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[W:531]What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

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Michael Johnson said:
Should you be surprised? Their natural instinct is to protect their degrading behavior at all costs. Emotional rhetoric, ad hominems, and deflections are their primary go-to moves when faced with logic.
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Stop talking about that slutty president of ours...
 
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Dayton3 said:
I personally hate the word "slut" with a passion but I'm using it here given everyone will know what I'm talking about.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slut

A recurring theme for people on the right who criticize women's sexual behaviors is that they are "slut shaming". Now according to everything I've read a "slut" or "slutty behavior" involves sexual promiscuity. Though it is almost always used to refer to women it can (and has) been used regarding men as well.


My point is this:


Shouldn't sexual promiscuity be something we should treat as "shameful"? What possible redeeming and positive attribute does it have? No matter your views on abortion, or premarital or extramarital sexual morality shouldn't sexual promiscuity be something that everyone on every side of the belief spectrum rightfully condemns?


What could possibly be wrong about shaming people who engage in such behavior?​
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Being a slut does not create good mothers nor wives. I say though in my case to shame women is not my idea of fun.
 
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Moonglow said:
Something you can't prove.
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My stats are this that I know of.
Wife had abortion. It was not long past that that she decided sex with her male coworkers was great fun. She filed for divorce.
Step daughter called me in tears. Her boyfriend kicked her out since she got pregnant. How dare she get pregnant when this ass wanted sex.
I took her to the clinic, paid for his screw up. She waited 30 days and hopped right back into bed with this loser.

GF called me to meet. She was pregnant. I met her and wanted her to bear our child. She says no. She went to planned death hood for the abortion and I picked her up and lovingly cared for her. We broke up in 1995 over her becoming a slut. Oh, I paid half of the cost.

GF called me to meet also at a restaurant. There she told me she was pregnant. Different GF. So I was a bit more leery about her but said I wanted to marry her. She snuck off to SF to have her abortion. She never asked for money. We shortly after broke up.

Abortions kill relationships.
 
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Dayton3 said:
I will freely acknowledge that not all (or even most) women who have abortions are guilty of sexual promiscuity. I will also free acknowledge that singling out women for any condemnation of sexual promiscuity is unfair.

That still doesn't answer the question of what is wrong with condemning slutty behavior? And if you go to the definition of "slut" then the sexual behavior described has no connection whatsoever to love, or making any kind of connection with another person or anything remotely good or redeemable.
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Perhaps a better question is, what is a "good" reason for slut shaming people? All the risks of casual sex, like diseases or unwanted pregnancy can be prevented or resolved with modern technology. There's no longer any reason to slut shame people, so why do it?
 
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Dayton3 said:
I will freely acknowledge that not all (or even most) women who have abortions are guilty of sexual promiscuity. I will also free acknowledge that singling out women for any condemnation of sexual promiscuity is unfair.

That still doesn't answer the question of what is wrong with condemning slutty behavior? And if you go to the definition of "slut" then the sexual behavior described has no connection whatsoever to love, or making any kind of connection with another person or anything remotely good or redeemable.
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Great Question partner.
 
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Dayton3 said:
I will freely acknowledge that not all (or even most) women who have abortions are guilty of sexual promiscuity. I will also free acknowledge that singling out women for any condemnation of sexual promiscuity is unfair.

That still doesn't answer the question of what is wrong with condemning slutty behavior? And if you go to the definition of "slut" then the sexual behavior described has no connection whatsoever to love, or making any kind of connection with another person or anything remotely good or redeemable.
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An unfortunate number male anti-abortionists accuse women of being sluts and causing men's inappropriate behavior by tempting them with "spread legs" and 'the gates of hell". I'm guessing, since you seem eager to justify slut shaming you are one of those blamers which is why you've started this thread.
 
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Robertinfremont said:
My stats are this that I know of.
Wife had abortion. It was not long past that that she decided sex with her male coworkers was great fun. She filed for divorce.
Step daughter called me in tears. Her boyfriend kicked her out since she got pregnant. How dare she get pregnant when this ass wanted sex.
I took her to the clinic, paid for his screw up. She waited 30 days and hopped right back into bed with this loser.

GF called me to meet. She was pregnant. I met her and wanted her to bear our child. She says no. She went to planned death hood for the abortion and I picked her up and lovingly cared for her. We broke up in 1995 over her becoming a slut. Oh, I paid half of the cost.

