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Transgender truth

Here are a few studies. I don’t have time to post more.

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden
Conclusions
Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

As for profit:
Sex Reassignment Surgery Market Report By Gender Transition, Forecast, 2018 - 2024 - Market Study Report
"Sex Reassignment Surgery Market will exceed USD 968 million by 2024; as per a new research report"

One of the downsides of our for profit medical model in the US is having a financial incentive in the mix. Clinics are private and do not report data, for the most part. If we look at the UK they at least report numbers and have some transparency. A benefit of socialized medicine.

Research on brain science is conflicting, depending on the source (or the outcome desired by researchers) There are some fantastic books on the topic. As to whether there are male/female brain differences enough to make the statement that trans people have the brain of the opposite sex, one needs to believe there are large enough sex based brain differences.
One thing we do understand more now is how flexible the brain is (neuroplasticity) and when someone lives as the opposite sex for long enough or, of course, takes cross sex hormones, there are going to be brain changes. Imagine how plastic the brains of developing children and adolescents are? Full frontal lobe development takes around 25 years for humans so imagine how cautious one should be when making irreversible life altering decisions during that time? Standards of care need to be vastly different, depending on age.
There is a lot to learn about the brain and many competing hypothesis’ on brain differences. Reading many sources is always good but one needs an open mind to do that and to leave behind politics or preconceived ideas.

Transsexualism: A Different Viewpoint to Brain Changes
"In summary, transgender individuals experience change in lifestyle, context of beliefs and concepts and, as a result, their culture and behaviors. Given the close relationship and interaction between culture, behavior and brain, the individual’s brain adapts itself to the new condition (culture) and concepts and starts to alter its function and structure."

Frontiers | Analysis of Human Brain Structure Reveals that the Brain “Types” Typical of Males Are Also Typical of Females, and Vice Versa | Human Neuroscience
"Findings of average differences between females and males in the structure of specific brain regions are often interpreted as indicating that the typical male brain is different from the typical female brain. An alternative interpretation is that the brain types typical of females are also typical of males, and sex differences exist only in the frequency of rare brain types.”
 
Good4Nothin said:
Uh, I said SOME of the Christians who oppose transgenderism are crazy. They are irrational, basing all their opinions on the bible, not science. No, I would not accept their ideas as facts.
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What makes you believe that opinions based on the Bible are irrational but opinions based on science are rational? Scientists used to blood-let to cure diseases. How did that work out? Was there anything true about what they were doing and concluding? Scientists do tests and those tests have to be analyzed and decisions made. Those conclusions don't always pan out. All the DNA and Biological studies of why people are gay have ended up with a maximum of conclusions people are born that way 50% of the time. That means they might be right but might be wrong as well. The Bible doesn't have any studies because none are needed. God has said that homosexual acts are a sin. God never said you can't be a homosexual. He's simply placed a line in life in which sexual relations can only be performed between a man and a woman who are legally and lawfully married. So, heterosexuals who don't comply with the sexual relations after marriage are also under the same sin. God doesn't care then why someone is sinning. He's saying don't do it.
 
All this doesn't matter. God said don't do it. Don't behave this way. Your life will not improve if you succumb to sin. Same with homosexual behavior or acts. Don't do it. Why? Doesn't matter, don't do it. Accept yourself as you are. But, don't do those things that will a deeper falling away from God. You will be happier if you stick with God.
 
Cougarbear said:
All this doesn't matter. God said don't do it. Don't behave this way. Your life will not improve if you succumb to sin. Same with homosexual behavior or acts. Don't do it. Why? Doesn't matter, don't do it. Accept yourself as you are. But, don't do those things that will a deeper falling away from God. You will be happier if you stick with God.
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There is a social and biological explanation to their behavioral tendencies and it is up to them to handle how they decide to bridge the gulf.
 
Cougarbear said:
All this doesn't matter. God said don't do it. Don't behave this way. Your life will not improve if you succumb to sin. Same with homosexual behavior or acts. Don't do it. Why? Doesn't matter, don't do it. Accept yourself as you are. But, don't do those things that will a deeper falling away from God. You will be happier if you stick with God.
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That's your God. My God knows better and She doesn't worry about this nonsense.

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Cougarbear said:
All this doesn't matter. God said don't do it. Don't behave this way. Your life will not improve if you succumb to sin. Same with homosexual behavior or acts. Don't do it. Why? Doesn't matter, don't do it. Accept yourself as you are. But, don't do those things that will a deeper falling away from God. You will be happier if you stick with God.
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By which you mean agree with you. Yeah you won't be happier I know better than you.
 
Good4Nothin said:
I couldn't find any scientific research showing longterm effects of changing sex with surgery and hormones, as compared to being gender dysphoric and not changing.

Transgender activism tells us that gender dysphoric people have a high rate of suicide, and therefore they must not be prevented from transitioning. But they don't tell us what the rate of suicide is for gender dysphorics who do transition.

I also have not seen research on the longterm effects of taking opposite sex hormones.

And what about the sex lives of transgenders? Can surgically created genitals be experienced as similar to real ones? It doesn't seem possible. Have any scientists bothered to study this?
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Why do you want to know?
 
