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Poll: Bloomberg overtakes Biden in Florida

washunut said:
My sense is that your response says more about the current democratic field ex-Bloomberg than it does about the man himself. Yes he has excellent credentials to run on. Three thime mayor of the financial capital of the world. Self-made multi-billionaire. Strong anti-gun record. Big time philanthropist etc.

That being said, the key at least to me in presidential elections is voter turnout. No better example than how HRC lost the key Midwest states that you are more an expert on than I. It will be very interesting to see if a NYC billionaire who happens to be Jewish can get out the vote in the Midwest and with minorities. I would be shocked if the country was reasy to elect a Jewish president.
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Your points are fair, but actually this speaks to who I believe can win. I think Buttiegieg might be the candidate I most prefer in office. He might make the best President. But I'm not sure he'll prevail nationally. So, I have to look for someone who can. And Bloomberg is looking like that guy. Plus, I'm beginning to warm up to him.

The country is divided. The guy I believe is best may not win. So, I have to compromise. It may sound condescending, but I won't link myself to "the most popular guy will be the best". I don't believe that at all. Trump may win, yet he is terrible! (IMO)
 
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CaughtInThe said:
Who can beat Trump.
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Hah! But true.

It looks like we may be heading into a variation of, "Yeah he's an a-hole - but he's my a-hole!":

"Yeah he's a billionaire - but he's my billionaire!"

:mrgreen:
 
TurtleDude said:
He's a control freak wannabe dictator. He also has sent lots of jobs to China
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Well I don't know the details of your claims, but I suppose they will eventually come-out to be clarified. But as I look at Trump, I'm willing to take a risk (on Bloomberg) until I see reason to do otherwise.
 
TurtleDude said:
Maybe, maybe not. I don't think his values will do well in most of the fly over country.
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You may have a legit point here. His gun-control stance is not going to play well at all in a lot of places. But then I'm not so sure those places will vote Dem, anyway.
 
Chomsky said:
Your points are fair, but actually this speaks to who I believe can win. I think Buttiegieg might be the candidate I most prefer in office. He might make the best President. But I'm not sure he'll prevail nationally. So, I have to look for someone who can. And Bloomberg is looking like that guy. Plus, I'm beginning to warm up to him.

The country is divided. The guy I believe is best may not win. So, I have to compromise. It may sound condescending, but I won't link myself to "the most popular guy will be the best". I don't believe that at all. Trump may win, yet he is terrible! (IMO)
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So to be clear, you're into the guy who has nothing going for him but his money (he has no eloquence, charisma, nor an impressive platform), who essentially crow-barred into the primary by way of spending exorbitant sums and buying support wholesale, who is a bona fide racist ( This should disqualify Michael Bloomberg (opinion) - CNN ) , who idiotically believes, per a combination of his racial animus and refusal to finger his friends on Wall Street where he made most of his money, that the 2007-8 financial crisis was caused primarily by poor minorities and the government ( Michael Bloomberg Blamed End of '''Redlining''' for 2008 Financial Collapse | Time | btw he's utterly wrong: https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...redlining-2008-collapse-2.html#post1071348583 ), who vehemently refuses to recognize Xi as the dictator he is and China as a brutal and oppressive totalitarian surveillance state ( YouTube ), and who earnestly likens a living wage to 'communism' ( Mayor Bloomberg Says Living Wage Bill Reminds Him Of Communist Russia | Observer ).

This guy is pure electoral poison, and there is no way in hell he's going to get Dems onside and motivated in the way he needs to in order to win, even if he manages to purchase the nomination.
 
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Chomsky said:
Your points are fair, but actually this speaks to who I believe can win. I think Buttiegieg might be the candidate I most prefer in office. He might make the best President. But I'm not sure he'll prevail nationally. So, I have to look for someone who can. And Bloomberg is looking like that guy. Plus, I'm beginning to warm up to him.

The country is divided. The guy I believe is best may not win. So, I have to compromise. It may sound condescending, but I won't link myself to "the most popular guy will be the best". I don't believe that at all. Trump may win, yet he is terrible! (IMO)
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As I heard someone say yesterday, that is why people make vanilla AND chocolat. I feel just the opposite. I know you understand that a disagreement between is is not an insult just disagreeing.

After going through first Obama, a nice guy and good speaker but with very little experience. Then to Trump. The opposite of Obama in the nice guy territory but who people thought could get things done. This time not with little experience,rather none. Do not think the country is ready for another bet on a rookie ( I know I am not). Mayor Pete fills that box,being mayor of a city that is smaller than many neighbbusiness and orhoods in NYC. Bloomberg checks the box of experience both with age,truly building a massive business and age.

