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Masterpiece Cakeshop owner in court again for denying LGBTQ customer

CLAX1911 said:
Refusing to make that cake for anybody is absolutely treating people equally.
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There is no point in further conversation because you dont understand what a custom cake is.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Yeah it's Everybody else that doesn't understand.
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IOt appears that I haver to expl;ain what the word custom means because you lack the ability to udnerstand it on your own.

7. made to the specifications of an individual customer (often in the combinations custom-built, custom-made)
8. specializing in goods so made
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Each cake is a one-off design of the customer's own choice, by the customers, especially for them. The baker doesn't get to decide what cakes he will make when he makes custom cakes. if he did then he would be making custom cakes.
The customers aren't seeking his approval of the cake their function that the cake will be served at, despite his emotional or intellectual inability to be keep his opinions and his religious views out of their life.
The fact that you laughably claimed he wouldn't make that cake for someone else can only mean that you lack the ability to understand what a custom cake is. Being intellectually dishonest or just obtuse isn't helping you or your argument. He didn't design the cake because it is a one off cake of the customer's own design.
 
Somerville said:
Is it discrimination to expect someone to make a Hindu a cake with Kali in the frosting if it violates their religions (sic) beliefs? Is it discrimination to offer a location for marriages to Christians and Jews but not to Muslims? Is it discrimination to refuse a marriage license to a couple of different races/nationalities if it violates a person's religious beliefs?
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It doesn’t matter how you spin it, the only reason why the shop was chosen was because of their religious beliefs.
 
danielpalos said:
Our First Amendment is clear and protects the consumer in this case due to the baker operating in Public not Private accommodation.
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I don’t see where in the 1st Amendment it says anything about consumers or bakers operating in public. Quote it for me.
 
Aberration said:
I don’t see where in the 1st Amendment it says anything about consumers or bakers operating in public. Quote it for me.
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There are more amendments than the first. Public accommodations come with rules and regulations. And that is only federal laws, we are also dealing with state laws.
 
Aberration said:
It doesn’t matter how you spin it, the only reason why the shop was chosen was because of their religious beliefs.
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No, the reason why the shop was chosen was because of their intolerance.
 
danielpalos said:
In public accommodation, the customer also has First Amendment protection from right wing bigotry in public accommodation on a for-the-profit-of-Lucre, not Morals basis.
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Except making baking cupcakes or a stock cake is not freedom of speech. He can speak all he wants, as long as he abides by the laws.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Doesn't suspend first amendment.
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Thank you for recognizing that legal axiom. Our First Amendment is not suspended for the customer, either.

Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.

Thomas Jefferson
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Peter King said:
Except making baking cupcakes or a stock cake is not freedom of speech. He can speak all he wants, as long as he abides by the laws.
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An example of the Right Wing making "Government more expensive" when every Body should know, operating on a for-the-Profit-of-Lucre-not-Morals basis, precludes a morals based defense from the practioner of the Art of Bakery not Morals.
 
Lisa said:
IOt appears that I haver to expl;ain what the word custom means
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no you have to show me the law that says someone who offers custom services must take every contract offered.

you won't because you can't because such a law doesn't exist you were lying are you were just making **** up
 
CLAX1911 said:
You don't have the right to someone else's labor. That was made illegal in 1865 buddy.
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They certainly do have that right when you voluntarily open a public accommodation business and they pay you the price that you have requested. If you don't like that idea then operating a business that serves the public is not a good career choice for you. This is explained in detail as part of obtaining a business license.


CLAX1911 said:
no you have to show me the law that says someone who offers custom services must take every contract offered.

you won't because you can't because such a law doesn't exist you were lying are you were just making **** up
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How many times and in how many ways does this need to be explained to you before the reality of the law sinks in?

That is not how legislation is written because your idea would entail every business being mentioned that the law applies to and the laws being thousands of pages long. The public accommodation protections say that you cannot refuse equal service based on the person's race, creed, ethnicity, age, color, disability, and in Colorado LGBT status. Your idea would create an intentional loophole that the law was designed to prevent from happening. Almost all businesses have some form of customer service that this law is created to make sure that the business owner cannot use to discriminate against the customer.

Do you want to risk a $10,000, federal fine, the loss of your business license, legal fees, and possibly a million-dollar civil suit because you choose to be a bigot?
 
danielpalos said:
Operating in public accommodation is a Privilege not a Right. Operate in Private not Public accommodation or quit if you don't have the morals to bake moral breads.
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You still don't have the right to someone's labor even if they operate a business that accommodates the public.
 
CLAX1911 said:
You still don't have the right to someone's labor even if they operate a business that accommodates the public.
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You don't have the right to be a bigot in public accommodation.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
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CLAX1911 said:
No there's no right to someone else's labor.

You can argue that there is but until you show me where that right is enumerated you don't have an argument.
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You are kind of slow on basic civics-constitutional rights concepts.

That is the core idea of public accommodation when you choose to open a business. As long as they pay you the price that you request then they do have that right to your labor, just as your boss does when you accept their job offer.
 
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