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Transgenderism - Healthy or a Hoax?

Healthy or hoax?

Likes blondes healthy or hoax?, leg man hoh?, likes leather hoh?, woman likes guys in cop uniforms, hoh?, foot fetishist hoh?, missionary position, hoh?

There are many flowers in the garden. Celebrate diversity.
 
marke said:
I think it is important to agree with God about sexual perversion and fornication, even for those who may have trouble understanding why.
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Transgendered people dont have to obey your myths and their secular rights are not determined by your churches bigotry because they have equal religious rights of their own. The fact that there are many Christian sects that are trans or LGBT friendly seems to escape you. Not all Christians twist the gospels to make Jesus to be a homophobic bigot.

Gay Affirming Christian Churches; Homosexuality & the Bible

Do you need me to explain what a eunuch is?

Matthew 19:12.
For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
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marke said:
I think it is important to agree with God about sexual perversion and fornication, even for those who may have trouble understanding why.
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If your god doesn't like transgendered people then why does he keep creating them with heterosexual couples that is the US are often Christian? Your god is either a sadist or he is incompetent, or maybe you are just self-loathing and closeted or is it projecting your desire to be a tranny chaser...........
 
Lisa said:
If your god doesn't like transgendered people then why does he keep creating them with heterosexual couples that is the US are often Christian? Your god is either a sadist or he is incompetent, or maybe you are just self-loathing and closeted or is it projecting your desire to be a tranny chaser...........
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We ignore God and scripture on lots of stuff, e.g., much of the Sermon on the Mount. And of course we are way past Leviticus and it's weird pronouncements: I can imagine Moses rolling his eyes as he tried to take notes: "A bull without blemish?!? Yahweh, have you ever tried to check a bull for blemishes? No shrimps on the barbie? Every Mexican restaurant in Baja California will go belly up! And which in-laws can't I sleep with? -- is there an app to help me keep track? Gays are condemned, but not lesbians -- is that fair? And no apparent mention of transgendered folks, tho by implication guys who think they are gals, bad. Gals who think they are guys, good. I'm noticing a pattern here. When will you finally get over Eve, Almighty One?"
 
This says it an easier to understand form.

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The JKU doctor has every right to belief what he believes, but his views are contrary to the majority of psychologists and medical doctors on the issue, and the numerous studies on the matter. See links below:

The APA - Answers to your questions about transgender people, gender identity, and gender expression

The AMA - https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2019-03/transgender-coverage-issue-brief.pdf

Transitioning reduces/eliminating gender dysphoria - What We Know | What does the scholarly research say about the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being? | What We Know

I have known a few people who are transgender, and it's far from a "myth" or "hoax". The science does not prove the religious right's view on the issue. Any questions, let me know.
 
The science does not prove the religious right's view on the issue. Any questions, let me know.
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Science says there are two genders, with a tiny percentage of people born with both organs, but still binary. Transgenderism has nothing to do with science, it's a political movement designed to destroy the women's equality movement and force men into women's spaces. It's designed to give body dysmorphia/dysphoria legitimacy, and to give overly extroverted and feminine gay men credence, we'll see human cats soon enough.

Crossdressing is identical to transgenderism, the only difference is the decade and the amount of group insanity an individual takes on.

What in the world does the religious right have to do with this? 99% of the world and at least 90% of the west knows about men and women, the few million woke idiots on the left coast of the US who define their own "truth" and their own "science" depending on how good it feels does not make the truth any less objective to the rest of the world.

How many genders are there? Does putting on lipstick make me a woman? Why is lipstick enough to define a woman?
 
