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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Thank you. Yes, it can consist of that but it is not exclusive to that... as the main definition shows. Here is another example:

    "Nuclear family, also called elementary family, in sociology and anthropology, a group of people who are united by ties of partnership and parenthood and consisting of a pair of adults and their socially recognized children. Typically, but not always, the adults in a nuclear family are married. Although such couples are most often a man and a woman, the definition of the nuclear family has expanded with the advent of same-sex marriage. Children in a nuclear family may be the couple’s biological or adopted offspring."

    Nuclear family | anthropology | Britannica


    That is worse.....


    “Nuclear family, also called elementary family, in sociology and anthropology, a group of people who are united by ties of partnership and parenthood and consisting of a pair of adults and their socially recognized children. Typically, but not always, the adults in a nuclear family are married. Although such couples are most often a man and a woman, the definition of the nuclear family has expanded with the advent of same-sex marriage. Children in a nuclear family may be the couple’s biological or adopted offspring.”


    Now , assuming this is not only referencing the psychological text books specific terminology...

    (The “noun” : definition gave the traditional definition I quoted, with no disclaimer..)


    And Really not referring to the colloquial sense at all.. That is both stupid and counterproductive...

    There are few better ways to make the cartoon conservative conspiracy theorists case than to take words that already have neutral definitions and PC them up...


    History is a cycle of revolution and counter-revolution..

    Two steps forward and 1 steps back.

    ANY thing that can even remotely be considered over reach will backfire on the initial revolution by multiples..

    Often with little or no over reach at all, just the perception of such. So giving the yokel low hanging fruit to point to is just super silly..


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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by ArtemisBarca View Post
    That is worse.....


    “Nuclear family, also called elementary family, in sociology and anthropology, a group of people who are united by ties of partnership and parenthood and consisting of a pair of adults and their socially recognized children. Typically, but not always, the adults in a nuclear family are married. Although such couples are most often a man and a woman, the definition of the nuclear family has expanded with the advent of same-sex marriage. Children in a nuclear family may be the couple’s biological or adopted offspring.”


    Now , assuming this is not only referencing the psychological text books specific terminology...

    (The “noun” : definition gave the traditional definition I quoted, with no disclaimer..)


    And Really not referring to the colloquial sense at all.. That is both stupid and counterproductive...

    There are few better ways to make the cartoon conservative conspiracy theorists case than to take words that already have neutral definitions and PC them up...


    History is a cycle of revolution and counter-revolution..

    Two steps forward and 1 steps back.

    ANY thing that can even remotely be considered over reach will backfire on the initial revolution by multiples..

    Often with little or no over reach at all, just the perception of such. So giving the yokel low hanging fruit to point to is just super silly..


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    What desperation...

    So I have given you the Britannica and Merriam Webster definitions, both of which you don't like...

    a family consisting of two parents and their children, but not including aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc.

    NUCLEAR FAMILY | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

    a basic social unit consisting of parents and their dependent children living in one household

    Nuclear family definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

    This just doesn't seem to stop!

    Dude, debate better.

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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by ArtemisBarca View Post
    According to the dictionary it does lol..


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    "the' is the word here. How many definitions did you check to find that one?

    You provided a single definition with a single source citation. Your sample size is a bit skimpy here. Just sayin.

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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I just posted you a definition by Merriam Webster that shows that it is not exclusive to your narrow view of it.

    Debate better...
    No you posted a medical journal giving the psychology dept definition that also had a scientific name..

    Here is websters’s dictionary definition:

    Why is it Called the Nuclear Family? | Merriam-Webster


    “: a family group that consists only of parents and children”

    It does not specify, either way, but the examples sure do..

    “The decline of the divorce rate in the 1950s owes to the idealization of the nuclear family, with rigid gender roles assigning women responsibility for staying home and raising children.”

    Gets real specific there...


    Here are its other potential definitions from the other main sources Webster’s considered credible..


    “Medical Definition of nuclear family: a family group that consists only of father, mother, and children”

    “English Language Learners Definition of nuclear family : the part of a family that includes only the father, mother, and children


    Here is from the next search return, but to be fair not the most credible name..lol but just going down the line..

