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Moore wins in landslide!

Turnout will be the key.

I just hope any Alabama women who have been molested, mistreated or disrespected turn out a.d vote.

This could be Interesting.

If I were running I would be running ads to that effect.
 
He will shoot up in the points now. The ‘yearbook’ accuser has admitted to forgery.......

Roy Moore accuser alters story on yearbook signing, to hold press conference | AL.com

Frankly I hope Moore does win.

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These 4 girls, now women become the poster girls of the DNC. Add Trump to this ticket and there won't be a safe Republican seat across this country going into the 2018 midterm election cycle--:lol:



BTW there is already a thread on this.
 
Yep, that's pretty much how it goes. If you have a hundred women accusing a man of sexual assault and one of the accusers' stories has a hole in it, all the women are lying. Of course, I doubt somehow that Juanita Broaddrick testifying in an affidavit that Clinton didn't rape her had any impact on Republicans' willingness to believe the overall story. For the record, I myself did not use the argument that Broaddrick's contradictions delegitimized the other womens' accusations.

That's a very important point to make. Many of these people being accused have more than a handful of accusers. Just because one of them might have done something that taints their own credibility doesn't mean we can dismiss all of the other women as well. In cases like this the truth is that the women are dismissed because people want to justify voting for their guy regardless of how disgusting of a person he may be.
 
I don't care what she added -- all she had to do was add anything and then try to pass it off as his writing and it becomes forgery.

Reading your posts, I think anything you say in regard to Roy Moore assaulting/raping (statutory)/stalking and grooming high school girls to sleep with them can be edited to "I don't care." It's not possible to have meaningful discourse with a person who misrepresents their viewpoint. It's so clear that you just don't care about anything other than Roy Moore winning. Do you know his history of lying, cheating, taking millions of dollars meant for his charity, violating court orders, being removed from office, and ethics violations?

If I underlined a part of your quote would that be forgery? According to your definition, yes. That's absurd.
 
Moore's signature was not forged. Why was he signing the HS yearbooks of young girls?

She probably went to his office and got the signature. That seems most likely since she had to write a date and place to try and back up her story. Fact is -- she's toast as far as credibility goes, and her own stepson says she's lying. She's also filed false charges before so this kind of scam is right up her alley.
 
Reading your posts, I think anything you say in regard to Roy Moore assaulting/raping (statutory)/stalking and grooming high school girls to sleep with them can be edited to "I don't care." It's not possible to have meaningful discourse with a person who misrepresents their viewpoint. It's so clear that you just don't care about anything other than Roy Moore winning. Do you know his history of lying, cheating, taking millions of dollars meant for his charity, violating court orders, being removed from office, and ethics violations?

If I underlined a part of your quote would that be forgery? According to your definition, yes. That's absurd.

If he was a rapist, I would care. But, there's not a shred of evidence that he is.

What I'm seeing from you is complete and total belief in the stories of the accusers -- even though those stories don't rise to the level of rape, and now, two of them have been debunked.

I find this entire thing to be highly suspicious, so why in the world would I sign on?

A better question -- why would you?
 
If he was a rapist, I would care. But, there's not a shred of evidence that he is.

What I'm seeing from you is complete and total belief in the stories of the accusers -- even though those stories don't rise to the level of rape, and now, two of them have been debunked.

I find this entire thing to be highly suspicious, so why in the world would I sign on?

A better question -- why would you?

I listed everything I loathe about the horrendous human being named Roy Moore. You didn't respond to any of that, which is the whole point. This guy has been an awful human being for the entirety of his life. He took a million dollars from his own charity and is hailed as a great Christian. You want a guy in congress who will steal your money for himself? Have fun. And do I think that a few dozen people, Roy Moore included, say he preyed on teenage girls in his mid 30s is credible? Well, yeah, I think it's credible.
 
It boggles my mind why people like this man.

The election is bigger then Moore. the majority of voters whether they believe the accusations or not(most do not), they have no intention of electing a liberal democrat to that seat. Their intention is to elect more and then if it turns out that there is anything to the accuastions and Moore is expelled, the republican governor will appoint a republican to fill the seat until the next election. Works for me.
 