What I don't like is that the trans community keeps bringing up science, but ignores the science of sex. The science of sex is actually pretty straight forward. XX is female, XY is male. That is the undisputed science of sex. Now, if someone wants to say that gender is different than sex, okay, I'll listen. But to say that science proves that there are an infinite amount of sexes? Nope, no it doesn't.
 
gino said:
What I don't like is that the trans community keeps bringing up science, but ignores the science of sex. The science of sex is actually pretty straight forward. XX is female, XY is male. That is the undisputed science of sex. Now, if someone wants to say that gender is different than sex, okay, I'll listen. But to say that science proves that there are an infinite amount of sexes? Nope, no it doesn't.
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Biological gender is not the same as psychologial gender identity. It is the incongruency between the two that is what makes a person transgendered. The person's body is of one gender but their brain has developed with functions and even physical structures of the other gender, and because the brain controls the body the person feels trapped in the wrong gendered body.

Nobody said that there is an infinite number of sex/or genders. There are 3 genders (male, female and intersexxed, or maybe even asexual).

Gender is different than sex. Gender is the biological male or and female characteristics of the body. There is also a psychological gender identity that describes how a person sees themselves and desires to express themselves, and it usually aligns with the person's biological gender +90% of the time. It is the times where the physical gender and the psychological gender do not align where a person might feel gender fluid or transgendered.

, Sex is a physical act of mating.
 
gino said:
What I don't like is that the trans community keeps bringing up science, but ignores the science of sex. The science of sex is actually pretty straight forward. XX is female, XY is male. That is the undisputed science of sex. Now, if someone wants to say that gender is different than sex, okay, I'll listen. But to say that science proves that there are an infinite amount of sexes? Nope, no it doesn't.
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Who is arguing there's an infinite number of sexes?

Biological sex can defined in a wide range of ways. You have genitals and you have sex chromosomes. If you look at it in terms of genitals, and then you have 3 options. If you look at it in terms of sex chromosomes, you have 6 options. XX and XY are not the only options.
 
BrotherFease said:
Who is arguing there's an infinite number of sexes?

Biological sex can defined in a wide range of ways. You have genitals and you have sex chromosomes. If you look at it in terms of genitals, and then you have 3 options. If you look at it in terms of sex chromosomes, you have 6 options. XX and XY are not the only options.
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Many people on youtube say that gender is a spectrum and that there are infinite numbers of sexes. Heck, even Bill Nye said that.

As for XX and XY, those are the only options that are NORMAL. If you want to discuss Klinefelter's Syndrome (XXy) or Turners Syndrome (X0), those are genetic abnormalities (and relatively rare). They aren't supposed to happen, they do because biological systems aren't perfect. There is Xyy and XXX, but both of those are *basically* normal males and females.
 
gino said:
Many people on youtube say that gender is a spectrum and that there are infinite numbers of sexes. Heck, even Bill Nye said that.

As for XX and XY, those are the only options that are NORMAL. If you want to discuss Klinefelter's Syndrome (XXy) or Turners Syndrome (X0), those are genetic abnormalities (and relatively rare). They aren't supposed to happen, they do because biological systems aren't perfect. There is Xyy and XXX, but both of those are *basically* normal males and females.
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I believe you're confusing the term "sex" and "gender". Nobody is arguing there are an infinite number of sexes. I could be wrong about this, but you have yet to show anybody who claims that there are an infinite number of sexes. Please quote Nye saying there was infinite number of sexes.

We all understand that MOST people are either XX or XY, but those are not the only options. Arguing there are only two options is incorrect.

Based on our previous conversation, looks like you don't really understand the issue at hand. I believe their argument is that gender is a social construct, and there can be more than 2 options to pick from.
 
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BrotherFease said:
I believe their argument is that gender is a social construct, and there can be more than 2 options to pick from.
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And I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with the trans community NOT defining sex and gender as separate things. What we are seeing in the US is a lack of defining what is sex and what is gender. In Connecticut, they are allowing 2 guys who say they are trans to compete in high school female track and field. These guys have all the original equipment, but are competing with biological females. Not surprisingly, they are dominating every race they run in. That has been happening in more and more female sports in the US.
 
gino said:
And I don't have a problem with that.I have a problem with the trans community NOT defining sex and gender as separate things. What we are seeing in the US is a lack of defining what is sex and what is gender. In Connecticut, they are allowing 2 guys who say they are trans to compete in high school female track and field. These guys have all the original equipment, but are competing with biological females. Not surprisingly, they are dominating every race they run in. That has been happening in more and more female sports in the US.
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Where and when has the transgender community ever defined sex and gender being the same? You need to actually back up your points here. I am still waiting for your sources on where anybody has claimed there's an infinite number of sexes.
 
