[W:363]accepting gay as normal

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Da Mole said:

Up front---I am not in favor of gays being attacked or victimized in any way. Their affliction is not self imposed or chosen but the result of an unfortunate act of nature and if it were the norm, most of us would not be here today.

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OK so far.... Not sure if everyone would use the "unfortunate" label, but OK.

Those, mostly on the liberal left are working hard to normalize gay behavior to the detriment of us all. How did Sodom and Gomorrah work out? The left leaning agenda has progressed so far in the media that almost every prime time show on TV includes some type of gay activity. Pandering politicians have passed laws the favor the LGBTQ crowd making them a separate protected segment of society. I have actually seen a commercial recently that had two gay men swapping spit. You can shove this stuff down my throat but I will not accept it as gospel.

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So you effectively acknowledge being gay isn't a choice, but "normalizing" gay behavior is BAD!! So instead of normalizing gay behavior, we should do what? Shun those who engage in it, ostracize them, criticize them and their behavior, treat them like deviants? That appears to be the alternative to "normalizing" them, so I'm confused. When you do those things - criticize, ostracize, treat them like deviants - what you get is gay people attacked and victimized, which you say you oppose.

Re: accepting gay as normal

Da Mole said:

Up front---I am not in favor of gays being attacked or victimized in any way. Their affliction is not self imposed or chosen but the result of an unfortunate act of nature and if it were the norm, most of us would not be here today.

Those, mostly on the liberal left are working hard to normalize gay behavior to the detriment of us all. How did Sodom and Gomorrah ....

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There was no Sodom and Gomorrah. So, I stopped there.

There are other stories and historical names which bear a resemblance to the biblical stories of Sodom and Gomorrah. Some possible natural explanations for the events described have been proposed, but no widely accepted or strongly verified sites for the cities have been found.

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Obscurity said:

Why the **** do you care?

That's my question. Why not just mind your own ****ing business?

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At this point in my life I do not have any teenagers but if I did, do I not have the right to be concerned about their behavior? Is is my business and I wish that you and yours would stay out of it.

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americanwoman said:

Would you?

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What do you think?

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Da Mole said:

At this point in my life I do not have any teenagers but if I did, do I not have the right to be concerned about their behavior? Is is my business and I wish that you and yours would stay out of it.

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If you wish something to be your business that others should stay out of you might not want to make it the subject of a thread on a political discussion forum next time.

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americanwoman said:

Would you?

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To be honest, knowing how important sex was at that age, I probably would.

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JasperL said:

OK so far.... Not sure if everyone would use the "unfortunate" label, but OK.



So you effectively acknowledge being gay isn't a choice, but "normalizing" gay behavior is BAD!! So instead of normalizing gay behavior, we should do what? Shun those who engage in it, ostracize them, criticize them and their behavior, treat them like deviants? That appears to be the alternative to "normalizing" them, so I'm confused. When you do those things - criticize, ostracize, treat them like deviants - what you get is gay people attacked and victimized, which you say you oppose.

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How about instead of promoting and grandising, just ignore.

Re: accepting gay as normal

Da Mole said:

Up front---I am not in favor of gays being attacked or victimized in any way. Their affliction is not self imposed or chosen but the result of an unfortunate act of nature and if it were the norm, most of us would not be here today.

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How is it an "affliction"? Sex in human beings is for more than just procreation, so I'm not sure how sexual expression between two people is "unfortunate".

Those, mostly on the liberal left are working hard to normalize gay behavior to the detriment of us all. How did Sodom and Gomorrah work out? The left leaning agenda has progressed so far in the media that almost every prime time show on TV includes some type of gay activity. Pandering politicians have passed laws the favor the LGBTQ crowd making them a separate protected segment of society. I have actually seen a commercial recently that had two gay men swapping spit. You can shove this stuff down my throat but I will not accept it as gospel.

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How is it to the "detriment of us all"? Having people be more aware and respectful of other people's personal choices doesn't seem to be a bad thing at all. There was a time when interracial marriages were a no-no too; did that make sense to you as well? Same sex relationships are as old as humanity, since they've been a part of a wide variety of cultures. Passing laws to protect people from discrimination shouldn't be a bad thing in anyone's mind. Our society has been changing, and the younger generations don't care about the issues older generations made a fuss about.

I have this question of all parents of a young teenage boy. What will be the outcome after you have been brain washed into thinking that the gay life style is perfectly ok, it’s normal behavior and not to be questioned as if it were actually gods way.

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People who are curious are going to be curious either way; just because you stigmatize it doesn't make it go away. What you do as a parent, is guarantee you don't know about it. I'd rather have a more open relationship with my child. I have a teenage daughter, and her being brainwashed by lesbians isn't part of the concerns I have. Unless, of course, I thought she was some mindless dolt who had no mind or feelings of her own, which I certainly don't.

This is one result I see coming down the road. Guys, think back to your early teen years when you were the victim of raging hormones. To coin an old phrase---“he would screw a snake if someone held it down”. Unpleasant statement but so true, boys and men are sexually aggressive (natures way). Your sons are or will experience the same emotions and urges as will all of his friends. Remember the good old sleepovers of the past? Just what do you think will be going on when every kid there has the same view about how normal gay sex is? Got the picture in your mind. Is that really ok with you?

Your turn, go for it.

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What I'll say from personal experience, is there is no amount of normalizing gay behavior that has ever attracted me to members of my own gender. I'm all for the rights of others to love the people whom they choose to love; why anyone would want to stand between people in this regard is pretty bizarre.

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Da Mole said:

How about instead of promoting and grandising, just ignore.

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Same goes for Christian's

Re: accepting gay as normal

Da Mole said:

To be honest, knowing how important sex was at that age, I probably would.

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And, that is bad why?

