CEO of Apple Claims God made him Gay and that Gay Rights are Comparable to fighting Jim Crow

Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, compared the plight of LGBT Americans with Kristallnacht and Segregation. He's gotten away with this through a shield called Identity Politics. Saying he's a christian, raised Baptist, great reverence, trial of sin, God made him gay, and so on. Tim Cook's most infamous statement was when he said "God’s Greatest Gift To Me" was being gay. Cook claims God made him homosexual in a hope to fuse antithetical camps of identity politics into a shield for his self serving politics. Being a false christian is something I can shrug off, but dragging your religion into politics is a poison on democracy. And comparing gay marriage to Kristallnacht and Segregation is unforgivable.

WarmPotato said:

but dragging your religion into politics is a poison on democracy.

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Christians who tried to stop SSM need to remember this.

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WarmPotato said:

Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, compared the plight of LGBT Americans with Kristallnacht and Segregation. He's gotten away with this through a shield called Identity Politics. Saying he's a christian, raised Baptist, great reverence, trial of sin, God made him gay, and so on. Tim Cook's most infamous statement was when he said "God’s Greatest Gift To Me" was being gay. Cook claims God made him homosexual in a hope to fuse antithetical camps of identity politics into a shield for his self serving politics. Being a false christian is something I can shrug off, but dragging your religion into politics is a poison on democracy. And comparing gay marriage to Kristallnacht and Segregation is unforgivable.

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Preach, brother!

WarmPotato said:

Being a false christian is something I can shrug off, but dragging your religion into politics is a poison on democracy.

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Precisely what you are doing right now, but I suppose you think you get a pass.

The Nazis went after the gays too, just like the Jews and the Gypsies.

WarmPotato said:

Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, compared the plight of LGBT Americans with Kristallnacht and Segregation. He's gotten away with this through a shield called Identity Politics. Saying he's a christian, raised Baptist, great reverence, trial of sin, God made him gay, and so on. Tim Cook's most infamous statement was when he said "God’s Greatest Gift To Me" was being gay. Cook claims God made him homosexual in a hope to fuse antithetical camps of identity politics into a shield for his self serving politics. Being a false christian is something I can shrug off, but dragging your religion into politics is a poison on democracy. And comparing gay marriage to Kristallnacht and Segregation is unforgivable.

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I was about to question some of the statements here when I realised this is just a copy-paste of the video description. Do you have any of your own commentary to add? Maybe look at some of the actual articles first, rather than just relying on a clearly one-sided video.

WarmPotato said:

Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, compared the plight of LGBT Americans with Kristallnacht and Segregation. He's gotten away with this through a shield called Identity Politics. Saying he's a christian, raised Baptist, great reverence, trial of sin, God made him gay, and so on. Tim Cook's most infamous statement was when he said "God’s Greatest Gift To Me" was being gay. Cook claims God made him homosexual in a hope to fuse antithetical camps of identity politics into a shield for his self serving politics. Being a false christian is something I can shrug off, but dragging your religion into politics is a poison on democracy. And comparing gay marriage to Kristallnacht and Segregation is unforgivable.

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I take it you always supported same-sex marriage.

@Checkerboard by that logic nobody can ever debunk anyone.

HonestJoe said:

I was about to question some of the statements here when I realised this is just a copy-paste of the video description. Do you have any of your own commentary to add? Maybe look at some of the actual articles first, rather than just relying on a clearly one-sided video.

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Apple CEO Tim Cook: Banning 'Hate, Division' Is 'Right Thing to Do'; 12-3-2018 - YouTube
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Apple CEO Tim Cook: Banning 'Hate, Division' Is 'Right Thing to Do'
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...2a685dc7f89_story.html?utm_term=.8fdf95805790

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@Checkerboard by that logic nobody can ever debunk anyone.

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What is your opposition to LGBT equality in all areas of life? What could psosibly be taken away of LGBT enjoy equality in all ways to people who w are heterosexual and CIS?

I've just spotted the matching username on the OP and the video so I guess you weren't being lazy, just trying to promote your YouTube video and these are presumably your own words;

WarmPotato said:

Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, compared the plight of LGBT Americans with Kristallnacht...