gino said:
And I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with the trans community NOT defining sex and gender as separate things. What we are seeing in the US is a lack of defining what is sex and what is gender. In Connecticut, they are allowing 2 guys who say they are trans to compete in high school female track and field. These guys have all the original equipment, but are competing with biological females. Not surprisingly, they are dominating every race they run in. That has been happening in more and more female sports in the US.
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Here's what the APA wrote on transgenderism: Answers to your questions about transgender people, gender identity, and gender expression
 
BrotherFease said:
Where and when has the transgender community ever defined sex and gender being the same? You need to actually back up your points here. I am still waiting for your sources on where anybody has claimed there's an infinite number of sexes.
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I gave you an example. That the Trans community has argued to allow trans-females to compete in sports competitions with biological females. The trans community refuses to allow that there is a difference between people born male and people born female. When a biological male says that they ARE FEMALE without any surgery, they are arguing that sex does not matter.

Since the trans community refuses to differentiate between sex and gender, they have, in effect, said that there are an infinite amount of sexes.
 
gino said:
I gave you an example. That the Trans community has argued to allow trans-females to compete in sports competitions with biological females. The trans community refuses to allow that there is a difference between people born male and people born female. When a biological male says that they ARE FEMALE without any surgery, they are arguing that sex does not matter.

Since the trans community refuses to differentiate between sex and gender, they have, in effect, said that there are an infinite amount of sexes.
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I still do not see any links or sources, showing that transgender people that sex and gender are the same thing or that there's an infinite number of sexes. We cannot continue this conversation unless you actually backup your claims.

Let me address your second to last sentence, you typed. The sentence illustrates your main problem or source of confusion. When a transgender woman says she's female, not male, she's referring to her cultural identification and psychological make up, not her genitals or sex chromosomes. In other words, she's referring to her GENDER, not her biological sex. Think of a trans man as a non-biological man, and as a trans woman as a non-biological woman. Think adoption. A couple adopts a kid. That kid calls the couple mom and dad. The couple calls the kid, their son or daughter.


When you drift into the topic of sports, you're diving into the issue of whether or not, sports leagues should be gender specific or sex specific.
 
gino said:
I gave you an example. That the Trans community has argued to allow trans-females to compete in sports competitions with biological females. The trans community refuses to allow that there is a difference between people born male and people born female. When a biological male says that they ARE FEMALE without any surgery, they are arguing that sex does not matter.

Since the trans community refuses to differentiate between sex and gender, they have, in effect, said that there are an infinite amount of sexes.
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Sex and gender are very different. That is the difference between a person being gay or bi (sexual orientation) and a person who is transgender or gender fluid(gender identity). You just don't understand the difference or what to admit it because it doesn't support your strawman


Would you rather have trans guys competing with CIS females in female sports, or did you forget that transgendered guys exist? Those trans guys may have been born female but the injections of large doses of testosterone make them just as strong as males. Transgdered females have been on homones for 6 months or longer and have the hormonal profile of a female. They would love to have gender confirmation surgery so if your idea means that their surgery is paid for by the government to allow them to compete, then I might support it.
 
Lisa said:
Those trans guys may have been born female but the injections of large doses of testosterone make them just as strong as males.
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Nope, no even close. If that were true, we would have examples of trans guys competing with biological guys in sports. That hasn't happened because hormone therapy doesn't make them equal.

YOU ARE ARGUING WHAT I MEAN. You are saying that a woman can change their sex to be male. I thought that a trans person was changing their GENDER, not their sex.

This is one of my problems with the trans community. When it suits you, gender and sex are the same thing. But you two are now arguing that gender and sex are different.

Can a person change their sex from male to female, or female to male? I say no. I would be willing to say that a person can change their gender, but not their sex.
 
gino said:
Nope, no even close. If that were true, we would have examples of trans guys competing with biological guys in sports. That hasn't happened because hormone therapy doesn't make them equal.