I listed everything I loathe about the horrendous human being named Roy Moore. You didn't respond to any of that, which is the whole point. This guy has been an awful human being for the entirety of his life. He took a million dollars from his own charity and is hailed as a great Christian. You want a guy in congress who will steal your money for himself? Have fun. And do I think that a few dozen people, Roy Moore included, say he preyed on teenage girls in his mid 30s is credible? Well, yeah, I think it's credible.

I wasn't ignoring what you said, but in my experience when folks lump a bunch of accusations together like that -- without putting them in context, they're not interested in honest debate -- only in painting with a broad brush.

Yes, I know Moore was brought up on ethics charges, and as a result, dismissed. That's still being appealed and there is action against the JIC for the automatic dismissal feature when a judge comes under ethics investigations. As far as Moore taking "millions" from charity, that's not quite accurate. He and his wife were paid just over $1million for 9 years of working with the charity -- that comes out to just about $115,000 per year, which is not out of the ordinary for overseeing a charity. The violating court order had to do with telling magistrates not to issue marriage licenses to gay couples. You'll have to tell me about the lying and cheating part.

Here's the deal -- I support same-sex marriage but I also support religious freedom. The people who are backing Moore are voting because he holds the same ideas they do -- don't you get that?

Just yesterday, Politifact determined that Doug Jones, his opponent, was lying about Moore's history on the bench.

So, we have a liar that's willing to make up stories to win, running against a far-right conservative whose been accused of sexual impropriety that supposedly happened more than 30 years ago.

Jones, the liar, is extremely pro-choice, more than most candidates. Alabamans are mostly pro-life, so when you take the two candidates and put them side by side, their mistakes pale in the face of what kind of policies they might enact.

Do you really think Alabama voters are going to switch their entire mindsets (and religious beliefs) to support a man who is pro-choice virtually up to the moment of birth? It's not going to happen. Wake up and smell the dog crap.

Moore's ethics charges stem from him defending his staunch beliefs -- that's going to make his base like him more - not less. And at least two of his accusers in the recent drama have been debunked.

Then, you come along and write something misleading like Moore took millions from charity, and you wonder why I don't address it.

Unbelievable.
 
He will shoot up in the points now. The ‘yearbook’ accuser has admitted to forgery.......

Roy Moore accuser alters story on yearbook signing, to hold press conference | AL.com

That's like saying that a check that I wrote to you is a "forgery" because you added a comment in the Memo Field. The young woman added the date and place to the inscription that Moore actually wrote and signed. Adding something else doesn't negate what was already written in Moore's own hand -- except to those that are looking for any excuse to give a pass to a pedophile.

The operative fact is that Moore knew the girl and it substantiates her claim of molestation.
 
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I wasn't ignoring what you said, but in my experience when folks lump a bunch of accusations together like that -- without putting them in context, they're not interested in honest debate -- only in painting with a broad brush.

Yes, I know Moore was brought up on ethics charges, and as a result, dismissed. That's still being appealed and there is action against the JIC for the automatic dismissal feature when a judge comes under ethics investigations. As far as Moore taking "millions" from charity, that's not quite accurate. He and his wife were paid just over $1million for 9 years of working with the charity -- that comes out to just about $115,000 per year, which is not out of the ordinary for overseeing a charity. The violating court order had to do with telling magistrates not to issue marriage licenses to gay couples. You'll have to tell me about the lying and cheating part.

Here's the deal -- I support same-sex marriage but I also support religious freedom. The people who are backing Moore are voting because he holds the same ideas they do -- don't you get that?

Just yesterday, Politifact determined that Doug Jones, his opponent, was lying about Moore's history on the bench.

So, we have a liar that's willing to make up stories to win, running against a far-right conservative whose been accused of sexual impropriety that supposedly happened more than 30 years ago.

Jones, the liar, is extremely pro-choice, more than most candidates. Alabamans are mostly pro-life, so when you take the two candidates and put them side by side, their mistakes pale in the face of what kind of policies they might enact.

Do you really think Alabama voters are going to switch their entire mindsets (and religious beliefs) to support a man who is pro-choice virtually up to the moment of birth? It's not going to happen. Wake up and smell the dog crap.

Moore's ethics charges stem from him defending his staunch beliefs -- that's going to make his base like him more - not less. And at least two of his accusers in the recent drama have been debunked.

Then, you come along and write something misleading like Moore took millions from charity, and you wonder why I don't address it.

Unbelievable.