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Did he? I saw a passing reference to someone being interviewed about Kristallnacht but nothing close to any kind of direct comparison.

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...and Segregation.

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Sure, and I see a perfectly reasonable argument for that comparison, certainly in the way homosexuals have been treated in the past and how some people would like to see them continue to be treated today.

WarmPotato said:

Tim Cook's most infamous statement was when he said "God’s Greatest Gift To Me" was being gay. Cook claims God made him homosexual in a hope to fuse antithetical camps of identity politics into a shield for his self serving politics.

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To be fair he said one of the greatest gifts and put that statement in a specific context. But why couldn't it be that he just really believes that. You might disagree with him (so do I, albeit for entirely different reasons) but that doesn't necessarily make him a "false Christian".

WarmPotato said:

Being a false christian is something I can shrug off, but dragging your religion into politics is a poison on democracy.

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Does that include all of the people who take political positions on the basis of their Christianity (or at least claim to)? If that were the case, Tim Cook would be the least of your problems. Or could it be that it depends on whether you agree with the religion and politics people are combining?

HonestJoe said:

I was about to question some of the statements here when I realised this is just a copy-paste of the video description. Do you have any of your own commentary to add? Maybe look at some of the actual articles first, rather than just relying on a clearly one-sided video.

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He made the video

There was a time when I was adamantly against gay marriage, its become law and I havent noticed any difference in my life...Im an older guy and I admit when I see 2 men kissing I cringe and I have to look away.. I do think that gays have gotten everything they wanted and can there possibly be any more laws written for them and to protect them. Whats left ?

CLAX1911 said:

He made the video

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Yes, I subsequently realised that. We'll just have to see if this was just self promotion or he's actually looking to discuss the topic.

HonestJoe said:

Yes, I subsequently realised that. We'll just have to see if this was just self promotion or he's actually looking to discuss the topic.

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Well it absolutely is self promotion, I'm not sure why that's a bad thing. but he clearly wants to discuss the topic he expressed a lot of opinions on it.

lpast said:

There was a time when I was adamantly against gay marriage, its become law and I havent noticed any difference in my life...Im an older guy and I admit when I see 2 men kissing I cringe and I have to look away.. I do think that gays have gotten everything they wanted and can there possibly be any more laws written for them and to protect them. Whats left ?

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Cook suggesting that gay people are facing anything remotely close to segregation is absurd. I understand why people evoke the civil rights era in reference to any form of bigotry. But that's the only similarity.

As far as laws go, I'm not sure there sould be any more.

CLAX1911 said:

Cook suggesting that gay people are facing anything remotely close to segregation is absurd. I understand why people evoke the civil rights era in reference to any form of bigotry. But that's the only similarity.

As far as laws go, I'm not sure there sould be any more.

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There are jobs that they can not get, there are schools that they can not attend. I expect homes they can not rent as well. So there are still areas in which they are discriminated against. But as most are due to religion, it makes for a thorny issue

Lord Tammerlain said:

There are jobs that they can not get, there are schools that they can not attend. I expect homes they can not rent as well. So there are still areas in which they are discriminated against. But as most are due to religion, it makes for a thorny issue

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Edit: the jobs I know of seem to be exclusively for religious organizations. But this year the supreme court case a decision on discrimination against people in the basis of sexual orientation.
Well sure, private schools that are religious wouldn't let them attend, I know a woman that was kicked out of a bassist University for saying another woman. Not sure about renting homes, I'm not sure it's illegal to discriminate against people on the bases of sexual orientation. If you are renting your house it seems you can be as picky as you want. I've seen places that only rent to college students, single women, single men, families, so forth.

Lots of people are discriminated against in these areas.

Yes I agree discrimination seems to be justified almost exclusively by religion, but I think that's just an excuse not to confront ones own feelings about it

I have my theories but I'll save them unless you are interested.

wait so you didn't even look up the issue but still defaulted to complaining? If you can't put in the time to learn others' arguments, why should they learn yours?

lpast said:

There was a time when I was adamantly against gay marriage, its become law and I havent noticed any difference in my life...Im an older guy and I admit when I see 2 men kissing I cringe and I have to look away.. I do think that gays have gotten everything they wanted and can there possibly be any more laws written for them and to protect them. Whats left ?

