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Good4Nothin

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I couldn't find any scientific research showing longterm effects of changing sex with surgery and hormones, as compared to being gender dysphoric and not changing.

Transgender activism tells us that gender dysphoric people have a high rate of suicide, and therefore they must not be prevented from transitioning. But they don't tell us what the rate of suicide is for gender dysphorics who do transition.

I also have not seen research on the longterm effects of taking opposite sex hormones.

And what about the sex lives of transgenders? Can surgically created genitals be experienced as similar to real ones? It doesn't seem possible. Have any scientists bothered to study this?
 
And what about the sex lives of transgenders? Can surgically created genitals be experienced as similar to real ones? It doesn't seem possible. Have any scientists bothered to study this?

Give 'em a try.
 
I couldn't find any scientific research showing longterm effects of changing sex with surgery and hormones, as compared to being gender dysphoric and not changing.

Transgender activism tells us that gender dysphoric people have a high rate of suicide, and therefore they must not be prevented from transitioning. But they don't tell us what the rate of suicide is for gender dysphorics who do transition.

I also have not seen research on the longterm effects of taking opposite sex hormones.

There is certainly data on suicide rates. I'd be shocked if I went on a google/library deep dive and found a complete absence of long term studies. Studies of varying length have to have been completed, and others have to be in progress.

Are you sure you would know where to find studies? JSTOR membership, for example? Know about potential workarounds / "ask a librarian" services?


And what about the sex lives of transgenders? Can surgically created genitals be experienced as similar to real ones? It doesn't seem possible. Have any scientists bothered to study this?

There is one poster here you might be able to ask, actually . . .

That's not the primary concern or motive. Reassignment is the only way to treat the symptoms, nothing yet can treat the illness. There are some cases of people regretting transitioning, but it's quite the minority. By the time someone gets to reassignment surgery, they're doing it because the cure is not worse than the illness, even if that cure means things like that just aren't the same.
 
There is certainly data on suicide rates. I'd be shocked if I went on a google/library deep dive and found a complete absence of long term studies. Studies of varying length have to have been completed, and others have to be in progress.

Are you sure you would know where to find studies? JSTOR membership, for example? Know about potential workarounds / "ask a librarian" services?




There is one poster here you might be able to ask, actually . . .

That's not the primary concern or motive. Reassignment is the only way to treat the symptoms, nothing yet can treat the illness. There are some cases of people regretting transitioning, but it's quite the minority. By the time someone gets to reassignment surgery, they're doing it because the cure is not worse than the illness, even if that cure means things like that just aren't the same.

It isn't my full time job to find this research. I thought maybe someone here knew about some. In all the previous discussions of this here, no one posted anything unbiased and scientific.

All the articles I have read were biased one way or the other. And some said very little research has been done to address the questions I mentioned.

Transgender activism has taken over the medical industry on this. And the other side is mostly Christian crazies (I am not saying all Christians are crazy, just some).
 
I couldn't find any scientific research showing longterm effects of changing sex with surgery and hormones, as compared to being gender dysphoric and not changing.

Transgender activism tells us that gender dysphoric people have a high rate of suicide, and therefore they must not be prevented from transitioning. But they don't tell us what the rate of suicide is for gender dysphorics who do transition.

I also have not seen research on the longterm effects of taking opposite sex hormones.

And what about the sex lives of transgenders? Can surgically created genitals be experienced as similar to real ones? It doesn't seem possible. Have any scientists bothered to study this?

See the questions in bold? Bet you could get some simple answers by googling. Type them in, go on.

Do you know what makes people commit suicide? Sometimes its mental illness, drug dependency, loss. What makes a midwestern farmer commit suicide? Trump's China tariffs ruining his business and destroying his dreams.

You see transgender people have a dream. They know their 'surgically created genitals' will only be a facsimile of the body they wish they had but for them, it is a step in the right direction. Those who cannot achieve their dream, prevented by society, finances, peer pressure, lack of opportunity or resources do become depressed. Depression kills.