YOU ARE ARGUING WHAT I MEAN. You are saying that a woman can change their sex to be male. I thought that a trans person was changing their GENDER, not their sex.

This is one of my problems with the trans community. When it suits you, gender and sex are the same things. But you two are now arguing that gender and sex are different.

Can a person change their sex from male to female, or female to male? I say no. I would be willing to say that a person can change their gender, but not their sex.
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It is very obvious that you do not know or understand the difference between sex and gender because you are using them interchangeably or just incorrectly.
Where are you getting this information?

People cannot change their sexual orientation from being heterosexual, homosexual, asexual, or bisexual. That sexual orientation is determined before birth and cannot be changed.

They also can not change their psychological gender identity, which is how we see ourselves, because that factor of our personality is also determined in the uterus, usually before the 5th week of gestation. Transgendered people can, however, change the outward appearance of their physical gender as well as some internal sex organs with hormones and then surgery.

Trans guys have competed as male and won, Trans Man Won His Debut as Professional Boxer - Rolling Stone
 
When I use the term sex, I mean their biological sex, if they are male or female. So tell me, what is the difference between gender and sex?
 
Sexual orientation is just that. Who one is attracted to. Same sex, opposite sex, both.

Sex refers to one's biological sex. Male or female. A small percentage of the population is considered intersex or having a DSD (disorders of sex development). Intersex is not a "third sex" nor is it a gender identity.

Gender has changed over time and is often used either to reflect a societal role (women have felt they been forced into gender roles based on their sex, for example). OR some believe there is such a thing as an innate "gender identity". There is no settled science (just many theories and studies with predetermined outcomes so they cannot be relied upon).

One need not believe in the concept of an innate, immutable, gender identity to believe people should live as they wish and not be dehumanized or disrespected. When a group works to redefine the sex categories, it becomes an issue. It is also an issue in sport, obviously. Open discussion is needed. Less hyperbole, more compassion, and more honesty about the concept of gender, what we should be legislating around this concept and the potential unintended consequences. Last of all we should be able to discuss the idea of children and young people (particularly before the age of 25 when the brain is generally considered to be fully developed) transitioning socially or medically.
 
gino said:
When I use the term sex, I mean their biological sex, if they are male or female. So tell me, what is the difference between gender and sex?
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Gender is the male or femaleness of a person and can be either biological gender such as their DNA or their external sex organs (which you are calling sex) or the person's psychological gender identity, which is how their view themselves emotionally and how they choose to present themselves to others.

Sex is an act of mating and can be heterosexual, homosexual, pansexual, or asexual.
 
Lisa, you obviously like to argue, but how about arguing what everyone else is talking about? You have waisted how many posts saying that I am using the work "sex" incorrectly? I happen to have a degree in Biology and I am using the term "sex" in an excepted way.

You are proving my point. This is why I have started to publicly say that I do not condone or accept the trans community any longer. People on your side like to argue minutia instead of discussing the larger issues at play. You have argued around the issue, citing what you perceive to be errors in my posts, yet you ignore the actual argument itself. If you wish to verbally masturbate, please stop doing it in your posts to me.
 
gino said:
Lisa, you obviously like to argue, but how about arguing what everyone else is talking about? You have waisted how many posts saying that I am using the word "sex" incorrectly? I happen to have a degree in Biology and I am using the term "sex" in an excepted way.
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Isn't liking to debate the point of being a member of a social-political discussion forum?

You are proving my point. This is why I have started to publicly say that I do not condone or accept the trans community any longer. People on your side like to argue minutia instead of discussing the larger issues at play. You have argued around the issue, citing what you perceive to be errors in my posts, yet you ignore the actual argument itself. If you wish to verbally masturbate, please stop doing it in your posts to me.
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1.) What part of transgendered people existing openly with equal rights do you have a problem with? They aren't asking for your personal approval.

2.) What larger issues do you believe that I am ignoring?
 
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