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    Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    I will freely acknowledge that not all (or even most) women who have abortions are guilty of sexual promiscuity. I will also free acknowledge that singling out women for any condemnation of sexual promiscuity is unfair.

    That still doesn't answer the question of what is wrong with condemning slutty behavior? And if you go to the definition of "slut" then the sexual behavior described has no connection whatsoever to love, or making any kind of connection with another person or anything remotely good or redeemable.
    Perhaps a better question is, what is a "good" reason for slut shaming people? All the risks of casual sex, like diseases or unwanted pregnancy can be prevented or resolved with modern technology. There's no longer any reason to slut shame people, so why do it?

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    Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonglow View Post
    Stop talking about that slutty president of ours...
    If Sluts can be cured, why not Donald Trump?

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    Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    I will freely acknowledge that not all (or even most) women who have abortions are guilty of sexual promiscuity. I will also free acknowledge that singling out women for any condemnation of sexual promiscuity is unfair.

    That still doesn't answer the question of what is wrong with condemning slutty behavior? And if you go to the definition of "slut" then the sexual behavior described has no connection whatsoever to love, or making any kind of connection with another person or anything remotely good or redeemable.
    Great Question partner.

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    Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    I will freely acknowledge that not all (or even most) women who have abortions are guilty of sexual promiscuity. I will also free acknowledge that singling out women for any condemnation of sexual promiscuity is unfair.

    That still doesn't answer the question of what is wrong with condemning slutty behavior? And if you go to the definition of "slut" then the sexual behavior described has no connection whatsoever to love, or making any kind of connection with another person or anything remotely good or redeemable.
    An unfortunate number male anti-abortionists accuse women of being sluts and causing men's inappropriate behavior by tempting them with "spread legs" and 'the gates of hell". I'm guessing, since you seem eager to justify slut shaming you are one of those blamers which is why you've started this thread.

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    Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robertinfremont View Post
    My stats are this that I know of.
    Wife had abortion. It was not long past that that she decided sex with her male coworkers was great fun. She filed for divorce.
    Step daughter called me in tears. Her boyfriend kicked her out since she got pregnant. How dare she get pregnant when this ass wanted sex.
    I took her to the clinic, paid for his screw up. She waited 30 days and hopped right back into bed with this loser.

    GF called me to meet. She was pregnant. I met her and wanted her to bear our child. She says no. She went to planned death hood for the abortion and I picked her up and lovingly cared for her. We broke up in 1995 over her becoming a slut. Oh, I paid half of the cost.

    GF called me to meet also at a restaurant. There she told me she was pregnant. Different GF. So I was a bit more leery about her but said I wanted to marry her. She snuck off to SF to have her abortion. She never asked for money. We shortly after broke up.

    Abortions kill relationships.
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    Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

    I greatly enjoy female sluts and enjoy their company.
    To live is to suffer~Fritz Lang

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    Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robertinfremont View Post
    My stats are this that I know of.
    Wife had abortion. It was not long past that that she decided sex with her male coworkers was great fun. She filed for divorce.
    Step daughter called me in tears. Her boyfriend kicked her out since she got pregnant. How dare she get pregnant when this ass wanted sex.
    I took her to the clinic, paid for his screw up. She waited 30 days and hopped right back into bed with this loser.

    GF called me to meet. She was pregnant. I met her and wanted her to bear our child. She says no. She went to planned death hood for the abortion and I picked her up and lovingly cared for her. We broke up in 1995 over her becoming a slut. Oh, I paid half of the cost.

    GF called me to meet also at a restaurant. There she told me she was pregnant. Different GF. So I was a bit more leery about her but said I wanted to marry her. She snuck off to SF to have her abortion. She never asked for money. We shortly after broke up.

    Abortions kill relationships.
    Sounds like there were problems with those relationships long before the abortions happened.

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    Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    Shouldn't sexual promiscuity be something we should treat as "shameful"?
    Yes, but there's a time and a place to lecture people on morality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    No matter your views on abortion, or premarital or extramarital sexual morality shouldn't sexual promiscuity be something that everyone on every side of the belief spectrum rightfully condemns?
    Most people are of the belief that extramarital sex isn't harmful, physically or spiritually, if practiced with certain precautions.

    You and I know this belief to be in error, but if somebody wants to believe a particular behaviour is harmless or even beneficial, it takes a great deal of suffering to convince them otherwise. Even then, the human tendency for one witnessing harm is to attribute it to factors that don't impinge on one's moral views. Hence abortion, sexual disease, sexual abuse, relationship dysfunction, broken marriages, fatherless children, etc. are construed to be consequences of irresponsible behaviours (or unavoidable circumstances) rather than the sexual immorality itself.

    People can rationalize or reason around almost anything, as I'm sure you know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    What could possibly be wrong about shaming people who engage in such behavior?
    Depending on how you do it, and the spirit in which you do it, you can potentially make the problem worse.

    As a for-instance: if sex is a kind of coping mechanism for a lack of healthy relationships or low self-esteem, heaping shame on an individual without providing them with an "out" or a healthier alternative will only compound the problems leading to the immoral behaviour.

    It also goes without saying that there's a proper time and place to lecture people on sexual morality. Of particular importance is that you care about the person you're admonishing and that they value your advice and judgment. When you admonish them, it should be in the spirit of helping them, encouraging them to amend their behaviour. If you're shaming them to demean them and exalt your own righteousness, then not only are you behaving in an unloving manner towards them, they're going to perceive it and harden themselves to criticism.

    Incidentally, as a general rule, tossing a blue sky question about "Why can't we slut shame?" into the middle of a loosely-moderated, politically-charged message board chock full of Westerners circa 2019 isn't quite the aforementioned "proper time and place".
    Last edited by COTO; 12-29-19 at 09:28 PM.

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    Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robertinfremont View Post
    My stats are this that I know of.
    Wife had abortion. It was not long past that that she decided sex with her male coworkers was great fun. She filed for divorce.
    Step daughter called me in tears. Her boyfriend kicked her out since she got pregnant. How dare she get pregnant when this ass wanted sex.
    I took her to the clinic, paid for his screw up. She waited 30 days and hopped right back into bed with this loser.

    GF called me to meet. She was pregnant. I met her and wanted her to bear our child. She says no. She went to planned death hood for the abortion and I picked her up and lovingly cared for her. We broke up in 1995 over her becoming a slut. Oh, I paid half of the cost.

    GF called me to meet also at a restaurant. There she told me she was pregnant. Different GF. So I was a bit more leery about her but said I wanted to marry her. She snuck off to SF to have her abortion. She never asked for money. We shortly after broke up.

    Abortions kill relationships.
    Thats not statistics, thats confirmation bias.

    Statistics rely upon proper methodology and appropriate sample size.....not a personal bad experience.
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    Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    I condemn Donald Trump for his being a pussy hound quite strongly.

    Satisfied?
    No. I want you to condemn and belittle him as you condemn and belittle women by calling them sluts. I want you to shame men as you want to shame women.

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