If you have ever known someone who was depressed because they could not achieve their goal, get the career they wanted, have the children they wanted, love the person they wanted to be with, live in the place they wanted to live, thrive and achieve and support their families, then it is the same for those who cannot be the gender they want. Because all of the above also have been prevented from being the person they want to be; what they see as their best selves.

The people I've met, known, heard about who've attempted or contemplated suicide?

Death of a loved one
Loss of a relationship
Miscarriage or failed pregnancies
Handicap or injury stopped them achieving a career or sporting dream
Laid off, business collapsed or career failed
Substance abuse
Sexual assault
Loneliness, socially awkward, unable to find or feel loved

All these people suffered a loss, setback, and inability to pursue their dream. That leaves a person feeling incomplete. Now success does not solve everyone's problems but failure is a problem in itself. A big one for those who struggle to come back or suffer a string of failures trying to overcome the last one. Some people, the world just keeps kicking down.

And are all these [easily googled] questions just a gateway to saying they shouldn't bother getting a sex change because it's not natural and it's imperfect? Might as well tell an infertile woman she cannot adopt because 'God made her that way' and she has to suck it up.
 
It isn't my full time job to find this research. I thought maybe someone here knew about some. In all the previous discussions of this here, no one posted anything unbiased and scientific.

All the articles I have read were biased one way or the other. And some said very little research has been done to address the questions I mentioned.

Transgender activism has taken over the medical industry on this. And the other side is mostly Christian crazies (I am not saying all Christians are crazy, just some).

It doesn't have to be your full time job. There are a number of ways to get studies on all sorts of things. Depending on the subject, you may not understand everything but you don't really need to.

If you're genuinely curious, perhaps talk to some librarians about access to those kind of things. They can be extremely helpful.
 
See the questions in bold? Bet you could get some simple answers by googling. Type them in, go on.

Do you know what makes people commit suicide? Sometimes its mental illness, drug dependency, loss. What makes a midwestern farmer commit suicide? Trump's China tariffs ruining his business and destroying his dreams.

You see transgender people have a dream. They know their 'surgically created genitals' will only be a facsimile of the body they wish they had but for them, it is a step in the right direction. Those who cannot achieve their dream, prevented by society, finances, peer pressure, lack of opportunity or resources do become depressed. Depression kills.

If you have ever known someone who was depressed because they could not achieve their goal, get the career they wanted, have the children they wanted, love the person they wanted to be with, live in the place they wanted to live, thrive and achieve and support their families, then it is the same for those who cannot be the gender they want. Because all of the above also have been prevented from being the person they want to be; what they see as their best selves.

The people I've met, known, heard about who've attempted or contemplated suicide?

Death of a loved one
Loss of a relationship
Miscarriage or failed pregnancies
Handicap or injury stopped them achieving a career or sporting dream
Laid off, business collapsed or career failed
Substance abuse
Sexual assault
Loneliness, socially awkward, unable to find or feel loved

All these people suffered a loss, setback, and inability to pursue their dream. That leaves a person feeling incomplete. Now success does not solve everyone's problems but failure is a problem in itself. A big one for those who struggle to come back or suffer a string of failures trying to overcome the last one. Some people, the world just keeps kicking down.

And are all these [easily googled] questions just a gateway to saying they shouldn't bother getting a sex change because it's not natural and it's imperfect? Might as well tell an infertile woman she cannot adopt because 'God made her that way' and she has to suck it up.

Your reply is just the same old transgender activism without a speck of science.
 
It doesn't have to be your full time job. There are a number of ways to get studies on all sorts of things. Depending on the subject, you may not understand everything but you don't really need to.

If you're genuinely curious, perhaps talk to some librarians about access to those kind of things. They can be extremely helpful.

I read A LOT about it already. There is little or no scientific research, and no unbiased articles for the public.
 
