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Mississippi brings prayer back to schools

Why does this matter to the subject? Guess what, the USA has changed since then. And those sainted founding fathers got one thing right, they made sure their religion wasn't built in to the constitution.

I was responding directly to another poster.

Actually, freedom of religion was built into the Constitution. ;)
 
Absolutely irrelevant to everything. Take a look around you, how 'waspish' is the USA?

Again, I was responding directly to the comment of another poster. The term "WASP" is a pejorative used mostly by you and your ilk. I personally couldn't care less what amount of melanin a person has in their skin. ;)
 
Of course it's unconstitutional. The "libs" you keep citing must be the people who want to read prayers over the intercom and force schoolchildren to listen to them, right? What is the definition of that invented word again?

"Libs" is a typical weak pejorative that comes from people with no rational or logical arguments.
 
We only have freedom of religion, not freedom from it. Get over it.

We need a holiday for Satan's birthday. And, schools should hand out prayer-rugs so that students can bow to the East twice a day to honor Allah. :roll:
 
Again, I was responding directly to the comment of another poster. The term "WASP" is a pejorative used mostly by you and your ilk. I personally couldn't care less what amount of melanin a person has in their skin. ;)

Used as a pejorative by me? Well, I'm about as white as it's possible to be but my ancestors would loudly object to Anglo-Saxon and protestant. Are you WASP?
 
Because all private educational systems have been so successful wherever they've been tried.

Where is that again?

What does that have to do with what I said? And if 'success' is the measure you wish to use, then you cannot possibly support state schooling.
 
Used as a pejorative by me? Well, I'm about as white as it's possible to be but my ancestors would loudly object to Anglo-Saxon and protestant. Are you WASP?

No, I don't believe I have heard you do so. And no, I am a BNASP? A brown non-anglo saxon protestant. :D
 
Oops, sorry I missed it. You can't read Matthew 6 for yourself? Jesus is talking about the hypocrites who purposefully display their "righteousness" for others to see so that they may be regarded as pious. You don't think it's possible to pray sincerely in public?

What I wanted was how Dittohead had it out of context. That's what you said in your drive-by insult.
And you've got it wrong. I posted the context in this thread but I can't be arsed to find and quote it.
 
What I wanted was how Dittohead had it out of context. That's what you said in your drive-by insult.
And you've got it wrong. I posted the context in this thread but I can't be arsed to find and quote it.

It's cool, let's just agree to disagree. I'm not in the mood to argue. I thought I conveyed how it was out of context earlier.
 
Wait till some students ask for this to be piped thru the school.

 
School officials will crap their drawers, parents will be up in arms, and the school policy will suddenly change.
Perhaps. And perhaps that is not a bad thing. It seems to me that two things are happening at the same time, roughly. Prayer is taken out of public and people get more offended by things that should be simply dismissed as an exercise of free speech. Maybe there is a causality here. I was an agnostic or atheist all those years in school and elsewhere in which someone just had to step up and say something about Jesus or whatever. I learned to deal with it. It is no big thing. It is not an endorsement of one ideology or religion over another-it is simply one's person's blatherings that may mean something to some and nothing to others.
 
Mississippi Breaks Ground And Allows Prayer Back In Their Public Schools



I also remember reciting the pledge in school back in the 1950s. I don't remember prayers, however. I remember leading children in the pledge until my retirement in '04. I suspect teachers still are, and the "pledge has been axed" statement is false.

It also requires:


This despite Christ's saying that prayer should be in secret, and not public.

Of course, private prayers have always been and still are allowed. Even public prayers for those who voluntarily come to them are allowed.

And now, in Mississippi, schools may start having mandatory student led prayers.

I wonder what will happen the first time those student led prayer sessions over the intercom invoke the name of Allah?

It will be an interesting spectacle in that state.

I think it's funny people talk about the way things used to be are the same people who like "under god" in the pledge. The pledge when originally written didn't have that phrase. Adding it in the 1950s was controversial as some religious groups felt it was sacrilege and would reduce gods name to something people just said
 
Attention Christians in Mississippi and elsewhere: you are fighting the wrong battle. Do not fight to reintroduce prayer in state schools. Fight the concept of state schools themselves. All education should be private. That way those who wish Christianity to be part of the curriculum can send their kids to such schools. Those who don't can send their kids elsewhere.