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Workplace protections have been inconsistent.

WarmPotato said:

wait so you didn't even look up the issue but still defaulted to complaining? If you can't put in the time to learn others' arguments, why should they learn yours?

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Did you oppose legalizing same-sex marriage?

WarmPotato said:

Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, compared the plight of LGBT Americans with Kristallnacht and Segregation. He's gotten away with this through a shield called Identity Politics. Saying he's a christian, raised Baptist, great reverence, trial of sin, God made him gay, and so on. Tim Cook's most infamous statement was when he said "God’s Greatest Gift To Me" was being gay. Cook claims God made him homosexual in a hope to fuse antithetical camps of identity politics into a shield for his self serving politics. Being a false christian is something I can shrug off, but dragging your religion into politics is a poison on democracy. And comparing gay marriage to Kristallnacht and Segregation is unforgivable.

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Your video invokes a "No True Scotsman" fallacy. It employs this belief that what you believe as a Christian (or what shoulf be Christian beliefs) is the only thing that can be Christian beliefs.

As for the Holocaust, they identified and took and killed gays.

What is BS is that you are the one making some seriously huge jumps in what he was saying. And you have no idea of history.

Are you even aware that those things actually did happen to gays too? That government officials, like Kim Davis did exactly what she did in NC and other places after the Loving v VA decision and that was deemed, eventually as not allowed? She wasn't a private business woman refusing service. She was a public servant, a government employee refusing government services to citizens. If she couldnt handle serving all citizens equally, she should have stepped down.

Gays were persecuted. They were in fact put in jail for just being gay until 2002 in several states. They were put into mental institutions, forced to endure plenty of horrible treatments to "cure" them. Yet the video maker is claiming they have no right or reason to compare that to segregation?

If the person who made this video really didn't care, they wouldn't have made such a video.

Again gays were treated the same as Jews during the Holocaust so that would mean it applies. Segregation and even government discriminating against gays lasted longer for being gay than race.

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Keep religion out of politics? I have heard many a President say God bless America.

WarmPotato said:

wait so you didn't even look up the issue but still defaulted to complaining? If you can't put in the time to learn others' arguments, why should they learn yours?

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Who and what is this in response to? Why wouldn't you quote who you're responding to?

If you can point out anything other than religion to objective same-sex marriage I would love to hear it.

Maybe I understand your argument perfectly, maybe that's why you didn't quote me.

How would I know you're not explaining.

All the information I can have is what I received from people. People say they object because it's unnatural, 2 with I point out a railroad is unnatural using a device to communicate to people in different places is unnatural.

So that argument is an appeal to nature which is a logical fallacy.

The other argument I hear is that it spreads disease. To wit I respond so does heterosexual sex. Further a person could just some behaviors to greatly decreased the risk of spreading diseases without changing their sexual orientation.

So that argument is mistaking correlation for causation.

You haven't presented it position I can't listen to what isn't presented. This is a forum for discussion of ideas so let's hear it.

as far as the CEO of Apple keeps being obtuse in certain ways. I don't think LGBT people in the US have faced anything like Jim Crow laws. I think he's trying to say he's more heroic than he really is.

So if you want to talk to somebody about your views I'm willing to listen but you have to respond to my post I have no idea who you were even responding to nobody but you.

My presence on this form and responding to you it's bothering to learn your argument.

Sounds like this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

WarmPotato said:

Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, compared the plight of LGBT Americans with Kristallnacht and Segregation. He's gotten away with this through a shield called Identity Politics. Saying he's a christian, raised Baptist, great reverence, trial of sin, God made him gay, and so on. Tim Cook's most infamous statement was when he said "God’s Greatest Gift To Me" was being gay. Cook claims God made him homosexual in a hope to fuse antithetical camps of identity politics into a shield for his self serving politics. Being a false christian is something I can shrug off, but dragging your religion into politics is a poison on democracy. And comparing gay marriage to Kristallnacht and Segregation is unforgivable.

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well god seems to be made up but you would have to put ultimate responsibility on it if 1 exists and its all powerful and all knowing

and you can certainly be discriminated against harmed and oppressed for being gay .

and people who have a problem with gay people seem about as full of **** and pointlessly evil as racists