It doesn't have to be your full time job. There are a number of ways to get studies on all sorts of things. Depending on the subject, you may not understand everything but you don't really need to.

If you're genuinely curious, perhaps talk to some librarians about access to those kind of things. They can be extremely helpful.

I mean it is kinda silly to sit here on the internet, with the world's most powerful search tools literally at one's fingertips, and begin a thread with "I've never seen any research on..."

That means only one thing. They haven't looked.
 
I read A LOT about it already. There is little or no scientific research, and no unbiased articles for the public.

This kind of response indicates to me that you were not just so innocently asking a question





I read A LOT about it already. There is little or no scientific research, and no unbiased articles for the public.

Wait. So you haven't found any of the research that actually does exist, therefore haven't read it, BUT you know that articles about it are "biased"? How does that work? You have pre-conceived notions of what must be true, haven't bothered to find out what is true, but still are going to declare what is and is not true (the new definition you attempt to give "biased")? Right.

Yeah, right. Concern trolling revealed. My job is done.

:2wave:
 
I mean it is kinda silly to sit here on the internet, with the world's most powerful search tools literally at one's fingertips, and begin a thread with "I've never seen any research on..."

That means only one thing. They haven't looked.

You are WRONG. There are many things that have not been researched. There are infinitely MORE things that have not been researched than things that have been researched. It is INCREDIBLY ignorant to be unaware of this!

And of the things that have been researched, a large percent of the research is defective or deceptive.

I thought maybe some of the transgender activists here, who have been affirming that transgender people are much better off if they transition to the opposite sex -- I thought MAYBE some of them would show us the actual research. NOT just the politically correct affirmations.
 
This kind of response indicates to me that you were not just so innocently asking a question







Wait. So you haven't found any of the research that actually does exist, therefore haven't read it, BUT you know that articles about it are "biased"?

Yeah. Concern trolling revealed. My job is done.

:2wave:

I read a lot of articles for the public. They either affirm the politically correct opinions, or deny them.
 
I read a lot of articles for the public. They either affirm the politically correct opinions, or deny them.

No, no, it's fine. You already revealed what you are up to. You can stop now.
 
I couldn't find any scientific research showing longterm effects of changing sex with surgery and hormones, as compared to being gender dysphoric and not changing.

Transgender activism tells us that gender dysphoric people have a high rate of suicide, and therefore they must not be prevented from transitioning. But they don't tell us what the rate of suicide is for gender dysphorics who do transition.

One thing to remember is that you need to make distinctions between the reasons for the suicides...the actual gender identity issues OR how the person responds to the social environment around them caused by them living their identity. The cause can just as easily, and as much, be attributed to social pressures as the identity itself.
 
I thought maybe some of the transgender activists here, who have been affirming that transgender people are much better off if they transition to the opposite sex -- I thought MAYBE some of them would show us the actual research. NOT just the politically correct affirmations.

So basically you Wan...to know, and you created an OP so that others would do the work for you.
 
One thing to remember is that you need to make distinctions between the reasons for the suicides...the actual gender identity issues OR how the person responds to the social environment around them caused by them living their identity. The cause can just as easily, and as much, be attributed to social pressures as the identity itself.

The research would be very difficult to do, and to interpret. Which is often the cause with psychological and medical research.

But at least we could get some idea if transitioning is a good idea, if there were longterm studies comparing transitioned vs not transitioned. It would be difficult, and I could not find any, probably because there isn't any. Unless some of the oh so wise activists here know about research that is factual and scientific, rather than emotional and politically correct.
 
Your reply is just the same old transgender activism without a speck of science.

I told you the science can be found elsewhere. Go google it.

As for the 'activism', it's just plain truth: people whose dreams go unfulfilled can fall into depression. Depression can lead to suicide. What that dream is depends on the person, but nobody likes to live an unfulfilled life.
 
So basically you Wan...to know, and you created an OP so that others would do the work for you.

NO!! There have been many comments here from people who are SURE that it is urgent for gender dysphoric people to transition! But they never posted any research.
 