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swing_voter said:

Lot offered up his daughters to save an angel. If you're familiar with the rest of the story, the angel didn't need saving.

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Dawdurs are a dime a dozen in most cultures, even to this day.

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Da Mole said:

To be honest, knowing how important sex was at that age, I probably would.

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Quit hating yourself and be proud you are bi-sexual.

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Excast said:

If you wish something to be your business that others should stay out of you might not want to make it the subject of a thread on a political discussion forum next time.

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What I meant and should have said is stay out of my business in the real world. i am not out there actively trying to make liberals turn conservative and I don't want liberals fostering gay rights on me.

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Da Mole said:

From Wikipedia.
Sodom and Gomorrah have been used historically and in modern discourse as metaphors for homosexuality, and are the origin of the English words, sodomite, a pejorative term for male homosexuals, and sodomy, which is used in a legal context to describe sexual crimes against nature, namely anal or oral sex (particularly homosexual) and bestiality.[7][8][9] This is based upon exegesis of the biblical text interpreting divine judgement upon Sodom and Gomorrah as punishment for the sin of homosexuality, though some contemporary scholars dispute this interpretation.[10][11][12] Some Islamic societies incorporate punishments associated with Sodom and Gomorrah into sharia.[13]

This is the interpretation that I based my remarks upon.

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You're familiar with the term "cherry picking", right? You read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and conclude It's justification for deploring homosexuality but you just gloss over the scene in the street where Lot offers his virgin daughters to the mob. Why doesn't the Sodom story justify treating daughters as chattel, as property to do with what you will?
This is why. Pay attention- folks who cite the Bible as support for their bigotry don't get their beliefs from the scripture. They bring their beliefs to the Bible and find the justification they want, ignoring whatever else they don't care about or find inconvenient.
Take Leviticus for another example. Bigoted Christians know by heart the phrase that's anti-gay but all those other laws that God gave to Moses, inconvenient laws, laws that would take effort to obey, they get ignored. Cherry picking.

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Da Mole said:

What I meant and should have said is stay out of my business in the real world. i am not out there actively trying to make liberals turn conservative and I don't want liberals fostering gay rights on me.

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I dont want Christian's fostering special rights for Christians on me

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Da Mole said:

What I meant and should have said is stay out of my business in the real world. i am not out there actively trying to make liberals turn conservative and I don't want liberals fostering gay rights on me.

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Are not "gay rights" simply another word for human rights?

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americanwoman said:

Quit hating yourself and be proud you are bi-sexual.

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Definitely.

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Da Mole said:

What I meant and should have said is stay out of my business in the real world. i am not out there actively trying to make liberals turn conservative and I don't want liberals fostering gay rights on me.

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Just as you are not trying to turn anyone conservative, nobody is trying to turn anyone gay, lesbian, bisexual, trans, or otherwise.

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Excast said:

Just as you are not trying to turn anyone conservative, nobody is trying to turn anyone gay, lesbian, bisexual, trans, or otherwise.

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I don't know. I hear that the "turn them gay" army is out there actively recruiting in all the liberal strongholds disguised as public schools.

Re: accepting gay as normal

Da Mole said:

At this point in my life I do not have any teenagers but if I did, do I not have the right to be concerned about their behavior? Is is my business and I wish that you and yours would stay out of it.

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Convince me it's your business what other consenting adults do with themselves.

Your kids are your kids. What you do with them is your choice. I know that generally speaking, being a ruthless christian tyrant tends to increase suicide rates among kids; if that's your goal, have at it hoss.

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calamity said:

I don't know. I hear that the "turn them gay" army is out there actively recruiting in all the liberal strongholds disguised as public schools.

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Apparently they have been very effective with the Catholic schoolgirls.

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Da Mole said:

How about instead of promoting and grandising, just ignore.

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You mean "hide." You should be honest about that.

I'll be clear that I'm not really condemning that view. I know many people are uncomfortable with gay people showing affection like straight couples do, and there's not a whole lot that can be done to change that except seeing it and it becoming normal. In the meantime, those images will make you uneasy and if the worst that happens is you express that, that's a win in my book.

I'm just pointing out that the alternative to gay people being victimized and attacked is....normalizing gay people - literally treating them as normal people like you and me but who are gay, and who, as normal people do, interact lovingly with their gay partners, like you do with your wife/girlfriend, whatever. That's what progress looks like.

Re: accepting gay as normal

Da Mole said:

What I meant and should have said is stay out of my business in the real world. i am not out there actively trying to make liberals turn conservative and I don't want liberals fostering gay rights on me.

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You don't favor gay RIGHTS?

Okee dokee! So you really are all for state sponsored or approved bigotry, including victimizing gay people, so long as they're not literally beaten up? If that answer is Yes, you really should have included that in your OP. All you're saying is you're for a kinder, softer, but very REAL victimization of gay people.

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JasperL said:

You mean "hide." You should be honest about that.

I'll be clear that I'm not really condemning that view. I know many people are uncomfortable with gay people showing affection like straight couples do, and there's not a whole lot that can be done to change that except seeing it and it becoming normal. In the meantime, those images will make you uneasy and if the worst that happens is you express that, that's a win in my book.

I'm just pointing out that the alternative to gay people being victimized and attacked is....normalizing gay people - literally treating them as normal people like you and me but who are gay, and who, as normal people do, interact lovingly with their gay partners, like you do with your wife/girlfriend, whatever. That's what progress looks like.

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No doubt, it is progress but to what end. It might make many feel nice and fuzzy inside standing up for and protecting the gay lifestyle but what good is it as a whole. Sure the individual wins but are the few more important?

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accepting gay as normal

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Well, as far as history is recorded their have been "gays"; so it would appear gays are normal. It looks to me that what's abnormal is pretending otherwise.