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Moore wins in landslide!

Cardinal said:
Okay, well, if she never claimed he wrote it, then it's not forgery. It would also be kind of a weird "forgery" to write the notes in a completely different handwriting, one which never even attempted to write in cursive. You're jumping the gun on the "forgery" claim.
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Ehhh... ok, perhaps not forgery, but it's still bad for the overall situation isn't it?

I suppose there are some instances where maybe it's not so bad to let someone else continue with an incorrect assumption they've made about you, but I'm really pissed that she would let this go on. I mean, if you're going to come forward with this, you obviously want people to know about what Moore did. Why sabotage the entire effort by letting people run with something like this? Why not just say "no, no, he really did sign it ...but the rest are my um..'notes'"?

The problem is that now the smug defenders have something to point to. Even if it doesn't honestly resolve the matter, they can point to it. And it is a rather unfortunate human predilection to latch onto something like that and dismissing everything of like kind, even if it's not logical.

Granted, there are a lot of people who don't care either way since they were prepared to vote for him even if it was 100% true. What of people on the fence? Perhaps, the less-than-entirely-bright people on the fence?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
And now we have Moore not only saying that America was last great when black people could be owned and bought/sold as property, but that 'maybe Putin was right'.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/12/08/roy-moore-slams-america-maybe-putin-is-right/23301524/
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It’s apparent that nothing Moore says matters to the abundant number of political prodigy voters in Alabama. Moore believes that he owns the voters. Putin believes that submissive voters are good voters. No doubt Moore would agree with Putin. And Jesus will reward them in the next life for voting for Moore. It’s true, just ask Moore.
 
Cardinal said:
Just out of curiosity, did she claim it was his handwriting -- that he wrote all of it?
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Kinda like what is the definition of is? She just got caught! That is why they would not let handwriting experts look at it.
 
Cardinal said:
Yep, that's pretty much how it goes. If you have a hundred women accusing a man of sexual assault and one of the accusers' stories has a hole in it, all the women are lying. Of course, I doubt somehow that Juanita Broaddrick testifying in an affidavit that Clinton didn't rape her had any impact on Republicans' willingness to believe the overall story. For the record, I myself did not use the argument that Broaddrick's contradictions delegitimized the other womens' accusations.
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I don't see where Miss Nelson admits that the year book is a forgery. She admits to adding the date and place not that the signature is a forgery . Was that stupid if she did do that? Yes but not deceptive since she admitted that she did do that without any inquiry forcing her to make this admission. Shows honesty. The fact that there are two women with identical signatures tells the real story. Believe what you want, but he's a perverted pedophile. It would be such a sad commentary on the really good folks from Alabama if they elect Moore just because they don't want those smart ass yankees telling them what to do. That might just be the way the good folks from Alabama sees it, and that might have some truth to it, but do you really want to turn a blind eye to a pedophile and have him represent Alabama just because you don't want a yankee telling you what to do? Your way better than that. Don't let that happen.
 
Mr Person said:
Ehhh... ok, perhaps not forgery, but it's still bad for the overall situation isn't it?

I suppose there are some instances where maybe it's not so bad to let someone else continue with an incorrect assumption they've made about you, but I'm really pissed that she would let this go on. I mean, if you're going to come forward with this, you obviously want people to know about what Moore did. Why sabotage the entire effort by letting people run with something like this? Why not just say "no, no, he really did sign it ...but the rest are my um..'notes'"?

The problem is that now the smug defenders have something to point to. Even if it doesn't honestly resolve the matter, they can point to it. And it is a rather unfortunate human predilection to latch onto something like that and dismissing everything of like kind, even if it's not logical.

Granted, there are a lot of people who don't care either way since they were prepared to vote for him even if it was 100% true. What of people on the fence? Perhaps, the less-than-entirely-bright people on the fence?
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I really don't see how it affects the credibility of the central claim. The signature is still his, and there was no effort to make the notes in his own handwriting. This is as much a serious issue as the revelation that there are registered democrats on Mueller's team. Also, moore's defenders aren't particularly interested in valid reasons for defending him.
 
Cardinal said:
I really don't see how it affects the credibility of the central claim. The signature is still his, and there was no effort to make the notes in his own handwriting. This is as much a serious issue as the revelation that there are registered democrats on Mueller's team. Also, moore's defenders aren't particularly interested in valid reasons for defending him.
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The point wasn't so much the actual logical weight of the revelation, but rather, how people use it.
 
Mr Person said:
The point wasn't so much the actual logical weight of the revelation, but rather, how people use it.
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The people using the revelation don't matter to me because they were perfectly fine with allowing a child molester into their party to begin with. This story didn't change any minds.
 
Your title is misleading.
Their election is not until December 12th.
 
Cardinal said:
The people using the revelation don't matter to me because they were perfectly fine with allowing a child molester into their party to begin with. This story didn't change any minds.
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To the committed folk, yes, but there may be easily duped morons still sitting on the fence. Can't really be certain, of course...
 
Mr Person said:
To the committed folk, yes, but there may be easily duped morons still sitting on the fence. Can't really be certain, of course...
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Those are going to be the same people who discount the accusations because Corfman didn't have her own personal phone in her bedroom. To those people, an illegitimate rebuttal is the same as a legitimate one. Not that the signature issue is legitimate, mind you.
 
Rexedgar said:
He will shoot up in the points now. The ‘yearbook’ accuser has admitted to forgery.......

Roy Moore accuser alters story on yearbook signing, to hold press conference | AL.com
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What interesting to me, since I'm a numbers guy is that before the allegations Moore held an average lead of 10 points depending on the poll. After the allegations came out, Jones took the lead averaging 5 points ahead. But since December began, in the last 5 polls Moore has averaged out to a single point lead. Jones led in two, Moore in three. With a MOE, margin or error of plus or minus 3 points, this means the race is a dead even. I don't foresee a landslide for either candidate.

The accusations caused a fifteen point swing, plus 10 to minus 5. But after time that swing from the accusations has shrunk from 15 down to 10 or there about. Turnout and undecided will be the key. There is 5% of the Alabama electorate still in the undecided column. Which way they go will probably decide who wins.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Forgery is trying to pass off your own writing as someone else's.

She's guilty of forgery.

Had she said from the beginning that she wrote part of it -- that would have been one thing -- but she attempted to deceive and now, her entire accusation is tainted.
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Moore's signature was not forged. Why was he signing the HS yearbooks of young girls?
 
jimbo said:
A few months before the last election we had a poster who stated many times that now President Trump would no way no how win the election. He came off looking like a fool. And Dewey beat Truman. It's never wise to predict elections or horse races before the finish line is reached.
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Attempting to compare Don and Roy with Truman is hilarious.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Attempting to compare Don and Roy with Truman is hilarious.
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I wasn't comparing anybody with anybody. I stated it's unwise to make political predictions before the votes are counted.
 
Cardinal said:
Just out of curiosity, did she claim it was his handwriting -- that he wrote all of it?
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No she was on GMA the other morning pointing out what part he wrote and the note that she added below it.
 
Rexedgar said:
He will shoot up in the points now. The ‘yearbook’ accuser has admitted to forgery.......

Roy Moore accuser alters story on yearbook signing, to hold press conference | AL.com
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No she hasn't. She has just admitted to added notes under the purported yearbook signing.

It is interesting to me that Allred has not named the so-called handwriting expert who said the signature by Moore is authentic and she won't allow a testing of the ink in the yearbook until the Senate holds a hearing re Moore which it cannot do before Moore is seated.
 
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