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    Re: Poll: Bloomberg overtakes Biden in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    But man, that big-time gun-control stand? That's going to be tough with some center-moderate and center-conservative voters. Hell, even with some Dems like me!
    On the other hand, the majority of Americans want more gun control. 64%. Independents support it at 58%. Democrats? 83%. So I'm not sure if supporting gun control will hurt Bloomberg.
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    Re: Poll: Bloomberg overtakes Biden in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    On the other hand, the majority of Americans want more gun control. 64%. Independents support it at 58%. Democrats? 83%. So I'm not sure if supporting gun control will hurt Bloomberg.
    "Sensible Gun Laws" is a red herring that sucks a lot of people in. The proof comes with specificity.
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    Re: Poll: Bloomberg overtakes Biden in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Puigb View Post
    Agreed. I don't care for the guy, but sometimes it takes one scumbag (Bloomberg) to take down an even bigger scumbag (Trump). Also, while Bloomberg is a multiple party switcher like Trump, he's been generally more consistent in his political beliefs throughout his life, even when he was a Republican mayor in NYC. Trump on the other hand, spent his whole life supporting more liberal positions (particularly on healthcare and abortion), and then suddenly became a so called "severe conservative" in his late 60's...
    Well yes, Trump catered to his base and especially to the Republican Congress. Initially during the campaign he was marketing by pandering, but then in office as the Mueller Investigation progressed he clung to the (GOP) Right for mere survival! He had no choice, but to keep going deeper & deeper to protect himself from the onslaught.

    I really am starting to like the idea of Bloomberg opening up a more centrist wing of the Dem Party, along with maybe bringing-in some true moderate Conservatives from the middle or even from the GOP. Bloomberg's conservative side is of the old Northeast "Rockefeller Republican" type. I miss that type of moderate & sensible conservatism. We substantially had that as Dems before, with old the J.F.K. Democrats. It's been my hope for years to re-open the Dem Party to the big-tent it once was, where there was inclusion for both liberal and more conservative Dems. I've lamented this here often, in quite a few posts. Who knows? Perhaps Bloomberg may open that door?
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    Re: Poll: Bloomberg overtakes Biden in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    And let's not overlook that Bloomberg may indeed siphon off moderate Republican voters - and especially Indies. If the Dems can find him palatable enough to nominate, Bloomberg may widen the party from the center. And that's a good thing, whether the Dems know it or not.
    True. I could easily see some of the more moderate Republicans who haven't drank the Trumpian koolaid potentially at least give Bloomberg a look.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I swear, the more that I think of it the more I'm liking what I'm starting to see of this match-up. But man, that big-time gun-control stand? That's going to be tough with some center-moderate and center-conservative voters. Hell, even with some Dems like me!
    Eh, to a certain extent. It all depends how important certain issues are to certain voters.
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    Re: Poll: Bloomberg overtakes Biden in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Puigb View Post
    Also, want to add that Bloomberg more than anyone running seems to be eager to wipe out the Trump presidency from existence. I think a President Bloomberg with a Democratic congress would be devastating to Trump's "legacy", and Bloomberg would probably make it his number #1 priority to reverse anything from the Trump era, similar to what Trump has tried to do with Obama.
    I'm tellin' ya'! The more I think of it, the more I'm starting to like it!
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    Re: Poll: Bloomberg overtakes Biden in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I'm tellin' ya'! The more I think of it, the more I'm starting to like it!
    I've been given him a second look as of recently as well. I never cared for the guy, but I've never disliked him as much as Trump. Trump has always been the worst kind of scumbag as far back as I remember.

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    Re: Poll: Bloomberg overtakes Biden in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Well yes, Trump catered to his base and especially to the Republican Congress. Initially during the campaign he was marketing by pandering, but then in office as the Mueller Investigation progressed he clung to the (GOP) Right for mere survival! He had no choice, but to keep going deeper & deeper to protect himself from the onslaught.

    I really am starting to like the idea of Bloomberg opening up a more centrist wing of the Dem Party, along with maybe bringing-in some true moderate Conservatives from the middle or even from the GOP. Bloomberg's conservative side is of the old Northeast "Rockefeller Republican" type. I miss that type of moderate & sensible conservatism. We substantially had that as Dems before, with old the J.F.K. Democrats. It's been my hope for years to re-open the Dem Party to the big-tent it once was, where there was inclusion for both liberal and more conservative Dems. I've lamented this here often, in quite a few posts. Who knows? Perhaps Bloomberg may open that door?
    Also want to add, regarding Trump vs Bloomberg, that Trump is a conspiracy theorist of the worst kind. His entire career in GOP politics started because of Birtherism. Bloomberg may be an asshole, but I don't see him pushing the "Deep State", and "everyone who opposes me, is out to get me" nonsense that Trump and his minions regularly push.

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    Re: Poll: Bloomberg overtakes Biden in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    On the other hand, the majority of Americans want more gun control. 64%. Independents support it at 58%. Democrats? 83%. So I'm not sure if supporting gun control will hurt Bloomberg.
    That's a fair point. But remember, Bloomberg is known for his banning handguns. That's a tough bridge for some to cross, and to my mind implies a bridge farther than mere "regulation". Whether voters will differentiate, I don't know.
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    Re: Poll: Bloomberg overtakes Biden in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    To the bolded: Of course I realize & respect our differences. There's no need in the least to mention it, nor doubt any less!



    But as of the last several days, I'm starting to warm up to Bloomberg. Obviously for myself a large component of that is his perceived electability. But as I find-out more about the campaign infrastructure he's quietly built, and I learn more about him such as his truly being a self-made rags-to-riches story, I find that I'm becoming more positively impressed.

    But as you said, "we shall see". I looked hard at Trump early-on in his campaign in the spring of 2016, but soured and changed my mind by mid-summer. His discrediting John McCain's service, and soon after disparaging his Mexican judge, were more than I could stand. We needed a little populism, I believe. But Trump was not the guy to do it. I saw that in his campaign, and stopped there with him.
    What you say about Bloomberg is clearly all true. Perhaps I am bit cynical in my old age,but I just don't see a largw swath of our population being as fair minded as you.

    I also agree Trump was the wrong messenger for the populism message.

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    Re: Poll: Bloomberg overtakes Biden in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    What you say about Bloomberg is clearly all true. Perhaps I am bit cynical in my old age,but I just don't see a largw swath of our population being as fair minded as you.

    I also agree Trump was the wrong messenger for the populism message.
    He was till the glide down the escalator the only one who volunteered his services, and now that he has and now that he stood firm against The Failed Intelligentsia is is hard for me to deny him my vote.

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