Progressives may be excited that Butiegieg covers a label and be a "first" boomers like myself could care less and just want a competent president. The first one we would have had in the 21st century.

Time will tell.
 
Chomsky said:
And Trump isn't?

The problem Trump is going to face with Bloomberg, is nothing Trump can say about Bloomberg will not be reflected back upon him to perhaps an even greater degree. Except that Bloomberg has more legit chops and accomplishments. Being self-made, for one. And building a media empire, for two.

Remember, Bloomberg's life and empire is media. We may find he is the most media savy and organizationally savvy guy among the players. More than Trump or the Dems. Have you seen the organization he's put together? The data infrastructure? The guy is doing a ton of things behind the scenes. I'm blown away by his organizational skills to do what he accomplished in such a short time. This guy can organize!
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I noticed in all of that you don't mention his message appealing to you or him convincing the American people his way is best. You talked about a money fed advertisement machine. Perhaps you can understand why a lot of Americans and tons of Sanders supporters won't find that palatable.

CaughtInThe said:
Who can beat Trump.
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What evidence do you have to support that? He couldn't even make it on the primary ballot yet.
 
TurtleDude said:
Maybe, maybe not. I don't think his values will do well in most of the fly over country.
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A Trump supporter talking about values.

This entire era is like some bizarro episode of puffin stuff.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Has anybody out there actually met a Bloomberg supporter? Someone that is like "Hell yeah, Bloomberg is my guy! I love his policies and he really inspires me!". You always hear indirectly about how popular he is on the internet but there's never really any evidence for it. He doesn't bother to show up to debates, he doesn't canvass, he doesn't bother to get on the ballot, and he doesn't campaign around the country.

The only people that really want Bloomberg to run are Bloomberg and Republicans. Being a billionaire does not make you qualified to lead and thinking you can buy an election without putting in the effort or hard work of campaigning is disgusting and one of the worst examples of political swampiness. Stop trying to pretend he's running and that he has a chance, he isn't and he doesn't.
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He's giving the post office lots of work. I've been getting a mailer from him about once a week now. Add in the radio and TV ads and he seems to be blanketing the Super Tuesday states. Just pouring money into ads to raise his poll numbers is a turnoff for me. On the other hand, I do enjoy it when he mixes it up with the Trumptard-in-Chief. He gives way better than he gets every time and makes Trump look pathetic.:mrgreen: That alone might get him votes.
 
bearpoker said:
He's giving the post office lots of work. I've been getting a mailer from him about once a week now. Add in the radio and TV ads and he seems to be blanketing the Super Tuesday states. Just pouring money into ads to raise his poll numbers is a turnoff for me. On the other hand, I do enjoy it when he mixes it up with the Trumptard-in-Chief. He gives way better than he gets every time and makes Trump look pathetic.:mrgreen: That alone might get him votes.
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The fact that he is more centrist than Anyone else running is what does it, plus that he has actually accomplished something, built something. Yes I know Biden is technically running, but he never mattered.
 
We'll see what the Cubans in Little Havana think of Bloomie's "throw minorities against a wall" statement.
 
Linc said:
Supporters of traitor trump are very afraid of Bloomberg. Their BDS is now on full display.
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Any sane person would fear a Nanny Statist asshole. Do you want Big Gov telling you what you can and cannot drink or eat?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I noticed in all of that you don't mention his message appealing to you or him convincing the American people his way is best. You talked about a money fed advertisement machine. Perhaps you can understand why a lot of Americans and tons of Sanders supporters won't find that palatable.



What evidence do you have to support that? He couldn't even make it on the primary ballot yet.
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I can see the bolded being a fair criticism. But then don't underestimate the overwhelming desire to stop Trump. That counts for a lot with quite a few. Maybe not for you (I don't know), but for many (like me). If Bloomberg can do it, that alone will be enough in the eyes of many.
 
JacksinPA said:
Poll: Bloomberg overtakes Biden in Florida | TheHill


Michael Bloomberg is leading the pack of Democratic presidential hopefuls in Florida, according to a new survey from St. Pete Polls, a sign that the former New York City mayor has picked up traction in a crucial swing state before most of his rivals have even started to campaign there.

