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What was up with blackface in the South during the 1980's?

Young people like to do things that get adults all stirred up: devil worship, blackface, getting a weird tattoo or a Mohawk haircut, running naked through the town square on a dare, dressing up as Nazis, etc...

Remember the young Prince Harry when he was photographed dressed up as a Nazi at a party? I can't imagine it's because he was a real Nazi. It was just to be all controversial.

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  1. What is there to do about a hereditary prince's transgressions? It's not as though his royalty can be stripped from him. He can't be impeached or voted out of princehood.
  2. He was 20, which is certainly old enough to have known better; however, he did what he did, he expressed his contrition and he's subsequently demonstrated incontrovertibly that he does not at all cleave to Nazi tenets. He did, after all, marry a Black woman. Of all the things he might have done to credibly refute any notions that he holds Nazist notions, wedding a Black woman isn't one that anyone, not even Black folks, would have demanded; he did that entirely of his own volition. Nobody marries someone to demonstrate they aren't racist against people of their spouse's race/ethnicity.
  3. There are two existential factors in play and that like it or not, one, well, responsible ones, remains ever mindful of:
    • Adornments such as blackface, KKK costumes, swastikas, etc. carry messages, they stand for things, whether the wearer at any given moment thinks so, knows so or intends those message.
    • One is to someone or several/many folks a role/idea model. What one does and say will, by somebody, be thought okay to do too. The more public and prominent one is, the more folks for whom one's words and deeds serve as sanctions.
  4. Harry, even at 20, was a role model for millions. He shouldn't have worn that armband. It was an act of incredibly poor judgment.
  5. What distinguishes Harry from the people who've of late been in the US news is that by his actions, Harry has removed all doubt that may have existed about his harboring Nazist views. (Of course, he also didn't pretend, perhaps by claiming it was his body-double or some other foolishness, it wasn't he who was wearing that getup.)
 
Where did you go to school, and how much time have you spent in the South. This thing with Blackface was clearly not just one school or one state, it was at the very least a thing during some years in multiple southern states, though so far I dont know that anyone other than the elite youth did it. If this is so then your explanation does not cut it, because if it was intended to be anti-black all classes could have been expected to do it. "We are so cool that we can do this and still feel good about ourselves...We are educated elites!" makes more sense than your explanation from what I have seen so far.

And yes, DP has become a very depressing place of late, even people who I respected have turned into slime.

Not you though, you have gone up in my estimation.
I didn't go to school in the South.

Red:
I know only of collegians from socially elite families having done such things.


Blue:
I wouldn't go that far. There's no doubt in my mind that it was in instances intended to be anti-Blacks; however, I'm willing to accept that not all classes of whites used blackface as a vehicle for expressing anti-Black sentiments.


Pink:
I'm confident that "feeling good about themselves" wasn't a factor; impunity, yes, that played a role, but feeling good definitely didn't. They were going to feel good about themselves whether they did or didn't do blackface, or damn near anything else.

The kids I knew -- be they on the outer edges of my circle or further in to the center -- didn't ever not feel good about themselves. Deeds of the sort we're discussing here were done partly to jab at Blacks, partly for the fun of making the jab, and partly because the folks who did it knew they could do it and suffer no immediate and/or material consequences in the wake of doing it.


Tan:
Thank you.
 
I can't speak to the culture and cultural norms of whole segments of the population. What I can say is that UVA is rarefied among state schools. For one thing it doesn't feel like a state school. It's academically quite good, and socially it's very Southern, elite and loaded with exclusivity much as one finds at northern Ivy League schools, particularly Harvard, Yale and Princeton. The school has chapters of KA Order, SAE, St. A's, and St. Elmo's, along with several secret societies, and an entrenched campus-wide socio-political hierarchy; and AFAIK, none of the Greek letter organizations and secret societies (at UVA; things may be different at other schools) admitted or considered admitting non-whites, and, frankly, they were very selective about the white folks they'll consider/admit. To put it another way, back then, UVA and Ole Miss weren't all that different culturally.

In my undergrad years, it wasn't as though everybody did some sort of racially reprehensible thing so overt and extreme as donning blackface (or a KKK robe), but neither was that so uncommon or so scorned that one can say one hadn't seen someone do it and ape/hype African-American stereotypes while dressed that way.

