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[W:363]accepting gay as normal

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dixon01767 said:
From BC Roman law-

Mater semper certa est ("The mother is always certain")
"pater semper incertus est" ("The father is always uncertain")
"pater est, quem nuptiae demonstrant" ("father is to whom marriage points")....

"matrimonium was then an institution involving a mother, mater. The idea implicit in the word is that a man took a woman in marriage, in matrimonium ducere, so that he might have children by her."

and even still today-

Sec. 160.204. PRESUMPTION OF PATERNITY. (a) A man is presumed to be the father of a child if:

(1) he is married to the mother of the child and the child is born during the marriage;


If it were about contract rights it would be open to any two consenting adults who desire to make such a contract. But still today, closely related couples are excluded because they might procreate with unfavorable genetic results.
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Which still doesn't support your asinine assertion and historical illiteracy.

Nice fail.
 
ArtemisBarca said:
The child was considered property too in both Roman times and in common law..
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Irrelevant to my point. In ancient Mesopotamia a marriage was like the purchase of a slave and the wife was the property, except the man got a refund on the price paid if his wife didn't produce a child.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Which still doesn't support your asinine assertion and historical illiteracy.

Nice fail.
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Actually it perfectly demonstrates my point. Thus your response void of any substance relevant to my point.
 
dixon01767 said:
That's why I instead stated -
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...and, there is reason 101 on why the nuclear family is obsolete. Stupid quaint concepts from the 1950's need to be erased from human memory.

I suggest reeducation camps.

We'll institute those when Biden wins...after freeing all the illegal immigrants and registering them to vote, of course.
 
dixon01767 said:
No word games. You are again confused. You state



And yet I can use the forum search function and see that you haven't spoken of "unequal" ANYTHING since December 4, 2019 and that was regarding a completely unrelated topic. I think you get lost as you grasp about for refuge in a strawman.
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Instead of floundering about trying to play word games... state your argument or address mine.
 
dixon01767 said:
Only men and women could create a nuclear family.
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for sure...

Because the “nuclear” family is specifically defined as man, woman and 2.5 kids..

I don’t know what your point would be by that..

That is like saying a gay couple “can never be a heterosexual couple”..

Well duh.. that’s the definition of heterosexual.


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ecofarm said:
Sperm and eggs don't create a family.
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He is right..

Nuclear family is defined as man, woman and 2.5 kids...I think..

I’m not sure what his point was, but we have fairly established the definition of nuclear family. Lol


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dixon01767 said:
Only men and women could create a nuclear family.
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Nuclear family is:

Definition of nuclear family
: a family group that consists only of parents and children

Nuclear Family | Definition of Nuclear Family by Merriam-Webster

One could argue that this also includes grandparents if they are living with their children and their children's children.

The parents can be heterosexual, homosexual or any other gender.

The quoted term is "UNEQUAL" rights, not equal rights. The post of his I was responding to spoke of "EQUAL rights"
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Word Games or you have comprehension problems. If a party does not have equal rights then their rights are not the same as another parties rights, thus unequal. Either way, despite your word games... if homosexuals are not allowed to marry they are being denied the right to get married.
 
ArtemisBarca said:
He is right..

Nuclear family is defined as man, woman and 2.5 kids...

I’m not sure what his point was, but we have established the definition of nuclear family. Lol
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Biology didn't make that. If it did, most orphans wouldn't be orphans.
 
ArtemisBarca said:
for sure...

Because the “nuclear” family is specifically defined as man, woman and 2.5 kids..
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And a white picket fence and a black maid...
 
ecofarm said:
Biology didn't make that. If it did, most orphans wouldn't be orphans.
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For sure.. I was just pointing out he said the equivalent of ,

, “a straight couple can never be a homosexual couple..”


Well duh.... that is the definition of “homosexual couple”. Lol


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ArtemisBarca said:
For sure.. I was just pointing out he said the equivalent of ,

, “a straight couple can never be a homosexual couple..”


Well duh.... that is the definition of “homosexual couple”. Lol
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His view is blood based loyalty, nothing more.
 
Bodhisattva said:
No, he isn't.

Definition of nuclear family
: a family group that consists only of parents and children

Nuclear Family | Definition of Nuclear Family by Merriam-Webster
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“English Language Learners Definition of nuclear family
: the part of a family that includes only the father, mother, and children”



I just got that from your site, as well as the most viewed recent use on the web being,

“The ideoloization of the nuclear families strict gender roles..”


