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WuFlu Impact On Porn

Dayton3 said:
tough. pornography should be illegal anyway.
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Define it. Is it James Joyce’s Ulysses or Homer’s Odyssey, Mae West, 50 Shades, Venus de Milo?
 
Nickyjo said:
Define it. Is it James Joyce’s Ulysses or Homer’s Odyssey, Mae West, 50 Shades, Venus de Milo?
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I define pornography as anything showing detailed visuals of genitalia while engaged in a sex act.
 
Dayton3 said:
Sex is certainly immoral under various circumstances. Unless you believe rape is okay.

And yes, it is a one-way street.
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Rape isn't about sex. It's about non-consent.

The idea of the government enforcing a religious morality is a blatant violation of the religious clauses of the First Amendment because the government is both picking and choosing which religion has its beliefs enforced as well as the state enforcing a religious idea. The fact that every religion has fewer rights than the one who is enforcing its beliefs as secular law is also unconstitutional. If you don't like porn then you don't have to look, but you cannot force others to obey your religious beliefs because of the First Amendment's protections.


Keep your religious myths to yourself.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Consent is irrelevant, you cannot be permitted to consent to evil
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To the contrary. You must permit consent. Informed consent is one of the foundational principles of our society.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I don’t think it needs to be stopped. Merely punished.

Unlike the left or libertarians, I do not believe a utopia can ever be made, that being said I do not use that as an excuse for why anything should go.
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How about a guy who has a sex party with a porn star while his wife is at home with their new baby and then pays the pornographer not to say what he did with her? Is that someone you could support?
 
Lisa said:
Rape isn't about sex. It's about non-consent.

The idea of the government enforcing a religious morality is a blatant violation of the religious clauses of the First Amendment because the government is both picking and choosing which religion has its beliefs enforced as well as the state enforcing a religious idea. The fact that every religion has fewer rights than the one who is enforcing its beliefs as secular law is also unconstitutional. If you don't like porn then you don't have to look, but you cannot force others to obey your religious beliefs because of the First Amendment's protections.

Keep your religious myths to yourself.
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Better put, it is an act of violence.
 
Jay59 said:
Better put, it is an act of violence.
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That is still the non-consent of one partner. 2 people can consent to have violent/rough sex but if one person refuses then it can be considered to be rape because of that refusal.
 
Lisa said:
That is still the non-consent of one partner. 2 people can consent to have violent/rough sex but if one person refuses then it can be considered to be rape because of that refusal.
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You are mixing terminology. The D/s culture has it's own language, which is not appropriate in this context. You need to use the language appropriate to criminal behavior.
 
Jay59 said:
You are mixing terminology. The D/s culture has its own language, which is not appropriate in this context. You need to use the language appropriate to criminal behavior.
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What terminology and culture to Ds have? Who are the Ds that you are referring to?
 
Lisa said:
What terminology and culture to Ds have? Who are the Ds that you are referring to?
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D/s. Dominant/submissive. Consent, basically trust, is the central theme of the relationship.
 
I'm relieved to say that despite my best efforts and long time commitment to doing more - I have only made it through about a quarter of the porn on the internet; I will be okay for the near future
 
Jay59 said:
D/s. Dominant/submissive. Consent, basically trust, is the central theme of the relationship.
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Couples that take part in BDSM have their own way of communicating consent, including safe words. As long as the relationship is mutual and by consenting adults then the government has no place to regulate it. They can get their freak on however it pleases them.
 
Keridan said:
I'm relieved to say that despite my best efforts and long time commitment to doing more - I have only made it through about a quarter of the porn on the internet; I will be okay for the near future
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TMI, just.............. very TMI.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Well if we were able to pass legislation outlawing it then the punishment would be in the legislation.
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Who would pass such legislation, in your mind? Since it is legal in some jurisdictions, do you support the legislative process?


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Lisa said:
Rape isn't about sex. It's about non-consent.

The idea of the government enforcing a religious morality is a blatant violation of the religious clauses of the First Amendment because the government is both picking and choosing which religion has its beliefs enforced as well as the state enforcing a religious idea. The fact that every religion has fewer rights than the one who is enforcing its beliefs as secular law is also unconstitutional. If you don't like porn then you don't have to look, but you cannot force others to obey your religious beliefs because of the First Amendment's protections.


Keep your religious myths to yourself.
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No...
 
Dayton3 said:
No...
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I have equal First Amendment rights that protect me from being forced to obey your myths.

Jefferson and others were adamant about the strict separation of church and state, so the US is not now and never was a Christian country because if it was then all of us could not have equal religious freedom and a secular government. Can you be forced by the government to obey the beliefs and morals of other religions such as Satanists, Hindus, Muslims, and Buddhists, or is this claim of yours a one-way street for your benefit and not shared by people of other religions?

As to the invocation of Jefferson, we know that when he and James Madison first proposed the Virginia Statute on Religious Freedom (the frame and basis of the later First Amendment to the Constitution) in 1779, the preamble began, “Well aware that Almighty God hath created the mind free.” Patrick Henry and other devout Christians attempted to substitute the words “Jesus Christ” for “Almighty God” in this opening passage and were overwhelmingly voted down. This vote was interpreted by Jefferson to mean that Virginia’s representatives wanted the law “to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahomedan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.”
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Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.
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Lisa said:
I have equal First Amendment rights that protect me from being forced to obey your myths.
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To quote the Star Trek episode "Friday's Child"

Klingon- "We had an agreement"

Capellan leader- "This too can change".
 
Lisa said:
Couples that take part in BDSM have their own way of communicating consent, including safe words. As long as the relationship is mutual and by consenting adults then the government has no place to regulate it. They can get their freak on however it pleases them.
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Negotiating a scene is half the fun, but that is complete aside from the point of this thread. That said, despite the title, the thread has very little to do with porn.
 
Dayton3 said:
To quote the Star Trek episode "Friday's Child"

Klingon- "We had an agreement"

Capellan leader- "This too can change".
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Star Trek is not part of US law.

Being stupid isn't illegal but it should be.
 
Jay59 said:
Negotiating a scene is half the fun, but that is complete aside from the point of this thread. That said, despite the title, the thread has very little to do with porn.
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That is wholly between them and I'd prefer to be kept out of it. I may not be 100% white bread but that is not something that has ever interested me in any way shape or form. I dont even like it when someone touches my hair or hits me.
 
Lisa said:
Just use plenty of hand sanitizer in these times.
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Joking aside, most of the porn on the internet is a very good reminder to use sanitizer (yuck!)
 
Lisa said:
That is wholly between them and I'd prefer to be kept out of it. I may not be 100% white bread but that is not something that has ever interested me in any way shape or form. I dont even like it when someone touches my hair or hits me.
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It isn't about pain or bondage; it's about surrendering control to someone you trust. Have you never closed your eyes, lain back and asked your lover to surprise you?
 
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