Your facts are a little rosy. Moore took in a million dollars over 5 years and didn't report half of it until the building purchased by the charity's donors required the charity to take out a mortgage and give a note to Moore promising to pay him over half a million dollars when they could. And it's $160,000 a year in salary for his wife plus a million that Moore made in 5 years. That's so Christian of them, making more than almost anybody on this forum by running a Christian charity. Definitely what Jesus would do.

Speaking of the politifact scorecard, they've rated four claims of Moore, 2 were half true and the other two were lies. So by your own source, Moore is a liar. "There are communities under Sharia Law in our country," he said. Nice touch of xenophobia. Anyway, he says he doesn't know his accusers. Politifact may not rate that, but I'd give it "pants on fire."

People in Alabama are pretty religious. I think making a living off of a charity isn't very Christian.

And Moore does not support late term abortion unless it endangers the life of a mother. He said it in those words. He has the same views on abortion as the current law has. That's not radical. It's just liberal. But you're right. Roy Moore is just the right kind of slimy scumbag snake oil salesman who can hide behind the Christian values he's been living in contrast to since he was a young man that can win over people who live by that wonderful mantra that makes it so they don't have to use their brain: "he's a Republican."
 
THis special election will be 100% dependent on turnout. For some reason, I suspect R turnout to be lukewarm. Hopefully D's show up in bunches.
 
Your facts are a little rosy. Moore took in a million dollars over 5 years and didn't report half of it until the building purchased by the charity's donors required the charity to take out a mortgage and give a note to Moore promising to pay him over half a million dollars when they could. And it's $160,000 a year in salary for his wife plus a million that Moore made in 5 years. That's so Christian of them, making more than almost anybody on this forum by running a Christian charity. Definitely what Jesus would do.

So, he's not a socialist -- that's probably why he has a following. Do you have any idea what charity heads typically earn? More than that, if they're good. The money is nothing -- and he didn't do anything illegal with it either. No charges against him. As far as being Christian, that's also probably why he has a following. His religion irks me -- but I'm not going to condemn him for it.

Speaking of the politifact scorecard, they've rated four claims of Moore, 2 were half true and the other two were lies. So by your own source, Moore is a liar. "There are communities under Sharia Law in our country," he said. Nice touch of xenophobia. Anyway, he says he doesn't know his accusers. Politifact may not rate that, but I'd give it "pants on fire."

You might want to read that again. They weren't ranking Moore on lies -- they were ranking Jones on lies. And yes, his comment on Sharia was xenophobic (actually, it was ethnocentric), yet your Christian comments were in the same vein.

People in Alabama are pretty religious. I think making a living off of a charity isn't very Christian.

You've shown that you know very little about how charities are set up, so that doesn't surprise me in the least.

And Moore does not support late term abortion unless it endangers the life of a mother. He said it in those words. He has the same views on abortion as the current law has. That's not radical. It's just liberal. But you're right. Roy Moore is just the right kind of slimy scumbag snake oil salesman who can hide behind the Christian values he's been living in contrast to since he was a young man that can win over people who live by that wonderful mantra that makes it so they don't have to use their brain: "he's a Republican."

I think you mean, "Jones" not Moore, and you're incorrect about his personal beliefs. He's stated that he thinks the law is just about right , that part is correct, which is his way of giving them assurances that he won't try to change it, but what he really said was:

"I fully support a woman's freedom to choose what happens to her own body. That is an intensely, intensely personal decision that only she, in consultation with her god, her doctor, her partner or family, that's her choice," Jones told AL.com this month.

"Having said that, the law for decades has been that late-term procedures are generally restricted except in the case of medical necessity," he said. "That's what I support. I don't see any changes in that. It is a personal decision."
Where Doug Jones stands on the issues - CNNPolitics

So, he's not (according to him) going to make waves, but be aware that medical necessity is different from the life of the mother. However, the voters know he is very prochoice, and they may not believe that he won't make waves. And, he's been caught lying by Politifact, so we know he's open to being dishonest. My feelings are that they simply don't trust him to keep his word. Beyond that, they also want to restrict abortions further, so Jones isn't going to be their guy.

So you see, what this really is coming down to is a lot of finger-pointing and accusations, some of which have already been debunked. Your argument -- the one you presented here -- is unlikely to make much of a impact on Alabama voters for the reasons I said.