The poll shows Bloomberg with 27.3 percent support in the Sunshine State, up 10 points from a similar poll released late last month. Biden, meanwhile, has seen his support in Florida plummet, falling from more than 41 percent in January to 25.9 percent this month.
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I want to see him debate The Donald of Orange, he of the raccoon eyes.
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Shouldn't the thread title be "Bloomberg buys the lead over Biden"?
 
bearpoker said:
He's giving the post office lots of work. I've been getting a mailer from him about once a week now. Add in the radio and TV ads and he seems to be blanketing the Super Tuesday states. Just pouring money into ads to raise his poll numbers is a turnoff for me. On the other hand, I do enjoy it when he mixes it up with the Trumptard-in-Chief. He gives way better than he gets every time and makes Trump look pathetic.:mrgreen: That alone might get him votes.
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To the bolded: It will.

Those that will vote Dem need to see Bloomberg can go toe-to-toe with Trump, in order to earn our votes. Otherwise, we'll instead vote for someone else who looks like they're up to the job.
 
washunut said:
As I heard someone say yesterday, that is why people make vanilla AND chocolat. I feel just the opposite. I know you understand that a disagreement between is is not an insult just disagreeing.

After going through first Obama, a nice guy and good speaker but with very little experience. Then to Trump. The opposite of Obama in the nice guy territory but who people thought could get things done. This time not with little experience,rather none. Do not think the country is ready for another bet on a rookie ( I know I am not). Mayor Pete fills that box,being mayor of a city that is smaller than many neighbbusiness and orhoods in NYC. Bloomberg checks the box of experience both with age,truly building a massive business and age.

Progressives may be excited that Butiegieg covers a label and be a "first" boomers like myself could care less and just want a competent president. The first one we would have had in the 21st century.

Time will tell.
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To the bolded: Of course I realize & respect our differences. There's no need in the least to mention it, nor doubt any less!

:cheers:

But as of the last several days, I'm starting to warm up to Bloomberg. Obviously for myself a large component of that is his perceived electability. But as I find-out more about the campaign infrastructure he's quietly built, and I learn more about him such as his truly being a self-made rags-to-riches story, I find that I'm becoming more positively impressed.

But as you said, "we shall see". I looked hard at Trump early-on in his campaign in the spring of 2016, but soured and changed my mind by mid-summer. His discrediting John McCain's service, and soon after disparaging his Mexican judge, were more than I could stand. We needed a little populism, I believe. But Trump was not the guy to do it. I saw that in his campaign, and stopped there with him.
 
Surrealistik said:
So to be clear, you're into the guy who has nothing going for him but his money (he has no eloquence, charisma, nor an impressive platform), who essentially crow-barred into the primary by way of spending exorbitant sums and buying support wholesale, who is a bona fide racist ( This should disqualify Michael Bloomberg (opinion) - CNN ) , who idiotically believes, per a combination of his racial animus and refusal to finger his friends on Wall Street where he made most of his money, that the 2007-8 financial crisis was caused primarily by poor minorities and the government ( Michael Bloomberg Blamed End of '''Redlining''' for 2008 Financial Collapse | Time | btw he's utterly wrong: https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...redlining-2008-collapse-2.html#post1071348583 ), who vehemently refuses to recognize Xi as the dictator he is and China as a brutal and oppressive totalitarian surveillance state ( YouTube ), and who earnestly likens a living wage to 'communism' ( Mayor Bloomberg Says Living Wage Bill Reminds Him Of Communist Russia | Observer ).

This guy is pure electoral poison, and there is no way in hell he's going to get Dems onside and motivated in the way he needs to in order to win, even if he manages to purchase the nomination.
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I have no knowledge of, nor can I yet agree to your characterizations. But I did a quick skim of the links, and you did post some concerning stuff. How legit & troublesome it is in the larger scheme of things, I'm not yet sure. But thanks for bringing it to my attention.
 
Chomsky said:
I have no knowledge of, nor can I yet agree to your characterizations. But I did a quick skim of the links, and you did post some concerning stuff. How legit & troublesome it is in the larger scheme of things, I'm not yet sure. But thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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Given that Dems have to unify and maximize their turn out to win, it would be very troublesome (the legitimacy is undeniable; he's on record). Mobilizing the minority vote alone is going to be an indelible issue for Bloomberg, nevermind the left flank of the party.
 
Surrealistik said:
Given that Dems have to unify and maximize their turn out to win, it would be very troublesome (the legitimacy is undeniable; he's on record). Mobilizing the minority vote alone is going to be an indelible issue for Bloomberg, nevermind the left flank of the party.
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Maybe, maybe not:

Hours after this story was first published (with this opening paragraph reading “There are signs that black support for Mike Bloomberg in 2020 could be a mirror image of white support for Trump in 2016, when voters who didn’t want to admit their decision to pollsters nonetheless pulled the lever for him”.,

Quinnipiac released a new poll showing that black voters are warming to his campaign. Bloomberg shot up 7 points to third overall in the new poll released Monday afternoon, just two points behind Biden, who dropped 7 points. And Bloomberg shot up to second among black voters at 22%, behind Biden at 27% and falling.

