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    Re: Alabama Sen. Shelby: 'I couldn't vote for Roy Moore'

    Quote Originally Posted by NeverTrumpGOP View Post
    Alabama's senior member of Congress comes out against Roy Moore. He didn't have to. He chose to do this.

    He said:

    Alabama Sen. Shelby: 'I couldn't vote for Roy Moore' - CNNPolitics
    And... so what? Vote for a Democrat who's going to support policies that harm nearly most of the country?
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    Re: Alabama Sen. Shelby: 'I couldn't vote for Roy Moore'

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And... so what? Vote for a Democrat who's going to support policies that harm nearly most of the country?
    He said he wrote in a candidate.
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    Re: Alabama Sen. Shelby: 'I couldn't vote for Roy Moore'

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And... so what? Vote for a Democrat who's going to support policies that harm nearly most of the country?
    So you want to vote for Moore in order to preserve the GOP's power in Washington?

    A wise Man once said, "What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world, but loses his soul?" There is always a time and place to demand honor and integrity - this is one of them. I only wish that y'all had demanded honor and integrity before choosing a guy who repeatedly and publicly took the word of the ex-KGB colonel in the Kremlin over that of our CIA, NSA, and FBI.
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    Re: Alabama Sen. Shelby: 'I couldn't vote for Roy Moore'

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Well before you can run the vermin out you should patch the hole they got in through...

    Keeping another child molester out of Congress is a good start, once that is done then you can start running off the others. (Makes no sense to allow more vermin in if you are serious about keeping your eggs.

    Now it seems Trump doesn't want to drain the swamp, just turn it into a cesspool...

    A cynical man might think the GOP is hoping for a Moore win, then remove him from office and allow the GOP Governor to appoint a new, more moral person.

    If you was to be that cynical...
    That logic doesn't follow. If the Senate was as concerned as they're pretending to be they'd have ethics committees ages ago investigating all these people who paid out to victims. Otherwise it screams of hypocrisy from everyone in the Senate. And as I contended earlier; the people of Alabama see Moore's problems and decided to elect him anyway. What about all those other people in the Senate right now that don't have to face their voters with accusations and just hide while keeping things under wraps? And btw, all at tax-payer expense. There is no proof of Moore doing anything wrong but payouts show wrong-doing.
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    Re: Alabama Sen. Shelby: 'I couldn't vote for Roy Moore'

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And... so what? Vote for a Democrat who's going to support policies that harm nearly most of the country?
    Shelby was a democrat at one point.... until he switche parties
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    Re: Alabama Sen. Shelby: 'I couldn't vote for Roy Moore'

    Quote Originally Posted by NeverTrumpGOP View Post
    Alabama's senior member of Congress comes out against Roy Moore. He didn't have to. He chose to do this.

    He said:

    Alabama Sen. Shelby: 'I couldn't vote for Roy Moore' - CNNPolitics
    I've been harsh on Shelby before for a variety of issues (having him as my Senator has been annoying on a number of occasions); but this was well done.

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    Re: Alabama Sen. Shelby: 'I couldn't vote for Roy Moore'

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And... so what? Vote for a Democrat who's going to support policies that harm nearly most of the country?
    What if I told you.....




    ....you didn't have to vote for either of the Major parties...

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    Re: Alabama Sen. Shelby: 'I couldn't vote for Roy Moore'

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    No, I never said that Reagan "got in at the time the USSR was falling apart". I would never have said that - did I mistype something?
    My bad, I misread this:

    and he got us through it to the point where the USSR was falling apart by the time he left office...

    Personally, I've always viewed the USSR's loss in Afghanistan as the beginning of the end.

    That being said, the fall of a great empire is a very dangerous time indeed - most don't go gently into that good night. Reagan (and Bush 41 and Gorbachev) held the line in the relatively sudden decline in the last few years of the USSR...but I still give the lion's share of the credit to Reagan, for if he hadn't shown a greatly-increased American military power combined with a solid bloc of American political will, the USSR may well have attacked. Of course we'll never know for sure, but I won't gripe...and I'll continue to give the credit to Reagan for getting us through those most dangerous years.
    Empires often go out in a whimper. The greatest empire in history, Rome, did just that. Now, I am not saying Reagan did not do his part, but I just see the fall of the USSR as more to do with internal issues and Gorbachev's reforms than anything he did. The USSR was on its way out with or without him.

    But I won't derail the thread any longer. We'll have to just agree to disagree, and more often than not you and I agree. Just one of those things in history that always bugged me
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    Re: Alabama Sen. Shelby: 'I couldn't vote for Roy Moore'

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    That is a stretch. The USSR did not collapse until George HW Bush was president..
    I know the USSR collapsed under Bush. When I said "falling apart" I meant the beginning of its collapse.


    And while i would not give Reagan all of the credit he certainly does deserve a larger share of the credit then anyone else.
    I suppose if one were to give a US president credit over the USSR's collapse one could give it to Reagan, but as I said to Glen, I see the collapse as more internal than anything any US president did.
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    Re: Alabama Sen. Shelby: 'I couldn't vote for Roy Moore'

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I know the USSR collapsed under Bush. When I said "falling apart" I meant the beginning of its collapse.




    I suppose if one were to give a US president credit over the USSR's collapse one could give it to Reagan, but as I said to Glen, I see the collapse as more internal than anything any US president did.
    But telling the story that way does not let us be full of ourselves.
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