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Transphobic hospitals postpone gender reassignment surgery

If someone sees a gender reassignment surgery as a matter of "life or death" its a pretty good indicator that they are mentally ill and not ready for gender reassignment surgery.
 
VanceMack said:
If someone sees a gender reassignment surgery as a matter of "life or death" its a pretty good indicator that they are mentally ill and not ready for gender reassignment surgery.
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It can be life and death because of deteriorating mental health.
 
Lisa said:
It can be life and death because of deteriorating mental health.
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Wrong minded way to look at it. Surgery will not fix mental illness. First...fix the problem and the problem is a lack of self love and acceptance. Thats not going to be magically made better because someone is cosmetically altered. If anything it will be made worse...because there will always be that man staring back at them from the mirror.
 
VanceMack said:
Wrong minded way to look at it. Surgery will not fix mental illness. First...fix the problem and the problem is a lack of self love and acceptance. Thats not going to be magically made better because someone is cosmetically altered. If anything it will be made worse...because there will always be that man staring back at them from the mirror.
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Clearly you haven't met enough trans people. Some of them are among the most gorgeous women that I've ever seen. Far more beautiful than most "real" women.

Not all trans people hate themselves. Many are very much in love with themselves. Some to the point of obsession XD
 
Irredentist said:
Clearly you haven't met enough trans people. Some of them are among the most gorgeous women that I've ever seen. Far more beautiful than most "real" women.

Not all trans people hate themselves. Many are very much in love with themselves. Some to the point of obsession XD
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Sorry...but thats simply not reality and that is proven by the continued high suicide rates in the trans community.
 
VanceMack said:
Sorry...but thats simply not reality and that is proven by the continued high suicide rates in the trans community.
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What, so a higher suicide rate proves that EVERY trans person hates themselves? In what universe buddy?
 
Irredentist said:
Clearly you haven't met enough trans people. Some of them are among the most gorgeous women that I've ever seen. Far more beautiful than most "real" women.

Not all trans people hate themselves. Many are very much in love with themselves. Some to the point of obsession XD
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And men. Why does everyone ignore all the lesbians and trans men when engaging on the subjects of homosexuality and Transgenderism?

But I agree. I've know more whose lives have been improved by the transition than not.

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Irredentist said:
What, so a higher suicide rate proves that EVERY trans person hates themselves? In what universe buddy?
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Holy ****. What thread are you reading?
 
VanceMack said:
Wrong minded way to look at it. Surgery will not fix mental illness. First...fix the problem and the problem is a lack of self-love and acceptance. Thats not going to be magically made better because someone is cosmetically altered. If anything it will be made worse...because there will always be that man staring back at them from the mirror.
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Surgery, along with hormones does treat the situation of mind-body incongruency. The surgery helps because it gets rid of the external biology that is not in alignment with the personal psychological gender. Once there is the surgery it isn't a man that they see in the mirror. That is the core concept of treating gender identity disroder.
 
Irredentist said:
What, so a higher suicide rate proves that EVERY trans person hates themselves? In what universe buddy?
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We don’t need account for every outlier when a concept is generally true.
 
Lisa said:
Surgery, along with hormones does treat the situation of mind-body incongruency. The surgery helps because it gets rid of the external biology that is not in alignment with the personal psychological gender. Once there is the surgery it isn't a man that they see in the mirror. That is the core concept of treating gender identity disorder.
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No...it doesnt. The mental state is not made whole with surgery. if that were the case we wouldnt have suicides in the 40% range still.

Its really ****ing disturbing watching some of you people and your comments. You are so invested in the 'cause' of transgenderism you abandon reason. I have not suggested all trans individuals are mentally ill. I have stated the FACT that people that see trans surgery as life saving surgery are misguided and not good candidates for surgery, any more so than people that have not successfully achieved mental wellness are candidates for weight loss surgery. That doesnt mean they shouldnt have gender reassignment surgery...it means they should first successfully complete mental health counseling and love themselves before they expect surgery to 'fix' them. Those that have successfully undergone the transitional surgery didnt do so successfully because their body was physically altered...they did it because they embraced themselves as who they were FIRST.
 
Irredentist said:
I dunno, I started at the part where you claimed that trans people hate themselves.
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What an ignorant ****ing comment. You should maybe try go back and read the thread again without your weird obsessive bent in promoting a cause.

Or you know what...dont...I dont give a ****. I dont have time or people like you.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
We don’t need account for every outlier when a concept is generally true.
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So did you take a poll, asking trans people whether they hate themselves? Otherwise this just seems like an unsubstantiated allegation. Sure, some people are not completely satisfied with their bodies and want to alter them. That doesn't automatically mean that they hate themselves.

