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Why Would You Even Want the South to Rise Again?

Redress said:
its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.
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DashingAmerican said:
Sure, he was the VP of the CSA and actually, that was definitely a part of the issue between the Confederacy and the Union.
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DashingAmerican said:
I got out of the right-wing not because I ceased believing in liberty, but because being a libertarian above all, I came to see that the right-wing specialized in cloaking its authoritarian and neo-fascist policies in the honeyed words of a libertarian rhetoric.
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Good grief, I see you still are cloaking authoritarian history in libertarian rhetoric
 
ecofarm said:
They don't want slavery, necessarily. They want an aspect of traditional Southern Culture, racism, to rise again. Is there any other aspect of South Culture that has been marginalized? No.

"The South will rise again" is not about secession. It's about cultural dominance.
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It might be and it might not be, but we're still not quite at what I'm trying to get to. Do the states that made up the Confederacy have the infrastructure, money, and general cohesiveness to be a viable union.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Good grief, I see you still are cloaking authoritarian history in libertarian rhetoric
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It wasn't the whole issue, as anyone will tell you, it may have been a majority of it, but a majority is still not a whole, thus it is still a part.

Do you have something to contribute or do you just like arguing semantics?
 
DashingAmerican said:
It might be and it might not be, but we're still not quite at what I'm trying to get to. Do the states that made up the Confederacy have the infrastructure, money, and general cohesiveness to be a viable union.
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They could manage. Why not? It'd be a developed country upon inception.

But I think we should note the phrase refers to cultural dominance (and what cultural dominance, specifically) and not secession.
 
DashingAmerican said:
Living in the South, I see my fair share of Confederate flags and the such.

I've always wondered, though, why would someone even want the south to rise again?
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Why do you think the south needs to rise again? She is risen!
 
ecofarm said:
They could manage. Why not? It'd be a developed country upon inception.

But I think we should note the phrase refers to cultural dominance (and what cultural dominance, specifically) and not secession.
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And I have agreed, as much as I can without having the whole "South Will blah blah" mindset.

I don't necessarily think it ever will, nor do I think that cultural dominance mindset should.
 
DashingAmerican said:
And I have agreed, as much as I can without having the whole "South Will blah blah" mindset.

I don't necessarily think it ever will, nor do I think that cultural dominance mindset should.
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It's about going back to the "good ol' days". I don't think we could find someone using that phrase and wanting secession. Seceding would lessen the cultural dominance, after all; so secession is counter-productive to the spirit of the phrase.
 
DashingAmerican said:
It wasn't the whole issue, as anyone will tell you, it may have been a majority of it, but a majority is still not a whole, thus it is still a part.
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Yer missing the point, the point is yer responses are very hypocritical in regards to your sig, if you can't stand libertarian rhetoric being used to cover authoritarian past policy, well, I just don't know how you can live with yerself as you do exactly that when yer arguing that the Confederate states primary and existential evil, slavery, was really nothing more than "states rights".

Do you have something to contribute or do you just like arguing semantics?
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That hilarious, yer "states rights" cover for slavery is semantics. Yer sig is an argument centered on semantics. It reminds me of something someone once said....

You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Yer missing the point, the point is yer responses are very hypocritical in regards to your sig, if you can't stand libertarian rhetoric being used to cover authoritarian past policy, well, I just don't know how you can live with yerself as you do exactly that when yer arguing that the Confederate states primary and existential evil, slavery, was really nothing more than "states rights".

That hilarious, yer "states rights" cover for slavery is semantics. Yer sig is an argument centered on semantics. It reminds me of something someone once said....

You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."
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Actually, if you care to go back and read, I have already agreed what the civil war was about and, furthermore, have laid out what I want the thread to be about.

Also, when you use your slang like that, it makes you sound ignorant.
 
DashingAmerican said:
Actually, if you care to go back and read, I have already agreed what the civil war was about
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I read it, "states rights...broadly speaking" which is, as I already pointed out, the cloaking of authoritarian policy/history in rhetoric by a libertarian.
and, furthermore, have laid out what I want the thread to be about.
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" this is my thread, and if I say something completely antithetical to my sig, which is a statement of my political realization, and someone points out how hypocritical my statements are....well...Ima gunna whine about this MY THREAD....whaa whaa whaa."

Also, when you use your slang like that, it makes you sound ignorant.
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It is fully intentional, unlike yer hypocrisy....which makes it all so ironic.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I read it, "states rights...broadly speaking" which is, as I already pointed out, the cloaking of authoritarian rhetoric by a libertarian. " this is my thread, and if I say something completely antithetical to my sig, which is a statement of my political realization, and someone points out how hypocritical my statements are....well...Ima gunna whine about this MY THREAD....whaa whaa whaa."