The research would be very difficult to do, and to interpret. Which is often the cause with psychological and medical research.

But at least we could get some idea if transitioning is a good idea, if there were longterm studies comparing transitioned vs not transitioned. It would be difficult, and I could not find any, probably because there isn't any. Unless some of the oh so wise activists here know about research that is factual and scientific, rather than emotional and politically correct.

And so you look to Internet posters for that? To provide better summaries and evaluations than are already included in the peer-reviewed studies?

Are you just looking for laypeople to explain things in simpler terms?
 
I couldn't find any scientific research showing longterm effects of changing sex with surgery and hormones, as compared to being gender dysphoric and not changing.

Transgender activism tells us that gender dysphoric people have a high rate of suicide, and therefore they must not be prevented from transitioning. But they don't tell us what the rate of suicide is for gender dysphorics who do transition.

I also have not seen research on the longterm effects of taking opposite sex hormones.

And what about the sex lives of transgenders? Can surgically created genitals be experienced as similar to real ones? It doesn't seem possible. Have any scientists bothered to study this?

You are WRONG. There are many things that have not been researched. There are infinitely MORE things that have not been researched than things that have been researched. It is INCREDIBLY ignorant to be unaware of this!

And of the things that have been researched, a large percent of the research is defective or deceptive.

I thought maybe some of the transgender activists here, who have been affirming that transgender people are much better off if they transition to the opposite sex -- I thought MAYBE some of them would show us the actual research. NOT just the politically correct affirmations.

If it's modern medicine, of course it has been researched. Google it.

You can't just walk in, with a personal viewpoint and no ammo whatsoever on an easily googled question and scream, 'show me the evidence!' Give us nothing and ask us to prove you wrong. That's not 'debating politics', that is trolling.

Your whole position is 'I haven't seen it, I haven't seen it,' as if it doesn't exist. Well, it does. Go to the links I provided above and 'see'.
 
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I told you the science can be found elsewhere. Go google it.

As for the 'activism', it's just plain truth: people whose dreams go unfulfilled can fall into depression. Depression can lead to suicide. What that dream is depends on the person, but nobody likes to live an unfulfilled life.

Oh just stop. You have never seen any research, or you would post it. And gee, are you saying everyone's dreams must be fulfilled or they will get depressed? Oh, then we MUST as a society MAKE SURE that ALL DREAMS GET FILLED.

I'm dreamin of some things gonna send in my list to get it fulfilled. Otherwise, I threaten to get depressed.
 
NO!! There have been many comments here from people who are SURE that it is urgent for gender dysphoric people to transition! But they never posted any research.

So far your posts dont sound like you'd trust any studies nor be able to accurately interpret them. You seem to hold all in suspicion.

IMO, now I believe you are just looking for a platform to dismiss the validity of transgendered individuals, but again, that's just IMO.
 
The research would be very difficult to do, and to interpret. Which is often the cause with psychological and medical research.
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More BS, I dont believe that. Transgendered individuals undergo a great deal of psychological counseling. There would be records of their perspectives and conversations before suicides. Investigations after (friends, teachers, family, social media, behavior, etc)

Suicide in general is one of the most highly researched areas in psychiatry. :roll:
 
So far your posts dont sound like you'd trust any studies nor be able to accurately interpret them. You seem to hold all in suspicion.

IMO, now I believe you are just looking for a platform to dismiss the validity of transgendered individuals, but again, that's just IMO.

I am very skeptical, and I think it's a fad brought on by activism and political correctness. You are free to show me convincing scientific research.
 
More BS, I dont believe that. Transgendered individuals undergo a great deal of psychological counseling. There would be records of their perspectives and conversations before suicides. Investigations after (friends, teachers, family, social media, behavior, etc)

Suicide in general is one of the most highly researched areas in psychiatry. :roll:

So where are the comparisons between transgenders who transition and those who don't? If you're so clever.
 
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