Source in quote*


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Bodhisattva said:
Nuclear family is:

Definition of nuclear family
: a family group that consists only of parents and children

Nuclear Family | Definition of Nuclear Family by Merriam-Webster

One could argue that this also includes grandparents if they are living with their children and their children's children.

The parents can be heterosexual, homosexual or any other gender.



Word Games or you have comprehension problems. If a party does not have equal rights then their rights are not the same as another parties rights, thus unequal. Either way, despite your word games... if homosexuals are not allowed to marry they are being denied the right to get married.
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I don’t think one could argue that it included grandparents when raising the kids..

It is a descriptive term with a specific meaning and definition..


The base issue here is that people are assigning a moral authority to a neutral descriptive term..

You can have a nuclear family where dad is molesting the kids..

Nuclear family simply refers to “ mother , father and kids”. Full stop.. period..


Not the “super desirable set up of ....” not “the horribly outdated way of looking at a family unit...”


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ArtemisBarca said:
I would go American conservative propaganda, but whatever.
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Few American conservatives see family and other social structures as blood loyalty.
 
ArtemisBarca said:
“English Language Learners Definition of nuclear family
: the part of a family that includes only the father, mother, and children”



I just got that from your site, as well as the most viewed recent use on the web being,

“The ideoloization of the nuclear families strict gender roles..”


Source in quote*


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Thank you. Yes, it can consist of that but it is not exclusive to that... as the main definition shows. Here is another example:

"Nuclear family, also called elementary family, in sociology and anthropology, a group of people who are united by ties of partnership and parenthood and consisting of a pair of adults and their socially recognized children. Typically, but not always, the adults in a nuclear family are married. Although such couples are most often a man and a woman, the definition of the nuclear family has expanded with the advent of same-sex marriage. Children in a nuclear family may be the couple’s biological or adopted offspring."

Nuclear family | anthropology | Britannica
 
ArtemisBarca said:
I don’t think one could argue that it included grandparents when raising the kids..

It is a descriptive term with a specific meaning and definition..


The base issue here is that people are assigning a moral authority to a neutral descriptive term..

You can have a nuclear family where dad is molesting the kids..

Nuclear family simply refers to “ mother , father and kids”. Full stop.. period..


Not the “super desirable set up of ....” not “the horribly outdated way of looking at a family unit...”


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Agreed that the nuclear family model does not mean best case example of a healthy family...

...and no, it does not mean ma, pa and kids, full stop.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Agreed that the nuclear family model does not mean best case example of a healthy family...

...and no, it does not mean ma, pa and kids, full stop.
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According to the dictionary it does lol..


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ArtemisBarca said:
According to the dictionary it does lol..


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I just posted you a definition by Merriam Webster that shows that it is not exclusive to your narrow view of it.

Debate better...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Thank you. Yes, it can consist of that but it is not exclusive to that... as the main definition shows. Here is another example:

"Nuclear family, also called elementary family, in sociology and anthropology, a group of people who are united by ties of partnership and parenthood and consisting of a pair of adults and their socially recognized children. Typically, but not always, the adults in a nuclear family are married. Although such couples are most often a man and a woman, the definition of the nuclear family has expanded with the advent of same-sex marriage. Children in a nuclear family may be the couple’s biological or adopted offspring."

Nuclear family | anthropology | Britannica
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That is worse.....


“Nuclear family, also called elementary family, in sociology and anthropology, a group of people who are united by ties of partnership and parenthood and consisting of a pair of adults and their socially recognized children. Typically, but not always, the adults in a nuclear family are married. Although such couples are most often a man and a woman, the definition of the nuclear family has expanded with the advent of same-sex marriage. Children in a nuclear family may be the couple’s biological or adopted offspring.”


Now , assuming this is not only referencing the psychological text books specific terminology...

(The “noun” : definition gave the traditional definition I quoted, with no disclaimer..)


And Really not referring to the colloquial sense at all.. That is both stupid and counterproductive...

There are few better ways to make the cartoon conservative conspiracy theorists case than to take words that already have neutral definitions and PC them up...


History is a cycle of revolution and counter-revolution..

Two steps forward and 1 steps back.

ANY thing that can even remotely be considered over reach will backfire on the initial revolution by multiples..

Often with little or no over reach at all, just the perception of such. So giving the yokel low hanging fruit to point to is just super silly..


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