It is fully intentional, unlike yer hypocrisy....which makes it all so ironic.
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So, what you're saying is you have nothing to contribute and you like being an ignoramus.
 
DashingAmerican said:
So, what you're saying is you have nothing to contribute and you like being an ignoramus.
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I've made my point, yer not gunna counter it, instead yer gunna go all ad hom-eny while you "ignore" the point.

Irony...again.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I've made my point, yer not gunna counter it, instead yer gunna go all ad hom-eny while you "ignore" the point.

Irony...again.
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No, you've just tried misconstrue things that have nothing to do with the OP, while intentionally sounding, really I don't know what you're trying to sound like, or why.

If you would like, we could have a discussion about that.
 
DashingAmerican said:
No, you've just tried misconstrue things that have nothing to do with the OP, while intentionally sounding, really I don't know what you're trying to sound like, or why.

If you would like, we could have a discussion about that.
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hey, DA....anything to cloak whut yer not gunna address....its yer party, so stop crying.
 
DashingAmerican said:
Living in the South, I see my fair share of Confederate flags and the such.

I've always wondered, though, why would someone even want the south to rise again?
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I guess it all depends on how you consider "Rising".

If you look at it my way, "The South" is on its way to rising.

Businesses are setting up shop down here in the south to avoid taxation by northern/liberal state policies that place higher tax burdens on them. State populations down here are growing extremely fast, alot of that has to do with people moving from up north down here for work. The economic conditions are beginning to rise up.

That is how I see it.
 
DashingAmerican said:
Because they felt like the federal government was overreaching, but that's not what I'm getting at. What I'm trying to get around to, is why would someone want the Confederate states, as they are now, to secede; would they even be viable?
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If you look at it that way, no.

And as a Southerner, I would NEVER support such an action.
 
ecofarm said:
If you know the South was about slavery, then how can you not know what people mean when they say "the South will rise again"? Isn't that kinda obvious?
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That is how YOU want to think of it.

That isn't how I see it. The south wasn't exactly treated "kindly" during reconstruction. Some of these state economies have YET TO recover.
 
ecofarm said:
They don't want slavery, necessarily. They want an aspect of traditional Southern Culture, racism, to rise again. Is there any other aspect of South Culture that has been marginalized? No.

"The South will rise again" is not about secession. It's about cultural dominance.
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Cultural Independence, sure.

Many southerners want to feel free to keep many of their traditions without persecution from people like yourself. It has little to do with racism, and is more on par with what any group of people want when they are largely prejudiced by others.

You can pretend it doesn't happen, but far too often folks pre-judge anyone from "the south" a certain way. Even our former President made statements that stereotype or look upon southern culture negatively with his "clinging to guns and bibles" comment... Many southerners love firearms and are christians, and didn't deserve to spoke down to like that. Its a cultural thing, no different than "black culture" or "asian culture" or the jackasses you see on Jersey Shore.
 
DashingAmerican said:
Living in the South, I see my fair share of Confederate flags and the such.

I've always wondered, though, why would someone even want the south to rise again?
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To kick their ass a second time, lol.
 
DashingAmerican said:
Sure, the south was about state rights, in the most broad of senses.
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No, the south was about slavery. States rights was a bull**** excuse that they made up to make wanting slavery sound more palatable.
 
DashingAmerican said:
Living in the South, I see my fair share of Confederate flags and the such.

I've always wondered, though, why would someone even want the south to rise again?
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Very few people "want the south to rise again". Even those that have the Confederate flag don't want it. Such is nothing more than a talking point at best. A meme at worst.
 
DashingAmerican said:
Living in the South, I see my fair share of Confederate flags and the such.

I've always wondered, though, why would someone even want the south to rise again?
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You being from Alabama know that it means different things to different people. To most normal people it means pride. Just because they lost the civil war, doesn't make them somehow of lesser value than northerners. Then there are the racists, but there isn't much you can do about that.

I doubt there are many normal people with confederate flags who would agree that slavery is a good thing.

I do disagree with the political Taliban sanitizing history by removing statues, yet refuse to bull dozen the White House, and remove all images of George Washington, the slave owner...
 
chuckiechan said:
You being from Alabama know that it means different things to different people. To most normal people it means pride. Just because they lost the civil war, doesn't make them somehow of lesser value than northerners. Then there are the racists, but there isn't much you can do about that.

I doubt there are many normal people with confederate flags who would agree that slavery is a good thing.

I do disagree with the political Taliban sanitizing history by removing statues, yet refuse to bull dozen the White House, and remove all images of George Washington, the slave owner...
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I'm sure those who want to remove statues and other history would love to Bulldoze the White House with its current occupant still inside if you know what I mean.

The left is quite violent over this Trump stuff right now.
 
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