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[W:363]accepting gay as normal

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dixon01767 said:
Im the one who advocates extending marriage to any two consenting adults who desire to be married. Most of the supporters of gay marriage here oppose such an extension. It all about the gays.
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Show where most oppose that.

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dixon01767 said:
How would that be? And how would it not do the same thing in an closely related marriage.
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The same question could well have been asked during the arguments over interracial marriage. The reality is that interracial marriage was fought for separate from any other. SSM was also fought for by itself. At some point we will see both polygamy and close relations fought for, not necessarily in the order. This is especially true for the closely related, since many laws will include the legal relations with no care towards blood. By some laws Greg and Marsha Brady would be forbidden to marry even though they share no blood.
 
roguenuke said:
My father fled 4 children at home after the 2 he wanted reached adulthood (my mom requested he not get a vasectomy after us 1st 2 so she could have more children). My father left my mother for another woman right after my sister under me turned 18.

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My Mom divorced my actual father and of course she managed to marry again to a super wonderful man.

I appreciate a man who sticks to women and accepts responsibility.
 
dixon01767 said:
Irrelevant to my assertion that they were sexually attracted to their ex wives.
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Were they? Again, many men who are come out of the closet that lived in that era, have said that they did what they had to, to stay hidden. Furthermore, a lack of sexual attraction does not mean a repulsion to having sex with those you are not sexually attracted to. If you are a gay man trying to stay hidden, maybe even from yourself, then you are going to have sex with the woman you married as part of your cover.
 
dixon01767 said:
I don't write the laws and the people who do have prohibited what you suggest by law in all 50 states.
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Since it's a discussion of what law should be, whether it is going back to what was, or creating even more freedom or leaving it as status quo, this point means nothing.
 
roguenuke said:
Show where most oppose that.

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What is your view to his wanting polygamy sanctioned into law?

How about cases where siblings decide to marry each other?

And also how about when the woman wants to marry her own father?

This is what homosexuals marrying has led us to.
 
maquiscat said:
Since it's a discussion of what law should be, whether it is going back to what was, or creating even more freedom or leaving it as status quo, this point means nothing.
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A few years back, that is what we told homosexuals too.
 
maquiscat said:
Were they? Again, many men who are come out of the closet that lived in that era, have said that they did what they had to, to stay hidden. Furthermore, a lack of sexual attraction does not mean a repulsion to having sex with those you are not sexually attracted to. If you are a gay man trying to stay hidden, maybe even from yourself, then you are going to have sex with the woman you married as part of your cover.
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I am sure a few saw it that way. Note the polygamists must also come out of the closet. Guess now homosexuals will support them, eh?
 
Robertinfremont said:
when talking about interracial marriage. <<<<<<<<< you must be talking of them as homosexuals. To stay on topic of course.
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I am on topic. The comparison of how the failed arguments attempting to prevent the legalization of interracial marriage also fail for same sex marriage is quite valid.
 
Robertinfremont said:
The question put to me was when I said homosexuals fled marriages. Not when Heterosexuals fled marriages.
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Well you said fled children, but my question is what point does that make on the topic of normalizing homosexuality when heterosexuals are as apt to do so as homosexuals.
 
maquiscat said:
I am on topic. The comparison of how the failed arguments attempting to prevent the legalization of interracial marriage also fail for same sex marriage is quite valid.
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Sorry I know that argument but call it a FAIL.

The issue is about homosexuals and not about race.
 
maquiscat said:
Well you said fled children, but my question is what point does that make on the topic of normalizing homosexuality when heterosexuals are as apt to do so as homosexuals.
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Again, my comment you want to chew on was a reply to a person who asked me about homosexuals fleeing marriages. It was not about normalizing homosexuality.
 
roguenuke said:
And cost us even more money to change the word marriage in all our laws simply because some can't handle sharing, which they would still have to do.

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Not sure I follow. Unless they purposefully word things to make sure money is spent, all you need to do is say all instances of "term A" in the law and on all legal paperwork will now be read as "term B". Currently printed documents will follow this same criteria and the change is to be physically implemented when new copies of the document are printed. It doesn't take much at all.
 
Robertinfremont said:
I am sure a few saw it that way. Note the polygamists must also come out of the closet. Guess now homosexuals will support them, eh?
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Most do. The poly, LBGT and BDSM communities all have large overlaps of support for each other. BTW polys are coming out all over. We even had a triad on one of the home buying shows on BH&G network.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Sorry I know that argument but call it a FAIL.

The issue is about homosexuals and not about race.
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First it was marginalized the racial minorities, then it was marginalizes the homosexuals, and now it is marginalize the transsexuals. It's all the same arguments, just with different groups. All I am doing is showing that they fail no matter who you (the generalized you) try to apply them to.
 
Robertinfremont said:
What is your view to his wanting polygamy sanctioned into law?

How about cases where siblings decide to marry each other?

And also how about when the woman wants to marry her own father?

This is what homosexuals marrying has led us to.
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People said interracial marriage leads to incest and polygamy. Are they correct?
 
Deuce said:
People said interracial marriage leads to incest and polygamy. Are they correct?
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I never put much thought into investigating that. But there has been reports, even books by daughters discussing their consensual sex whits their father. Kiss is one book (4 years love affair as an adult) along with the book by MacKenzie Phillips over her 10 years love fest with her dad. So the women wanted to publicize how it worked for them.
 
maquiscat said:
First it was marginalized the racial minorities, then it was marginalizes the homosexuals, and now it is marginalize the transsexuals. It's all the same arguments, just with different groups. All I am doing is showing that they fail no matter who you (the generalized you) try to apply them to.
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Define my alleged argument against homosexuals, transsexuals and now you added interracials? What do you believe is my argument?
 
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