    Definition of a Nuclear Family | LoveToKnow

    “The traditional definition of a nuclear family is a family unit that includes two married parents of opposite genders and their biological or adopted children living in the same residence. However, the term "nuclear family" can mean several things in today's society. Understanding the classic roles in this type of family and how it is defined can help you understand the relationships in your own family, whether it's nuclear or not.”


    So keeping count, we have 3 that specify man and women..

    And we have one that does not specify at all.


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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by btthegreat View Post
    "the' is the word here. How many definitions did you check to find that one?

    You provided a single definition with a single source citation. Your sample size is a bit skimpy here. Just sayin.
    They are all the same and this is a ridiculously semantics argument off the muscle..

    Either: “the family group included parents and children” which does not specify..

    Or

    “A family unit consisting of mother, father and children..”

    The other poster posted a link saying the psychology association recently changed the definition.. but that also had a scientific name as well I think. So maybe they are not changing the definitions everywhere.


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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Few American conservatives see family and other social structures as blood loyalty.
    Falls under “protecting the traditions of the past or returning to some past era of previewed greatness”.


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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by ArtemisBarca View Post
    No you posted a medical journal giving the psychology dept definition that also had a scientific name..

    Here is websters’s dictionary definition:

    Why is it Called the Nuclear Family? | Merriam-Webster


    “: a family group that consists only of parents and children”

    It does not specify, either way, but the examples sure do..

    “The decline of the divorce rate in the 1950s owes to the idealization of the nuclear family, with rigid gender roles assigning women responsibility for staying home and raising children.”

    Gets real specific there...


    Here are its other potential definitions from the other main sources Webster’s considered credible..


    “Medical Definition of nuclear family: a family group that consists only of father, mother, and children”

    “English Language Learners Definition of nuclear family : the part of a family that includes only the father, mother, and children


    Here is from the next search return, but to be fair not the most credible name..lol but just going down the line..

    Definition of a Nuclear Family | LoveToKnow

    “The traditional definition of a nuclear family is a family unit that includes two married parents of opposite genders and their biological or adopted children living in the same residence. However, the term "nuclear family" can mean several things in today's society. Understanding the classic roles in this type of family and how it is defined can help you understand the relationships in your own family, whether it's nuclear or not.”


    So keeping count, we have 3 that specify man and women..

    And we have one that does not specify at all.


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    No. What we have is four that do not constrain the definition to a man and a woman with their kids. They say parents because parents is not constrained to a mother and a father. I hate to burden you with more facts:

    Parent:
    a person who brings up and cares for another


    Parent | Definition of Parent by Merriam-Webster

    And if we break that down even further, a person is a man or a woman.

    All of your medical versus psychology definition stuff is merely obfuscation.

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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by btthegreat View Post
    "the' is the word here. How many definitions did you check to find that one?

    You provided a single definition with a single source citation. Your sample size is a bit skimpy here. Just sayin.
    I am not sure why he is even trying to debate against the fact that a nuclear family definition, can change.

    Here is an example of a definition CHANGING:

    "In light of gay marriage being legalized in the UK, the Oxford English Dictionary editors are changing the definition of marriage."

    The Oxford Dictionary Is Changing The Definition Of 'Marriage' To Include Gay Couples | Business Insider

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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No. What we have is four that do not constrain the definition to a man and a woman with their kids. They say parents because parents is not constrained to a mother and a father. I hate to burden you with more facts:

    Parent:
    a person who brings up and cares for another


    Parent | Definition of Parent by Merriam-Webster

    And if we break that down even further, a person is a man or a woman.

    All of your medical versus psychology definition stuff is merely obfuscation.
    Oh no 3 of the 4 specify man and woman and the example of the one definition that did not specify, does in the example.


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    Re: [W:363]accepting gay as normal

    Quote Originally Posted by ArtemisBarca View Post
    Oh no 3 of the 4 specify man and woman and the example of the one definition that did not specify, does in the example.


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    I am not sure what your comprehension problem is about... I posted, in quotes, the exact definition provided by the dictionary sources. All you did was show an example of what a nuclear family might be, that was given and that falls under the umbrella definition. The umbrella definition is the one that matters in this debate. A nuclear family is two parents and their kids... it can be a man and a woman but until you find a source saying that it CAN NOT be a man and a man or a woman and a woman, then you lose.

    Regardless... unless you have something new, this debate is over and I win.

    No joke.

    This is serious...

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