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Joys of living single

Good4Nothin said:
Well yeah, a lot of people are not interested in speculating about the unknowable. But there is plenty of evidence, since people have been communicating with beings in other dimensions since forever. They always did, and they still do.

Of course the atheist/materialists have their all-purpose answer to this -- it's all hallucinations. Well that's easy enough to say, if you are determined to be an atheist/materialist no matter what the evidence.

And there are many other reasons for believing in other realities. Physics definitely suggests it.
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In addition to the other flaws in your statements (already pointed out), you here present an utterly fatal flaw: a "dimension" is not a place. A dimension is a direction in which existence can happen. Length is a direction existence can happen. Length is not a place. Etc.

You're using the word in the way that sci-fi typically misuses it, as if you mean "another universe." To the extent physics leaves open the possibility of a multi-verse, precisely nothing about the physics that leaves the possibility open indicates there would be any possible interactions between universes. The concept is incoherent.
 
TheGoverness said:
You obviously do have a misunderstanding, because if you understood what actually constitutes as valid evidence, you would understand that anecdotal personal experiences do not constitute as evidence that is testable and falsifiable.

Someone saying they spoke to spirts/transcended into another reality/etc. is not evidence that that actually happened.
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But it's unintelligent to deny everything that has not been studied with controlled experiments. Most things have not.
 
Good4Nothin said:
And you, of course, know all about everything. Nothing left to discover about this life.
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Presenting a Strawman does not make a valid argument. Either address my post or admit your just pushing woo.
 
Royal PITA said:
ROFL How about "Hint: this is not ****ing hard"? It means exists beyond mortal existence.

There is no evidence anything of the person exists beyond the physical universe. That's why it's spiritual, not physical or mental. At the moment, it can't be measured.

Imagine traveling back 10,000 years with an iPhone. It exists but you'd have no way to charge it, no Wifi and no cell towers much less anyone to call. For a short time you'd have a neat little computer and a flashlight. If you had a solar charger, you could keep using it until one or the other breaks, most likely the charging cord first. Regardless, does that negate the existence of radio waves? The physics of what allows it to work? Of course not. The concept that a part of us, some believe all living things, transcends death is very old and cross-cultural. We can't say it definitely exists but neither can we can it definitely doesn't exist.

Still, there's the big mystery of why the Universe came into existence. Some don't care. It just "is". Others are curious. Some of those that don't care like to attack those who are curious. Some of those who are curious like to attack those who don't care. Regardless of who is attacking whom, both tend to be idiots. Not for believing what they believe but for seeking to force or bully others into believing what they believe.
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The above is not an argument. It’s gibberish. I’ll give you benefit of doubt and call it wishful thinking, pure conjecture with no basis in reality: wistful. I’m dealing in facts here. You spew woo.
 
calamity said:
Presenting a Strawman does not make a valid argument. Either address my post or admit your just pushing woo.
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You think that by calling something "woo" you prove it isn't real.
 
Good4Nothin said:
You think that by calling something "woo" you prove it isn't real.
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It’s woo: spewed nonsense with no supporting evidence. May as well say our minds reside in Lucky Charms.
 
TheGoverness said:
Of course value is relative, and that's not what my argument is. It's all going to be arbitrary, because it's a perspective, a perspective that not everyone is going to share. When it comes to me and how I value myself, I place my life's value on certain things. In the grand scale of things, is me, a small human on a small, probably insignificant planet in a ever expanding universe going to make much of an imprint? No, not really. But I don't care about that, because it's not insignificant to me; it's all I know. I don't care if I'm more valuable than an asteroid, or whatever. What I care about is my society and the relationships that I've forged; those are entirely more important to me than grasping for some spirtual concept of "meaning".

But that's my perspective.
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Good that you finally see your value is meaningless except to yourself and, maybe, some people you know. The Universe itself doesn't give a damn whether you live or die. Same goes for most people. Which brings us back to my original comment about those who believe we are soulless meat computers responding to biochemical programming. You are only worth the sum of your component parts and even that value is relative to who is buying and selling. The Universe doesn't care.
 
TheGoverness said:
You obviously do have a misunderstanding, because if you understood what actually constitutes as valid evidence, you would understand that anecdotal personal experiences do not constitute as evidence that is testable and falsifiable.

Someone saying they spoke to spirts/transcended into another reality/etc. is not evidence that that actually happened.
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Agreed, which brings us back to the fact people are valueless except to themselves.
 
calamity said:
The above is not an argument. It’s gibberish. I’ll give you benefit of doubt and call it wishful thinking, pure conjecture with no basis in reality: wistful. I’m dealing in facts here. You spew woo.
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It's an unsubstantiated idea. You are free to believe, like Stalin and Mao, that murdering millions for a greater idea is fine. Therefore, launching a few nukes, killing millions, but allowing millions of others to survive is logical. Logical = truth = right. People have no value except to themselves. If you want to assert that mass murder is wrong, then prove why. The only answers you can possibly have are purely arbitrary. Since you can't it's wrong to commit mass murder, it's you that is spewing woo.
 
Royal PITA said:
Good that you finally see your value is meaningless except to yourself and, maybe, some people you know. The Universe itself doesn't give a damn whether you live or die. Same goes for most people. Which brings us back to my original comment about those who believe we are soulless meat computers responding to biochemical programming. You are only worth the sum of your component parts and even that value is relative to who is buying and selling. The Universe doesn't care.
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I don't need "the universe" to care about me, or give me some purpose. I make that on my own. I find value within myself and the people that I hold dear. I don't need to believe in spritual transendance or whatever to set out a purpose for my life.
 
calamity said:
They invited their friends to accompany them on outings more; spent more time talking to their neighbors and staying in touch with family.
The findings showed that widowed, divorced and never-married individuals socialized with their friends up to 45% more frequently than their married counterparts.
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OK, sorry, but I find my beloved wife way prettier, sexier, and better company than my friends, neighbors, and extended family.

