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[W:363]accepting gay as normal

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Peter King said:
First of all, you saying Up front, I am not in favor of...... usually comes with a big "BUT" at the end of it.

One, "the liberal left" working hard for gays to be accepted as any other person is not to the detriment of us all. Sodom and Gomorrah is a fable out of a fantasy book, it is ludicrous to base views or political decisions made on such a story. And it is logical that most shows have a gay element in it, unlike in the past most television shows try to emulate reality and in reality gayness is a normal thing. It is more the conservative agenda to try and keep out gays off television and it is the conservative agenda to try and kick the gays back into the dark where conservatives feel they belong. Not seen and not heard so to speak.

And as long as you do not have an issue with 2 straight people kissing, I do not see the big deal with 2 gays kissing from time to time. They are regular people like the rest of us and they kiss too, just like straight people.

Two, I have this question of conservatives, you have brainwashed people into believing that there is nothing worse than being gay, causing millions of gay people incredible hardships because they were, upon coming out, ostracized by their family because the conservative morality police has for centuries demonized gays and being gay. It is not parents today who are the problem, it is the conservative twisted ideology of keeping on demonizing gays that is the issue.

You cannot help being gay, trying to make them feel like monsters and abnormal has never helped anybody.

And the idiocy of your "well if gay sex is normal non-gay boys will start fornicating at sleepovers wtih other boys. Which is BULL ****.
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You are of course welcome to you feel good opinion.
 
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Da Mole said:
Hey, great solution. If you can't control it just legalize it. Why don't we just legalize all the other stuff we can't seem to control also like petty crimes, running toll booths, jumping turnstyles, spitting on the sidewalk. jaywalking, tax cheating, lying on the witness stand and on and on. Sound like liberal utopia to me.
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What did Kenny Rogers say? Know when to hold em, know when to fold em?

Overrunning our jails and prisons for victimless petty crimes is flat out stupid. We cant afford it, and not because we help the less fortunate, but because its simply untenable. If we took every dollar in social assistance given out and gave it to the prison industrial complex, it STILL wouldnt cover the bill.

Taxes from legal marijuana sales in my city are getting us 15 new firefighter, new equipment for them and our SWAT teams, and a couple of buses for a local school district. Seems like a way better use of funds than holding 10 guys who had an ounce of bud for the next 3 years, doesnt it?
 
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Da Mole said:
I think your saying the legalization of pot does not affect the amount of its use and of course I do not agree. Would you also say that dropping the age limit for the consumption of alcohol to 16 would not raise the incident of teen drinking. I don't agree with that either.
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The problem is you're comparing apples and dump trucks here. Why not cite a graph of beef per capita consumption? See, when beef is cheaper, consumption goes up! That's why gay sex should be kept off TV!! For the CHILDREN!!
 
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Da Mole said:
Hey, great solution. If you can't control it just legalize it. Why don't we just legalize all the other stuff we can't seem to control also like petty crimes, running toll booths, jumping turnstyles, spitting on the sidewalk. jaywalking, tax cheating, lying on the witness stand and on and on. Sound like liberal utopia to me.
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That's not really the analysis. It would be nice if the country would just ban everything YOU don't like, but to attach criminal penalties to something, like smoking pot, there should be some reduction in harm commensurate with the loss of liberty for those jailed for getting high, or supplying them, in a way you don't like.

So, can you demonstrate the societal benefits from the War on Pot, and that will be reversed now that it's legal in some states, and hopefully nationwide soon, and compare that to the immense costs of pot prohibition over the decades? It's a rhetorical question - you cannot.

Now do alcohol. It's legal, and the costs are immense. Weird don't you think?

Maybe in a free society we leave those decisions up to the individual except in extraordinary cases. Pot isn't one of those.
 
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Da Mole said:
Hey, great solution. If you can't control it just legalize it. Why don't we just legalize all the other stuff we can't seem to control also like petty crimes, running toll booths, jumping turnstyles, spitting on the sidewalk. jaywalking, tax cheating, lying on the witness stand and on and on. Sound like liberal utopia to me.
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The sane have quit treating homosexuality as a crime since about 1979. It's the 21st century. Time to put foolish old superstitions behind us is now.
 
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Da Mole said:
You are of course welcome to you feel good opinion.
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And history, of course.

What is feel good is your stance on the matter. It comes without a shred of evidence to back it up, however.

On the other hand, history proves that homosexuality existing didnt prevent the progress of the species. It has existed since the beginning of human history, and yet somehow, we still keep on procreating ourselves into the future.

I guess gays existing ISNT gonna end us all. Whodathunkit?
 
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Da Mole said:
Get real-------I did not say they would become gay. I said that they would perform gay sex acts because there was no stigma against it.
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As long as it's between consenting adults, why is it any business of yours? Isn't this how governments become more authoritarian? Peeking in the bedrooms, trying to count how many guns a person owns? Examining their reading materials and political affiliations?
 