Cougarbear said:
All this doesn't matter. God said don't do it. Don't behave this way. Your life will not improve if you succumb to sin. Same with homosexual behavior or acts. Don't do it. Why? Doesn't matter, don't do it. Accept yourself as you are. But, don't do those things that will a deeper falling away from God. You will be happier if you stick with God.
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Cougarbear said:
All this doesn't matter. God said don't do it. Don't behave this way. Your life will not improve if you succumb to sin. Same with homosexual behavior or acts. Don't do it. Why? Doesn't matter, don't do it. Accept yourself as you are. But, don't do those things that will a deeper falling away from God. You will be happier if you stick with God.
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What's the difference between homosexual behavior and acts?
 
ecofarm said:
What's the difference between homosexual behavior and acts?
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Acts are short term. Behaviors are long term. A little over simplification, but the just is there.

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maquiscat said:
Acts are short term. Behaviors are long term. A little over simplification, but the just is there.

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I'm pretty sure being gay for any term, short, long or otherwise, is being gay (or bi). I don't expect it's something in which one might dabble. A sex is either attractive or not.
 
Cougarbear said:
That’s what liberals are doing. Drown them in self pity. God lifts people out of the water clean.
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Religion is a 300+ year old scam to pray on the stupd and conversion therapy doesn't make people heterosexual or CIS but it doesnt cause suicides and depression.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm pretty sure being gay for any term, short, long or otherwise, is being gay (or bi). I don't expect it's something in which one might dabble. A sex is either attractive or not.
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But not being attractive doesn't automatically make it repulsive. Plenty of people in the sex film industry will portray those of the opposite orientation. Straight women will do lesbian roles. Gay men will perform straight role. Just because you might not be able to pull of such performances, doesn't mean others can't. So a heterosexual can indeed engage in homosexual acts.

Furthermore, it is not uncommon for a gay male couple to engage sexually with a gay female couple in order to produce children for both sets of couples. Again, just because they are not attracted to each other, doesn't automatically prevent them from engaging in the act with each other.

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maquiscat said:
But not being attractive doesn't automatically make it repulsive. Plenty of people in the sex film industry will portray those of the opposite orientation. Straight women will do lesbian roles. Gay men will perform straight role. Just because you might not be able to pull of such performances, doesn't mean others can't. So a heterosexual can indeed engage in homosexual acts.

Furthermore, it is not uncommon for a gay male couple to engage sexually with a gay female couple in order to produce children for both sets of couples. Again, just because they are not attracted to each other, doesn't automatically prevent them from engaging in the act with each other.

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I'm aware that people are not actually attracted to hands. Well, some are but you get my point. We can masturbate with many objects, parts and people. What we're attracted to does not change.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm aware that people are not actually attracted to hands. Well, some are but you get my point. We can masturbate with many objects, parts and people. What we're attracted to does not change.
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And what we are attracted to isn't automatically reflected in acts and behavior. Granted that behavior is more indicative of that attraction than acts are. But neither is an automatic assessment of such.

This is where we started:
ecofarm said:
What's the difference between homosexual behavior and acts?
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My basic simple reply was:

maquiscat said:
Acts are short term. Behaviors are long term. A little over simplification, but the just is there.
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But here:
ecofarm said:
I'm pretty sure being gay for any term, short, long or otherwise, is being gay (or bi). I don't expect it's something in which one might dabble. A sex is either attractive or not.
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Is where you suddenly turn to attractions, not acts and behaviors. One does not have to be homosexual to engage in homosexual activities.

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The main reason people would consider suicide is because something is wrong in their life. For me, society Is what's wrong with my life. The constant bullying, potential violence, and discrimination is what i face on a daily.

The fact that i am american living in the land of the free, but i have the potential to be discriminated against cuz of who I am is why there is a high suicide rate amongst our community.

We all say we have rights. And no one likes to be picked on or harrassed, and we preach freedom, but to our own citizens, we will kill, hurt, or harass them because of who they are.
 
dairyair said:
Serious question.
If you're not transgender, why do you care?
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This is America. I'm not concerned with many of the personal choices people make ... until I'm encouraged/forced to accept these personal choices (e.g. more than 2 genders, self-identifying, sports participation, locker room sharing, etc.)
 
jotathought said:
This is America. I'm not concerned with many of the personal choices people make ... until I'm encouraged/forced to accept these personal choices (e.g. more than 2 genders, self-identifying, sports participation, locker room sharing, etc.)
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Who is the newb account who loves conservative strawmen?

There are more than two genders because intersexxed people exist.

They were born transgendered, so it isn't a choice.

Do you want transgendered guys participating in CIS female sporting leagues?

Trans females are not a threat to CIS girls in the locker room.
 
Lisa said:
Who is the newb account who loves conservative strawmen?

There are more than two genders because intersexxed people exist.

They were born transgendered, so it isn't a choice.

Do you want transgendered guys participating in CIS female sporting leagues?

Trans females are not a threat to CIS girls in the locker room.
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Intersex is such a rare case and accounts for less than 2% of US births. It's statistically insignificant. Besides, intersex individuals will typically have dominate features / characteristics of male or female and identify as so.

With several arrests and convictions on record where "transgendered females" have sexually assaulted natural females, I would challenge your last statement. Besides, what horny, high-school male wouldn't take advantage of a locker room full of scantly dressed females?
 
jotathought said:
This is America. I'm not concerned with many of the personal choices people make ... until I'm encouraged/forced to accept these personal choices (e.g. more than 2 genders, self-identifying, sports participation, locker room sharing, etc.)
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No one is forcing you to accept these things. You are free to believe what you want to believe, just as others are. You are also free to complain about them on the internet, just as others are free to complain about you.
 
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