Who knows? Maybe they'll vote for Jones, but I kind of doubt it. They simply don't like what Jones brings to the table. And, in the long run, that's what's more important than whether someone is making decades-old accusations of impropriety.
 
THis special election will be 100% dependent on turnout. For some reason, I suspect R turnout to be lukewarm. Hopefully D's show up in bunches.

You could be right but I kind of doubt it. They said the same thing about last year's presidential election, but then had a record turnout.

With the recent news about the one accuser doctoring the yearbook, and the mall supervisor denying he said anything about Moore, and the yearbook accuser's stepson claiming she's lying, that's enough to make it look as if Moore is being unfairly targeted by a witch-hunt. He's claiming his treatment at the hands of the media has been unfair (very much like what Trump claimed) and that tends to bring defenders out of the woodwork.

If history is any indicator, it'll be a large turnout and Moore will sweep it.

But, I could be wrong.
 
You could be right but I kind of doubt it. They said the same thing about last year's presidential election, but then had a record turnout.

With the recent news about the one accuser doctoring the yearbook, and the mall supervisor denying he said anything about Moore, and the yearbook accuser's stepson claiming she's lying, that's enough to make it look as if Moore is being unfairly targeted by a witch-hunt. He's claiming his treatment at the hands of the media has been unfair (very much like what Trump claimed) and that tends to bring defenders out of the woodwork.

If history is any indicator, it'll be a large turnout and Moore will sweep it.

But, I could be wrong.

It's Bama. They are fine with pols who support slavery and love the Bannon Wing of crazy.
 
It's Bama. They are fine with pols who support slavery and love the Bannon Wing of crazy.

I don't think they're fine with slavery -- but they are pretty far to the Right. It's a result of the staunch religious beliefs in the area. But, trashing them for their beliefs is no different than trashing Muslims for their beliefs. Just flip sides of the same coin.
 
I don't think they're fine with slavery -- but they are pretty far to the Right. It's a result of the staunch religious beliefs in the area. But, trashing them for their beliefs is no different than trashing Muslims for their beliefs. Just flip sides of the same coin.

I sort of hope he wins. The backlash in the normal states will be severe come November.

One reason I'm an equal opportunity religion-basher is because, once you get to the extremes like we see in those Christians and Muslims, they really are the same. We can add to the list extremist Jews, Mormons, JW's, Scientologists, etc., btw.
 
I sort of hope he wins. The backlash in the normal states will be severe come November.

Maybe, but the dems haven't seemed to be able to rally anything in the past couple of years. They will eventually, I'm sure, the political pendulum swings both ways, but I'm not sure they'll be ready by next November unless something changes drastically.

One reason I'm an equal opportunity religion-basher is because, once you get to the extremes like we see in those Christians and Muslims, they really are the same. We can add to the list extremist Jews, Mormons, JW's, Scientologists, etc., btw.

Extremism is, of course, the downfall of any religion, but unless they actually are harming someone, I prefer to let them be. As long as they let me be. I do believe things like the estimated half-a-million females that have either been subjected to female genital mutilation (FGM) or are at risk of it, should make us sit up and take notice, since those are little girls who are being cut, but I don't really think we need to involve ourselves in cases, such as the FLDS, where the authorities took children away from their mothers, only to have to give them all back by law. We need to pick and choose our battles better, imho. I don't care about Moore's supporters because they have no teeth -- no way to affect me or others negatively -- so I'm happy to let them believe as they see fit.
 
Maybe, but the dems haven't seemed to be able to rally anything in the past couple of years. They will eventually, I'm sure, the political pendulum swings both ways, but I'm not sure they'll be ready by next November unless something changes drastically.



Extremism is, of course, the downfall of any religion, but unless they actually are harming someone, I prefer to let them be. As long as they let me be. I do believe things like the estimated half-a-million females that have either been subjected to female genital mutilation (FGM) or are at risk of it, should make us sit up and take notice, since those are little girls who are being cut, but I don't really think we need to involve ourselves in cases, such as the FLDS, where the authorities took children away from their mothers, only to have to give them all back by law. We need to pick and choose our battles better, imho. I don't care about Moore's supporters because they have no teeth -- no way to affect me or others negatively -- so I'm happy to let them believe as they see fit.

I'd rather see my country shun religion than embrace it. So, I guess I feel differently. What you consider harmless, I see as a threat.
 
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