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Da Mole said:
Your last statement requires clarification from me. Of course after the liberal left has forced down our throats the notion that gay sex is normal, acceptable,
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They haven't forced anything down your throat. You are free to change the channel or watch another movie. The vast majority of society has no problem with gay people, but that doesn't mean that you are being persecuted for hearing their opinion all the time.

main stream without any stigma whatsoever that straight (normal) men will turn gay is false. What I am saying is after all this indoctrination regarding the acceptance of perverted sexual behavior, this is the end result. Young teens with raging out of control hormones who are looking for sexual release with be willing to accept sexual favors from a gay person without needing to reciprocate, in other words get but don't give. I can't prove it will happen and you can't prove that it won't but if honest you have to admit the possibility. Will you?
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I was a teenager with those raging hormones, no success with women, and was completely ok with people being gay. But did I turn gay? No, I mostly looked at porn and jerked off, to women. I have no sexual attraction to men and men just doesn't satisfy my hormones at all. If I tried it with men because I was horny, I would be very disappointed because men just don't do it for me. Getting or giving a bj or in the ass with a guy just isn't at all appealing.

I am very attracted to women and I have found no way of erasing or replacing that attraction short of castration. I don't see how accepting gays as normal will somehow make me give up women forever and have sex with men when I have zero sexual desire toward them. As you said, you can't prove it will happen, so you don't have a shred of evidence for this pseudo-psychiatry.

But maybe, it will happen with you. If it does, then maybe you need to come to terms with who you really are. Maybe a very few people have some gay attraction, and gay normality will result in them trying it. Maybe some people have some major mental issues and will try it because its ok, but they need to seek help for their issues, because its their issues thats the problem not gay acceptance.
 
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beefheart said:
You are threatened by something that isn't threatening.

That is no way to go through life.
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Agreed. A "phobia" is an irrational fear of something such as a fear of heights, spiders or, as in this case, homosexuality.

Some of us here know that the worst anti-smoking or anti-drinking people are former smokers and/or drinkers. Likewise, in the case of homosexuals, there are studies showing that some who hate homosexuals are latent homosexuals themselves. Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals - Scientific American In short, in the case of these people, their repressed desire to commit homosexual acts is driving them to hate all homosexuals.

Alternatively, some poor souls just like to hate. I suspect these latter people are just weak, cowardly people of such low potential that they seek to hate and bully others simply to make themselves feel better. It'd be pathetic if it wasn't so dangerous to our society.
 
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distraff said:
They haven't forced anything down your throat. You are free to change the channel or watch another movie. The vast majority of society has no problem with gay people, but that doesn't mean that you are being persecuted for hearing their opinion all the time.



I was a teenager with those raging hormones, no success with women, and was completely ok with people being gay. But did I turn gay? No, I mostly looked at porn and jerked off, to women. I have no sexual attraction to men and men just doesn't satisfy my hormones at all. If I tried it with men because I was horny, I would be very disappointed because men just don't do it for me. Getting or giving a bj or in the ass with a guy just isn't at all appealing.

I am very attracted to women and I have found no way of erasing or replacing that attraction short of castration. I don't see how accepting gays as normal will somehow make me give up women forever and have sex with men when I have zero sexual desire toward them. As you said, you can't prove it will happen, so you don't have a shred of evidence for this pseudo-psychiatry.

But maybe, it will happen with you. If it does, then maybe you need to come to terms with who you really are. Maybe a very few people have some gay attraction, and gay normality will result in them trying it. Maybe some people have some major mental issues and will try it because its ok, but they need to seek help for their issues, because its their issues thats the problem not gay acceptance.
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The bold pretty much sums it up. Trust me on this. If I could get off by getting off with dudes, I'd be all over it like a cheap suit.

Dudes are easy and stupid. Hell, they'd be buying me drinks. And then would come the cars, houses and even small companies, if I played my cards right. :)
 
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Da Mole said:
Your last statement requires clarification from me. Of course after the liberal left has forced down our throats the notion that gay sex is normal, acceptable, main stream without any stigma whatsoever that straight (normal) men will turn gay is false. What I am saying is after all this indoctrination regarding the acceptance of perverted sexual behavior, this is the end result. Young teens with raging out of control hormones who are looking for sexual release with be willing to accept sexual favors from a gay person without needing to reciprocate, in other words get but don't give. I can't prove it will happen and you can't prove that it won't but if honest you have to admit the possibility. Will you?
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It's kind of funny when people critical of gays use the term "forced down our throats." Rush uses it a lot. I've always wondered if he's in the closet...
 
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distraff said:
They haven't forced anything down your throat. You are free to change the channel or watch another movie. The vast majority of society has no problem with gay people, but that doesn't mean that you are being persecuted for hearing their opinion all the time.



I was a teenager with those raging hormones, no success with women, and was completely ok with people being gay. But did I turn gay? No, I mostly looked at porn and jerked off, to women. I have no sexual attraction to men and men just doesn't satisfy my hormones at all. If I tried it with men because I was horny, I would be very disappointed because men just don't do it for me. Getting or giving a bj or in the ass with a guy just isn't at all appealing.