I can see that. Being in a monogamous relationship does tend to resemble living on a small private island we call the nuclear family.
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There is a reason for that. It's because it's pretty darn good to live with a wife when you do deeply and genuinely love her. I'd say, it's a rather comfy private island!!!

I can understand that for people in lousy relationships, it's likely to be hell. I'm lucky that I'm in a very good relationship with a gorgeous woman who is also a wonderful person, so, no complaints. Sure, we still see our friends. We invite them over for dinner, sometimes we go out with them double dating, sometimes I go on my own to football games with my male friends, she goes on her own shopping with her girlfriends... We go see the extended families for major holidays or bring them here... and we even go to neighborhood parties from time to time. It's not like we are isolated, hibernating bears.

But we also love to spend a good weekend together, watching Netflix movies, cooking for ourselves, drinking wine and making love. And I'll tell you, it's not just a passing infatuation. We've been married for a loooooooong time and it is still darn good.

So, this all depends. Great quality of life can be obtained from a good romantic/marital relationship; if people are in unlucky marriages that then end, sure, they are probably better off living alone and frequenting friends, extended family, and neighbors, but I find it hard to believe that they are happier than people in healthy and loving relationships.

Instead, singles cast a wide net of friends that better support them in all walks of life."
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BETTER support? I love my friends, they are lovely people, but frankly, none of them is able to support me in all walks of life as well as my wife does. She is by far my best support, always there for me if I'm having a hard time at work or if I'm sick or something else.

Who are those people to say that friends do it any BETTER???

Again, it depends on the wife. A very good and supportive wife like mine delivers way more important support than any friend would be able to.
 
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calamity said:
I can’t say that I’ve experienced enough of it to make a call, but if I ever found myself single again, I’d probably make a concerted effort to stay that way. Living with others has its challenges.

Singles Awareness Day: The benefits of being single - CNN



I can see that. Being in a monogamous relationship does tend to resemble living on a small private island we call the nuclear family.
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Love being single... if I want to golf or surf, at the drop of a hat I go. Eat out whenever? Yep. Lots more, but it is good.

Loved being married and in relationships... but this is a different kind of great.
 
TheGoverness said:
I don't need "the universe" to care about me, or give me some purpose. I make that on my own. I find value within myself and the people that I hold dear. I don't need to believe in spritual transendance or whatever to set out a purpose for my life.
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You know that has as much (or as little) relevance as those who believe in magical sky faeries, Santa Claus or any other form of Woo? It's an illusion induced by millions of years of evolution on carbon-based life forms. It's like programming a computer to make it think it's self-aware and alive which, of course, it's not.
 
TheGoverness said:
I don't need "the universe" to care about me, or give me some purpose. I make that on my own. I find value within myself and the people that I hold dear. I don't need to believe in spritual transendance or whatever to set out a purpose for my life.
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I don't need to believe in it either. I believe in it because it is real.
 
Royal PITA said:
It's an unsubstantiated idea. You are free to believe, like Stalin and Mao, that murdering millions for a greater idea is fine. Therefore, launching a few nukes, killing millions, but allowing millions of others to survive is logical. Logical = truth = right. People have no value except to themselves. If you want to assert that mass murder is wrong, then prove why. The only answers you can possibly have are purely arbitrary. Since you can't it's wrong to commit mass murder, it's you that is spewing woo.
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More gibberish in a failed attempt to push forth woo.
 
Royal PITA said:
You know that has as much (or as little) relevance as those who believe in magical sky faeries, Santa Claus or any other form of Woo? It's an illusion induced by millions of years of evolution on carbon-based life forms. It's like programming a computer to make it think it's self-aware and alive which, of course, it's not.
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Self aware enough to communicate in symbols on electronic devices that teams of self aware humans developed over the years by using logic, experience, memory and innovation. That's not bad for bags of meat.
 
calamity said:
Self aware enough to communicate in symbols on electronic devices that teams of self aware humans developed over the years by using logic, experience, memory and innovation. That's not bad for bags of meat.
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Computers communicate with each other all the time. Many modern systems have multiple computers communicating with each other. It's only a matter of time until we build one that is not only as smart and as self-aware as ourselves, but which can make themselves even more powerful and intelligent. This means they will be much more efficient than the bags of meat thus rendering the bags of meat obsolete.
 
Royal PITA said:
LOL. Clearly you don't see clearly. :)

Meanwhile, did I miss why you wanted to leave your wife and start a promiscuous life as a bachelor?
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Longing for a chance to revisit my thirties?
 
Royal PITA said:
Computers communicate with each other all the time. Many modern systems have multiple computers communicating with each other. It's only a matter of time until we build one that is not only as smart and as self-aware as ourselves, but which can make themselves even more powerful and intelligent. This means they will be much more efficient than the bags of meat thus rendering the bags of meat obsolete.
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There is no reason to think computers will ever be smart. Just another atheist myth.
 
calamity said:
Define "smart."
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They will never have real intelligence. They will always be automatons that follow instructions. They will never have as much intelligence as a one-celled organism, let alone a human being.
 
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