As long as private schools are not supported with public funds.
 
What about Muslim prayer time?
What about preventing a Muslim from wearing a hijab, or eliminating pork from the menu of the school cafeteria?

What if a different and highly proselytizing religious group 'invaded' your school?

If private clubs in public schools 'glorified' religion, would there be scuffles among different religions groups?

This is a big can of worms.
 
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What does that have to do with what I said? And if 'success' is the measure you wish to use, then you cannot possibly support state schooling.

Two alternatives: private education, and state schooling. Every modern nation has the latter. If the former is so great, where has it proven successful?
 
Perhaps. And perhaps that is not a bad thing. It seems to me that two things are happening at the same time, roughly. Prayer is taken out of public and people get more offended by things that should be simply dismissed as an exercise of free speech. Maybe there is a causality here. I was an agnostic or atheist all those years in school and elsewhere in which someone just had to step up and say something about Jesus or whatever. I learned to deal with it. It is no big thing. It is not an endorsement of one ideology or religion over another-it is simply one's person's blatherings that may mean something to some and nothing to others.

Student led prayers in public schools during school time are unconstitutional and involve imposing one person's religion on another. It's way beyond someone saying "something about Jesus or whatever."
 
He was warning against the practice of praying for the sake of being well thought of by others.
Praying in public to set an example, particularly for the young, is a good thing.
Jesus himself did it.



Right. Why don't you get on your knees in front of your church 24/7 and set a good example?

:lol:

Don't forget your umbrella.
 
Good grief, if I had a nickel for every out of context Bible quote posted by libs. I'd have a few bucks anyways. :rolleyes:

Still waiting for that context.

Waiting....waiting.....waiting....waiting never going to happen, is it?
 
I think it's funny people talk about the way things used to be are the same people who like "under god" in the pledge. The pledge when originally written didn't have that phrase. Adding it in the 1950s was controversial as some religious groups felt it was sacrilege and would reduce gods name to something people just said

I'm glad the Pledge includes the phrase "under God." It reflects the important role religion has always played in this country.
 
Two alternatives: private education, and state schooling. Every modern nation has the latter. If the former is so great, where has it proven successful?

Because 'every modern nation' does X does not mean X is superior to any other alternative. Private schools in America are quite successful. Are you denying that? If not, then explain why private schooling would suddenly fail in the absence of state schools.
 
Student led prayers in public schools during school time are unconstitutional and involve imposing one person's religion on another. It's way beyond someone saying "something about Jesus or whatever."
Well, of course I disagree. Students lead all kinds of speaking events in public schools. There is no consensus on what is religious and what is not. For the government to dictate what is classified as religion and what is not would be an unconstitutional invasion of government into religion and vice-versa. Jesus was a historical figure that preceded Christianity or a religion, as was Mohammed and Gautama Buddha. The Bible is simply a book like the Koran. Unitarianism, Buddhism, and Juche are normally considered religions without any deity belief. Prayer is defined as simply the earnestly asked request. Should the establishment of the Church of Elvis in Portland, OR mean that Elvis Presley records can not be played in school.

And the war against "prayer" in school (whatever prayer means) is simply some Marcusean social justice attempt to tear down the "privileged". That is why I am starting the Church of Marcuse to make such things unconstitutional.
 
I'm glad the Pledge includes the phrase "under God." It reflects the important role religion has always played in this country.

No one denies religion has played an important role in the country's history, that doesn't mean every single piece of society needs to recite god every day
 
Student led prayers in public schools during school time are unconstitutional and involve imposing one person's religion on another. It's way beyond someone saying "something about Jesus or whatever."
To be perfectly frank, the separation of church and state edict (if one determines the meaning of constitutional as 'founded in The Constitution', is unconstitutional. Look up Madison's writings on the subject of religion in government.
Madison on church and state
Positive Atheism's Big List of James Madison Quotations
 
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