I am very attracted to women and I have found no way of erasing or replacing that attraction short of castration. I don't see how accepting gays as normal will somehow make me give up women forever and have sex with men when I have zero sexual desire toward them. As you said, you can't prove it will happen, so you don't have a shred of evidence for this pseudo-psychiatry.

But maybe, it will happen with you. If it does, then maybe you need to come to terms with who you really are. Maybe a very few people have some gay attraction, and gay normality will result in them trying it. Maybe some people have some major mental issues and will try it because its ok, but they need to seek help for their issues, because its their issues thats the problem not gay acceptance.
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But I don't understand why it didn't interest you. You say its perfectly normal. Apparently it isn't so normal
 
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Integrityrespec said:
But I don't understand why it didn't interest you. You say its perfectly normal. Apparently it isn't so normal
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I understand that it is perfectly normal to like mayonnaise, its a perfectly normal ingredient on food, and most people like it. However, I personally just can't stand the white slimy stuff! You see, I understand that just because I personally don't like something, doesn't mean everyone else must also not like it too. I understand that everyone is different and has their own unique individual tastes.
 
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calamity said:
The bold pretty much sums it up. Trust me on this. If I could get off by getting off with dudes, I'd be all over it like a cheap suit.

Dudes are easy and stupid. Hell, they'd be buying me drinks. And then would come the cars, houses and even small companies, if I played my cards right. :)
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Exactly. Nobody choose to have hormones when we went through puberty. I did not choose to be horny for women, in fact it would be nice to turn it off sometimes. And you and I can't choose to change that attraction any more than we can choose to find rhesus monkeys sexually attractive instead of humans.
 
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Integrityrespec said:
But I don't understand why it didn't interest you. You say its perfectly normal. Apparently it isn't so normal
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You are correct....its not all that normal. It is, however, perfectly NATURAL. It comes about with no outside interference.

Learn the difference between those two words. They arent one and the same.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
If you think about it, this makes sense.

There is no actual "normal." We are all unique individuals. I have never had problems with gays, blacks, or other religions based on their race or beliefs. My problem is when they impose themselves on others, and cause problems with us so-called normal people.
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Id say the vast majority of all people agree with your general statement and its the way we all should be eventhough its rather rare that happens ever (compared to the opposite) it should be outted.

the issue is its subjective in nature and some people consider it "imposing themselves on others and causing problems" simply for wanting equal rights and not having crimes committed against them or laws broken

hell ive seen some people on this very board claim its forcing it down their throats to allow gays to marry or have parades or not to be discriminated against or simply showing gay couples on tv. The majority of people do NOT agree with that assessment and neither do laws and rights. :shrug:
 
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Integrityrespec said:
But I don't understand why it didn't interest you. You say its perfectly normal. Apparently it isn't so normal
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Being gay is very normal for a statistical minority of 3-5% of the population. They never said it is the majority but it is normal and predictable, just as being a lefty is normal for a minority of the population.

Why do you care about the sex lives of others? Are you convinced that they are trying to recruit you or your wife??

Are you enraged that LGBT people exist openly with equal rights and you cannot force them to be second-class citizens and obey your mythology?
 
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Lord of Planar said:
If you think about it, this makes sense.

There is no actual "normal." We are all unique individuals. I have never had problems with gays, blacks, or other religions based on their race or beliefs. My problem is when they impose themselves on others, and cause problems with us so-called normal people.
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And what exactly are gays, blacks and other religions doing to impose themselves on you normies?
 
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Da Mole said:
At this point in my life I do not have any teenagers but if I did, do I not have the right to be concerned about their behavior? Is is my business and I wish that you and yours would stay out of it.
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So let me make sure I understand you. The 'raging hormones' that drive heterosexual behavior in teens is not your concern. Your concern is with the 'raging hormones' that would drive a heterosexual to homosexual behavior? And you're saying that the only thing that stops a straight male teen from performing homosexual acts is that in your circle there is a stigma associated with such acts. And you propose that the stigma is a good thing.

Before I comment further I need you to either confirm my understanding or correct it.
 
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Da Mole said:
No doubt, it is progress but to what end. It might make many feel nice and fuzzy inside standing up for and protecting the gay lifestyle but what good is it as a whole. Sure the individual wins but are the few more important?
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How does leaving gays the hell alone, allowing them the same rights and privileges as anyone else diminish your life? How is your life impacted negatively if you see two gay men kissing?

You mentioned all the gay characters you see on TV, in commercials and the like. You know what else we see? We see mixed race couples (pisses my FIL off something fierce) and single parents, and people with disabilities, and people of color all over the place. Gone are the days when all the people in commercials were white and straight. For some reason many advertisers think they ought to reach out to their potential market and that market looks different than it did fifty years ago.
 
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Da Mole said:
I think your saying the legalization of pot does not affect the amount of its use and of course I do not agree. Would you also say that dropping the age limit for the consumption of alcohol to 16 would not raise the incident of teen drinking. I don't agree with that either.
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More of what I meant, is now that it is legal, there are more open about it.
 
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swing_voter said:
Lot offered up his daughters to save an angel. If you're familiar with the rest of the story, the angel didn't need saving.
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Wierd behavior.
 
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