The headline here had asked, “Are Black Voters Quietly Turning to Mike Bloomberg?” The answer for many appears to be “yes,” and not so quietly.
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Source: (Daily Beast) Black Voters Turn to Mike Bloomberg

There's a link to the Quinnipiac in the paragraph I quoted, and the poll has this below:

THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

Among all registered voters, Democratic candidates lead President Trump in general election matchups by between 4 and 9 percentage points, with Bloomberg claiming the biggest numerical lead against Trump:

Bloomberg tops Trump 51 - 42 percent;
Sanders defeats Trump 51 - 43 percent;
Biden beats Trump 50 - 43 percent;
Klobuchar defeats Trump 49 - 43 percent;
Warren wins narrowly over Trump 48 - 44 percent;
Buttigieg is also slightly ahead of Trump 47 - 43 percent.
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In a direct one-on-one against Trump, it seems Bloomberg leads the pack among all registered voters. In this poll at least, and at this time, Bloomberg is looking pretty electable - don't you think?
 
Chomsky said:
Maybe, maybe not:



Source: (Daily Beast) Black Voters Turn to Mike Bloomberg

There's a link to the Quinnipiac in the paragraph I quoted, and the poll has this below:

In a direct one-on-one against Trump, it seems Bloomberg leads the pack among all registered voters. In this poll at least, and at this time, Bloomberg is looking pretty electable - don't you think?
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I think we have a long way to go before November, and the truth about Bloomberg is only beginning to bleed through.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Pitiful comment about the story. Just so full of Trump hate. "The Donald of Orange, he of the raccoon eyes."

Don't you understand how that damages your thread? Nope you don't! :confused::confused:

Anyway Biden is a dead man walking. His campaign is dead in the water. Big money folks are fleeing away from him.
Looks like Bloomberg is buying his way to the nomination.
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Don’t be so thin skinned, the president has always been fair game, Spotty memory, cigar shenanigans, speaking in typo, Tan suits, coffee cups and all. Frankly if this one didn’t put on make up like the joker nobody would notice. Besides trump himself makes so many comments about the appearance of others, he should hardly be immune.

Back to the serious stuff, Bloomberg and Biden are kinda vying for the same demographic, so it’s no surprise that in some states or counties one or the other will poll higher. Wake us up when he’s beating Bernie.
 
27.3%? Wow. That's the highest he's been, anywhere. It's one poll, by an obscure pollster so I'll reserve judgment, but if this is really happening, his campaign is more viable than I thought.

He does have many negatives and may have trouble surviving his attempt to blame minorities for the 2008 crisis (saying that banks should have continued to discriminate against minorities) and his stop and frisk policy. Surrealistik has some good arguments against Bloomberg.

On the other hand he has a lot of money and will be able to hire an army of campaign staffers, and will continue to flood the airwaves with ads. He did skip 4 states so he'll enter the race behind in delegates, with zero, when opponents will have collected some in the first four states.

I always assumed that his campaign is not viable. Nate from 538 gives him only a one chance in fifteen.

But if he is truly starting to get numbers like 27.3%, then the calculations will change, especially if he collects the previous support that was granted to Biden, thanks to Biden's imploding campaign.
 
One thing is certain: if the 2020 race ends up being Bloomberg vs. Trump, then America will have rejected the left. We'll be pitching one billionaire fascist wannabe dictator who promotes racism and xenophobia, versus another billionaire who is the head of a mega corporation with assets in 69 countries, who despises all progressive ideas regarding higher taxation for the rich.

Still, Bloomberg vs. Trump, I'd vote Bloomberg.

Bloomberg can have all the negatives in the world but I don't believe that anybody who is or will be running for president in 2020 is worse than Trump, not even Bloomberg.

I will ALWAYS vote for the lesser of two evils.
 
TurtleDude said:
Maybe, maybe not. I don't think his values will do well in most of the fly over country.
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Oh yeah? as opposed to Trump's mythical values?
 
Roadvirus said:
We'll see what the Cubans in Little Havana think of Bloomie's "throw minorities against a wall" statement.
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Maybe they won't care, as Trump voters don't give a flying crap about all of the racist drivel Trump has said. BTW, Trump is also a supporter of stop and frisk, and in fact wanted to implement it all over the nation, just sayin'...;)
 
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