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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by dixon01767 View Post
    No, you just keep repeating the assertion.
    I posted a link in a post above. I've shown how it wasnt universal.

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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by dixon01767 View Post
    Well, your point was that I was "wrong", except you cant point out what I was wrong about.
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    Otherwise the kids have only the hope that someone voluntarily assumes those responsibilities.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I've posted much more than just "you're wrong", most of which you haven't addressed.

    You are wrong about parental obligation. Parental obligation can come from choosing to take on that responsibility.
    Youre demonstrating my point beautifully.

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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I posted a link in a post above. I've shown how it wasnt universal.

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    No you didn't

    There is history of recorded same-sex unions around the world.[2] Various types of same-sex unions have existed, ranging from informal, unsanctioned relationships to highly ritualized unions.

    Same sex Unions, contracts, partnership, and ritualized ceremonies. Just not marriages.

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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by dixon01767 View Post
    No you didn't

    There is history of recorded same-sex unions around the world.[2] Various types of same-sex unions have existed, ranging from informal, unsanctioned relationships to highly ritualized unions.

    Same sex Unions, contracts, partnership, and ritualized ceremonies. Just not marriages.
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    13 Facts on the History of Marriage | Live Science

    Those unions were marriages. The exact word marriage didnt exist until around 1200-1300 AD, so to say they werent marriage would mean you couldnt really call any unions marriages until that point in time.

    Marriage - Wikipedia

    Note how you left out some of the actual quote to replace with your own beliefs.

    "Various types of same-sex unions have existed, ranging from informal, unsanctioned, and temporary relationships to highly ritualized unions that have included marriage.[1]*" (dishonest much?)

    And your assertion has been that marriage was universally for child procreation and/or paternity. Your assertion is wrong. Several civilizations have had marriages that prove you wrong, such as polygamy, polygyny, group marriages, and ghost marriages. There have even been proxy marriages. How in a polygynous marriage would you use it to determine the father?

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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by dixon01767 View Post
    Youre demonstrating my point beautifully.
    The only thing kids have is the hope that someone will care for them when they are born. That does not make either bio parent obligated to do so however, regardless of how many times you assert as such. That child can be abandoned or put up for adoption. The mother could have no clue who the father is, or not disclose to the father or anyone else who he is, that she was pregnant, had a child. She could use a donor egg, which would make the child not biologically hers, whether she carried it or not.

    These are all things that easily counter your contentions on marriage and paternity.

    Note how you fail to address how parental assumptions have any affect on marriage or marriage on those assumptions. People are idiots who assume all sorts of dumb things.

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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post

    Note how you left out some of the actual quote to replace with your own beliefs.
    Notice how you lie like a dog. Was an exact quote.

    There is history of recorded same-sex unions around the world.[2] Various types of same-sex unions have existed, ranging from informal, unsanctioned relationships to highly ritualized unions.
    History of same-sex unions - Wikipedia

    But you all will always have Nero and Elagabalus as your precedent setters

    The first Roman emperor to have married a man was Nero, who is reported to have married two other males on different occasions. The first was with one of Nero's own freedmen, Pythagoras, with whom Nero took the role of the bride.[107] Later, as a groom, Nero married Sporus, a young boy, to replace the adolescent female concubine he had killed[108][109] and married him in a very public ceremony with all the solemnities of matrimony, after which Sporus was forced to pretend to be the female concubine that Nero had killed and act as though they were really married.[108] A friend gave the "bride" away as required by law. The marriage was celebrated in both Greece and Rome in extravagant public ceremonies.[110]

    Conubium existed only between a civis Romanus and a civis Romana (that is, between a male Roman citizen and a female Roman citizen), so that a marriage between two Roman males (or with a slave) would have no legal standing in Roman law (apart, presumably, from the arbitrary will of the emperor in the two aforementioned cases).[111] Furthermore, according to Susan Treggiari, "matrimonium was then an institution involving a mother, mater. The idea implicit in the word is that a man took a woman in marriage, in matrimonium ducere, so that he might have children by her."[112]
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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The only thing kids have is the hope that someone will care for them when they are born. That does not make either bio parent obligated to do so however, regardless of how many times you assert as such. That child can be abandoned or put up for adoption. The mother could have no clue who the father is, or not disclose to the father or anyone else who he is, that she was pregnant, had a child. She could use a donor egg, which would make the child not biologically hers, whether she carried it or not.

    These are all things that easily counter your contentions on marriage and paternity.

    Your not contradicting anything Ive stated. Nothing above contradicts or conflicts with anything Ive said. Slaying some strawman again?

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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by dixon01767 View Post
    Notice how you lie like a dog. Was an exact quote.

    There is history of recorded same-sex unions around the world.[2] Various types of same-sex unions have existed, ranging from informal, unsanctioned relationships to highly ritualized unions.
    History of same-sex unions - Wikipedia
    No it isnt. You have the period misplaced and left off some words.

    "Various types of same-sex unions have existed, ranging from informal, unsanctioned, and temporary relationships to highly ritualized unions that have included marriage.[1]*State-..."

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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by dixon01767 View Post
    Your not contradicting anything Ive stated. Nothing above contradicts or conflicts with anything Ive said. Slaying some strawman again?
    Yes it does. You stated that marriage has been universally between men and women for the purpose of paternity, procreation. Because men and women can procreate with each other.

    First, it has not only been between just one man and one woman universally.

    Second, it has not been limited, where it was, because of procreation or paternity, since other laws show this is wrong.

    Last, this is also not those times. In current times, right now, we dont need to assume paternity. We also have adoption, stepfamilies, and even surrogates, sperm/egg donation, IVF, which are brand new and allow everyone to be parents who are married but dont want to adopt, cant have their own children together.

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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No it isnt. You have the period misplaced and left off some words.
    People who lie like a dog dont hesitate to lie like a dog to cover for their previous lies.

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