlash for calling trans woman '''man wearing a dress''' - Business Insider
Michael Bloomberg won'''t release women from nondisclosure agreements - Los Angeles Times
But the bolded is the point.

Even if true, there's little Trump or the GOP can throw up of that nature that will stick. Trump is simply demonstrably far worse in those (or pretty much - any) matters! When comparing the two side-by-side one-on-one, I can't see Trump successfully making that argument.

Even if we were to equate the two men in their sordid activities, Bloomberg still far surpasses in the gravitas of him being a highly successful self-made businessman, in contrast to Trump's poor-little-rich-boy's dismal track record of failure & bankruptcy.
 
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