In my experience, the main reason that people end up hating themselves, is when other people treat them like garbage. Not because of anything intrinsic about themselves.
 
VanceMack said:
Sorry...but thats simply not reality and that is proven by the continued high suicide rates in the trans community.
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Show us a study that compares pre op to post op, AND accounts for other factors such as drug interactions, bullying, clinical depression, etc.

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VanceMack said:
Sorry...but that's simply not reality and that is proven by the continued high suicide rates in the trans community.
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There are numerous other issues at play, so to blame the suicide rate only on the surgery is wrong. The outcome is much better if it is treated as a teen but there are many teens who can't get proper care because of their family beliefs, religion, or cost.

Many transgender people don't get the proper follow-up care because the Drs they that they aren't qualified for hormones of trans women just because they have treated CIS women. This is a lifelong situation and continued mental health care is often ignored after surgery. Trans guys have a very poor surgery outcome so many don't get the surgery due to the fact that it isn't well developed and often those who want it cannot afford it because of the cost.

There are also many transgendered people who focus only on their appearance and never look deeply into the psychological health and background before the surgery. This lapse can be deadly because there are many issues that need to be talked about in psychotherapy counseling and treatment.

PTSD is rampant in the trans community because of abuse both as a child and abuse and bullying as adults in denials of care, loss of jobs and family due to religious bigotry, ignorance and equal rights. It is often not recogniozed and properly treated.
 
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VanceMack said:
No...it doesnt. The mental state is not made whole with surgery. if that were the case we wouldnt have suicides in the 40% range still.

Its really ****ing disturbing watching some of you people and your comments. You are so invested in the 'cause' of transgenderism you abandon reason. I have not suggested all trans individuals are mentally ill. I have stated the FACT that people that see trans surgery as life saving surgery are misguided and not good candidates for surgery, any more so than people that have not successfully achieved mental wellness are candidates for weight loss surgery. That doesnt mean they shouldnt have gender reassignment surgery...it means they should first successfully complete mental health counseling and love themselves before they expect surgery to 'fix' them. Those that have successfully undergone the transitional surgery didnt do so successfully because their body was physically altered...they did it because they embraced themselves as who they were FIRST.
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2+ years of counseling and testing is among the first parts of transgendered treatment. It is muich longer in teens who can't get approved for surgery before 17 or 18. A person doesn't just request to have surgery after being on hormones for 6 months.
 
Lisa said:
Who said anything allowing patients to asphyxiate during surgery?
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Asphyxiation (terminal ARDS) is putatively what happens to the COVID-19 patient who isn't getting medical care because the space, staff, and resources required to treat him are tied up for elective surgery. Which is why the OP is easily identifiable (or at least should be identifiable) as satire.
 
Lisa said:
2+ years of counseling and testing is among the first parts of transgendered treatment. It is muich longer in teens who can't get approved for surgery before 17 or 18. A person doesn't just request to have surgery after being on hormones for 6 months.
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and for MOST people that is sufficient. But not for all.

That has been my point. I have never made a comment suggesting people SHOULDNT have gender reassignment surgery...only that those that see it as life saving are not hyet mentally ready for it.

And that is factual.
 
maquiscat said:
Show us a study that compares pre op to post op, AND accounts for other factors such as drug interactions, bullying, clinical depression, etc.

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Dood...you dont think those other correlative factors might still be relevant from a mental health perspective?

Seriously...its ****ing sick watching you lot more invested in the cause than the people.
 
VanceMack said:
Dood...you dont think those other correlative factors might still be relevant from a mental health perspective?

Seriously...its ****ing sick watching you lot more invested in the cause than the people.
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An overall perspective, sure. But I would expect someone with clinical depression to get treated for clinical depression the same whether they are trans or not. Same for bullying. The Transgenderism doesn't enter into it as far as these factors are concerned. Please show how they are.

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AtlantaAdonis said:
And there it is on the first reply...the transphobia. It's elective surgery because trans trans people have a "fetish" or are just "pretending" to be of a different sex.
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The word phobia means fear. There was no fear in his post, just facts.
 
Lisa said:
It can be life and death because of deteriorating mental health.
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If that is the case they are going to the wrong kind of doctor.
 
Mason66 said:
If that is the case they are going to the wrong kind of doctor.
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Having the body surgically changed to match their psychological gender is the cure if they have been previously approved for GRS.
 
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