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Masterpiece Cakeshop owner in court again for denying LGBTQ customer

Aberration said:
It’s also discrimination to expect someone to violate their religions beliefs to make you a cake. Just because you choose to bake cakes doesn’t mean you lose your 1st Amendment protections.
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Is it discrimination to expect someone to make a Hindu a cake with Kali in the frosting if it violates their religions (sic) beliefs? Is it discrimination to offer a location for marriages to Christians and Jews but not to Muslims? Is it discrimination to refuse a marriage license to a couple of different races/nationalities if it violates a person's religious beliefs?

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.”

— Judge Leon M. Bazile, January 6, 1959
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Somerville said:
Is it discrimination to expect someone to make a Hindu a cake with Kali in the frosting if it violates their religions (sic) beliefs? Is it discrimination to offer a location for marriages to Christians and Jews but not to Muslims? Is it discrimination to refuse a marriage license to a couple of different races/nationalities if it violates a person's religious beliefs?
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The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
 
Aberration said:
It’s also discrimination to expect someone to violate their religions beliefs to make you a cake. Just because you choose to bake cakes doesn’t mean you lose your 1st Amendment protections.
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Nobody is asking him to violate anything because there is absolutely no expectation for him to agree with his customer or to like or approve of their relationship or existence, any more than it was a violation of his religious beliefs to require Maurice Bessinger to serve black people despite the fact that he claimed that his religion opposed race mixing. Bessigner was a Klan member and a proud racist to his very last breath. He said that "the government may force him to serve ni**gers but ever dime of profit he made from serving them went to the KKK".

Jack Phillips has the right to throw darts at a picture of his LGBT customers or have voodoo dolls made and set them them ablaze, as long as he serves them equally with WASPs in his bakery.
 
Aberration said:
It’s also discrimination to expect someone to violate their religions beliefs to make you a cake. Just because you choose to bake cakes doesn’t mean you lose your 1st Amendment protections.
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It is not discrimination to ask a practitioner of the Art of Bakery on a for the profit of Lucre not Morals, to practice his Art.
 
Lisa said:
Nobody is asking him to violate anything because there is absolutely no expectation for him to agree with his customer or to like or approve of their relationship or existence, any more than it was a violation of his religious beliefs to require Maurice Bessinger to serve black people despite the fact that he claimed that his religion opposed race mixing. Bessigner was a Klan member and a proud racist to his very last breath. He said that "the government may force him to serve ni**gers but ever dime of profit he made from serving them went to the KKK".

Jack Phillips has the right to throw darts at a picture of his LGBT customers or have voodoo dolls made and set them them ablaze, as long as he serves them equally with WASPs in his bakery.
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He probably wouldn't make that kind of cake for anyone therefore it's not discrimination.

If a gay person came in and asked for a donut and he said we don't serve your kind here that would be discrimination.

Refusing to make a specific custom ordered item isn't.
 
CLAX1911 said:
He probably wouldn't make that kind of cake for anyone therefore it's not discrimination.

If a gay person came in and asked for a donut and he said we don't serve your kind here that would be discrimination.
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This has been explained to you multiple times. How many more times will I need to do so before you understand it?

How many times do I have ex to explain that if he makes custom cakes then he makes what the customer wants. The fact that others might not request that cake doesn't mean that it isn't a custom cake or that he can decline to make it. His custom orders aren't limited to the popular custom cakes or the custom orders that he agrees with because those would not be custom cakes which means that he makes whatever the customer requests.

Refusing to make a specific custom ordered item isn't.
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He makes custom cakes so he cannot pick and choose which custom cakes that he makes. The LGBT people are entitled with full equal custom service that he offers to white heterosexual Christians. The opinions of WASPs don't limit what cakes he makes for LGBT customers because that would not be equal.
 
Lisa said:
This has been explained to you multiple times.
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yeah where you said a bakery has to accept any things are offered by law which is profoundly absurd.

Explaining incorrect things at nauseam will never make it correct no matter how many times you try.
 
CLAX1911 said:
yeah where you said a bakery has to accept any things are offered by law which is profoundly absurd.

Explaining incorrect things at nauseam will never make it correct no matter how many times you try.
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Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.

Thomas Jefferson
 
CLAX1911 said:
yeah where you said a bakery has to accept any things are offered by law which is profoundly absurd.

Explaining incorrect at nauseam will never make it correct no matter how many times you try.
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That guaranteed profound absurdly is equal rights for all people. the majority doesn't get to decide the rights or opinions of minorities. What cakes should he be able to reject while at the same time guaranteeing equal rights for LGBT people or other minorities. A cake for Juneteenth seems absurd to racists, as does a cake for the end of Ramadan, Vesak, or Samhain seem absurd to southern Baptists.

He has the right to stop making custom cakes or to sell the business.
 
danielpalos said:
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.

Thomas Jefferson
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Ironic
 
CLAX1911 said:
Nobody Has a right to a masterpiece cake. That's equality.
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That is not how the law works. If he chooses to open and operate a public accommodation business then anyone has the right to buy his products who can afford it. If he makes custom cakes then anyone who can pay the price cannot be denied the right to order a custom cake of their own design.


CLAX1911 said:
Yes they do.
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The 1964 Civil Rights Act has 50+ years of legal precedent proving otherwise. Colorado added LGBT to those same legal protections in 2008.
 
CLAX1911 said:
In North Korea perhaps.
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That idea is the core concept of public accommodation protections. All people are to be treated absolutely equally when they walk in to your business. You cannot pick and choose which ones to serve and they are all must be served with respect.

If you dont like those ideas then I would suggest that you do not open and operate a public accommodation business.
 
Lisa said:
That idea is the core concept of public accommodation protections. All people are to be treated absolutely equally when they walk in to your business.
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Refusing to make that cake for anybody is absolutely treating people equally.
 
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