Red:
Props for trying to understand. That's more than many bother to do.

From my own observation, it was about one thing: having fun at the expense of Black folks. It seemed to me the nature of the so-called fun definitely spanned a range of intents -- from mimicking Black stereotypes to which the actor ascribed and getting laughs for doing so, to expressly deriding Blacks -- none of which were laudable or excusable because by that point in one's life, one is supposed to know better than to disrespect other people that way and by reference to vulgar stereotypes.

I grew up in the South. I never wore blackface, certainly not minstrel blackface. I only found out about that later. Yet I am blamed for all the problems in the world by leftists, just because of the white male patriarchy or whatever. Someone please explain how that is right?
 
I grew up in the South. I never wore blackface, certainly not minstrel blackface. I only found out about that later. Yet I am blamed for all the problems in the world by leftists, just because of the white male patriarchy or whatever. Someone please explain how that is right?
Do you routinely, when folks remark about things pertaining to Southerners or some other identity group of which you are a member, think that they are referring specifically to you? Is it common for you to assume credit or blame for things said about others who just happen to have some incidental characteristic in common with you? If so:

Red:
Okaaay....I'm sure nobody asserts that every damn Southerner donned blackface.

You're among the folks who grew up in the South and who didn't. Fine. Good for you. What do you want...a prize or something? Will a button do?

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Blue:
Well, I suggest then that you take up the matter with the folks who blamed you. Until you quoted my post, I had no idea you even exist.
 
Do you routinely, when folks remark about things pertaining to Southerners or some other identity group of which you are a member, think that they are referring specifically to you? Is it common for you to assume credit or blame for things said about others who just happen to have some incidental characteristic in common with you? If so:

Red:
Okaaay....I'm sure nobody asserts that every damn Southerner donned blackface.

You're among the folks who grew up in the South and who didn't. Fine. Good for you. What do you want...a prize or something? Will a button do?

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Blue:
Well, I suggest then that you take up the matter with the folks who blamed you. Until you quoted my post, I had no idea you even exist.

More of a drunken post than anything, I find it difficult to keep up with the existing blackface scandal threatening 2 democrats for blackface and an obvious rapist
 
More of a drunken post than anything, I find it difficult to keep up with the existing blackface scandal threatening 2 democrats for blackface and an obvious rapist

Red:
Okay.

Please, however, don't quote my posts when you're drunk. I promise I will do the same with regard to your posts.
 
I saw several white kids dressed as Black Panther during Halloween. None were wearing black face.

Several young black girls came to my door dressed as Elsa, Ariel and Anna. None of them wore white face. Neither did the black boys dressed as super-heroes.
 
Red:
Okay.

Please, however, don't quote my posts when you're drunk. I promise I will do the same with regard to your posts.

You can quote me, but yes, I do drink.
 
You can quote me, but yes, I do drink.

I have no issue with you quoting me -- and if the time comes that I do, I can manage that on my own -- I just ask that you not do so while you're drunk. That'll save us both some time.
 
Louisiana House of Representatives candidate Robbie Gattie dressed like Tiger Woods for a church event
South Carolina county council candidate Brant Tomlinson dressed like a Jamaican bobsledder for a Halloween party
Former Florida Secretary of State Mike Ertel, as a Hurricane Katrina victim at a Halloween party
Illinois state Senate candidate Hal Patton dressed up as a black football player
Florida state Rep. Anthony Sabatini, who dressed up as his best friend
New York state Assemblyman Dov Hikind, who dressed like a "black basketball player" for a Jewish holiday
Actor Ted Danson, while roasting then-girlfriend Whoopi Goldberg and repeatedly using the N-word
Actor C. Thomas Howell, in the 1986 film "Soul Man"
Actress and singer Julianne Hough dressed as the character Crazy Eyes from "Orange is the New Black"
Actor Billy Crystal, as the late Sammy Davis Jr. on "Saturday Night Live" and at the 2012 Oscars
Jimmy Kimmel, dressed as Karl Malone on "The Man Show"
Jimmy Fallon, as Chris Rock on "Saturday Night Live"
Paula Deen and her son, dressed as Lucy and Ricky Ricardo from "I Love Lucy"
Robert Downey Jr., in the movie "Tropic Thunder"
Gene Wilder, in shoe polish in "Silver Streak"
Talk show host Megyn Kelly, who asked on her show "what is racist" about blackface
Drake, who was revealed to have posed in blackface when Pusha T used the photo as cover art for his single
Spanish soccer player Andrés Iniesta, who tweeted a picture of himself posing with two people in blackface
French soccer player Antoine Griezmann, who wore blackface as part of a costume for a 1980s themed party
Joni Mitchell, who appeared in blackface on the cover of her 1977 album "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter"

All these famous people, many democrats have won black face as a costume or a "joke". Why now is it such a big deal?
 
I have no issue with you quoting me -- and if the time comes that I do, I can manage that on my own -- I just ask that you not do so while you're drunk. That'll save us both some time.

Drinking and drunk are two different things. As for quoting you, I simply don't know why I would even bother.
 
Drinking and drunk are two different things. As for quoting you, I simply don't know why I would even bother.

Red:
Drinking and drunk are different things; however, you attested to having been drink when you replied to my comments:

More of a drunken post than anything, I find it difficult to keep up with the existing blackface scandal threatening 2 democrats for blackface and an obvious rapist


Blue:
I don't either, and yet you've done so four times in this thread.
  • Post 28
  • Post 30 (quoted above; it's the post in which you attested to having been drunk when you replied to my remarks)
  • Post 33
  • Post 36 (your post that I've quoted at the very start of this post)
 
Red:
Drinking and drunk are different things; however, you attested to having been drink when you replied to my comments:



Blue:
I don't either, and yet you've done so four times in this thread.
  • Post 28
  • Post 30 (quoted above; it's the post in which you attested to having been drunk when you replied to my remarks)
  • Post 33
  • Post 36 (your post that I've quoted at the very start of this post)

I am drinking right now. Does it bother you so?
 
Red:
Drinking and drunk are different things; however, you attested to having been drink when you replied to my comments:



Blue:
I don't either, and yet you've done so four times in this thread.
  • Post 28
  • Post 30 (quoted above; it's the post in which you attested to having been drunk when you replied to my remarks)
  • Post 33
  • Post 36 (your post that I've quoted at the very start of this post)

Are you buy chance related to George Warleggins?
 
I am drinking right now. Does it bother you so?

No. As I told you in an earlier post, I have a way to deal with your drunkenly quoting me. I'm implementing that tactic now. Ciao.
 
Maybe 70's as well, it was clearly a thing in some places, the University for sure. Was this edgy fun like a Pimps and Hoes party? I never saw any blackface and never heard anyone talking about blackface that I can recall, nor can I imagine any of the people that I hung with being interested in that, so I am trying to understand what this was all about.

Pimps and Hoes parties I certainly saw, one has to wonder if photos of people taking part with be next evidence of lack of purity used to ruin people.

First of all, its the South circa 1970/80. Every college age kid at the time was a product of a culture that was forced to abandon Jim Crow by the federal government. Secondly, college kids do stupid stuff in any era. Lastly, these kids were very likely to be upper class kids who where treated very specially their whole lives, it does not surprise me they would make fun of black people who were beneath them in status.

Sorry, I meant to reply to the top post not your post.
 
First of all, its the South circa 1970/80. Every college age kid at the time was a product of a culture that was forced to abandon Jim Crow by the federal government. Secondly, college kids do stupid stuff in any era. Lastly, these kids were very likely to be upper class kids who where treated very specially their whole lives, it does not surprise me they would make fun of black people who were beneath them in status.

Sorry, I meant to reply to the top post not your post.

Well considering that I am the one who started this thread, that I am the one who cares...

So far this looks to me like it was all upper class kids. I was during the 70's and 80's in the midwest except for the very end when I was first in Monterey and then Munchen so admittedly I was not in the South but this looks like edgy fun to me, I doubt that there was much if any animosity towards blacks or towards their historical suffering....I am basing this off how people were back then so much as I remember.
 
I'm a bit confused about people putting on blackface to look like Michael Jackson. Shouldn't they be putting on whiteface to look like Michael Jackson?
 
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