GF called me to meet also at a restaurant. There she told me she was pregnant. Different GF. So I was a bit more leery about her but said I wanted to marry her. She snuck off to SF to have her abortion. She never asked for money. We shortly after broke up.

Abortions kill relationships.
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It is still a statistical syllogistic fallacy.
 
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I greatly enjoy female sluts and enjoy their company.
 
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Robertinfremont said:
My stats are this that I know of.
Wife had abortion. It was not long past that that she decided sex with her male coworkers was great fun. She filed for divorce.
Step daughter called me in tears. Her boyfriend kicked her out since she got pregnant. How dare she get pregnant when this ass wanted sex.
I took her to the clinic, paid for his screw up. She waited 30 days and hopped right back into bed with this loser.

GF called me to meet. She was pregnant. I met her and wanted her to bear our child. She says no. She went to planned death hood for the abortion and I picked her up and lovingly cared for her. We broke up in 1995 over her becoming a slut. Oh, I paid half of the cost.

GF called me to meet also at a restaurant. There she told me she was pregnant. Different GF. So I was a bit more leery about her but said I wanted to marry her. She snuck off to SF to have her abortion. She never asked for money. We shortly after broke up.

Abortions kill relationships.
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Sounds like there were problems with those relationships long before the abortions happened.
 
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Dayton3 said:
Shouldn't sexual promiscuity be something we should treat as "shameful"?
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Yes, but there's a time and a place to lecture people on morality.

Dayton3 said:
No matter your views on abortion, or premarital or extramarital sexual morality shouldn't sexual promiscuity be something that everyone on every side of the belief spectrum rightfully condemns?
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Most people are of the belief that extramarital sex isn't harmful, physically or spiritually, if practiced with certain precautions.

You and I know this belief to be in error, but if somebody wants to believe a particular behaviour is harmless or even beneficial, it takes a great deal of suffering to convince them otherwise. Even then, the human tendency for one witnessing harm is to attribute it to factors that don't impinge on one's moral views. Hence abortion, sexual disease, sexual abuse, relationship dysfunction, broken marriages, fatherless children, etc. are construed to be consequences of irresponsible behaviours (or unavoidable circumstances) rather than the sexual immorality itself.

People can rationalize or reason around almost anything, as I'm sure you know.

Dayton3 said:
What could possibly be wrong about shaming people who engage in such behavior?
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Depending on how you do it, and the spirit in which you do it, you can potentially make the problem worse.

As a for-instance: if sex is a kind of coping mechanism for a lack of healthy relationships or low self-esteem, heaping shame on an individual without providing them with an "out" or a healthier alternative will only compound the problems leading to the immoral behaviour.

It also goes without saying that there's a proper time and place to lecture people on sexual morality. Of particular importance is that you care about the person you're admonishing and that they value your advice and judgment. When you admonish them, it should be in the spirit of helping them, encouraging them to amend their behaviour. If you're shaming them to demean them and exalt your own righteousness, then not only are you behaving in an unloving manner towards them, they're going to perceive it and harden themselves to criticism.

Incidentally, as a general rule, tossing a blue sky question about "Why can't we slut shame?" into the middle of a loosely-moderated, politically-charged message board chock full of Westerners circa 2019 isn't quite the aforementioned "proper time and place".
 
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Robertinfremont said:
My stats are this that I know of.
Wife had abortion. It was not long past that that she decided sex with her male coworkers was great fun. She filed for divorce.
Step daughter called me in tears. Her boyfriend kicked her out since she got pregnant. How dare she get pregnant when this ass wanted sex.
I took her to the clinic, paid for his screw up. She waited 30 days and hopped right back into bed with this loser.

GF called me to meet. She was pregnant. I met her and wanted her to bear our child. She says no. She went to planned death hood for the abortion and I picked her up and lovingly cared for her. We broke up in 1995 over her becoming a slut. Oh, I paid half of the cost.

GF called me to meet also at a restaurant. There she told me she was pregnant. Different GF. So I was a bit more leery about her but said I wanted to marry her. She snuck off to SF to have her abortion. She never asked for money. We shortly after broke up.

Abortions kill relationships.
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Thats not statistics, thats confirmation bias.

Statistics rely upon proper methodology and appropriate sample size.....not a personal bad experience.
 
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Dayton3 said:
I condemn Donald Trump for his being a ***** hound quite strongly.

Satisfied?
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No. I want you to condemn and belittle him as you condemn and belittle women by calling them sluts. I want you to shame men as you want to shame women.
 
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Irredentist said:
Perhaps a better question is, what is a "good" reason for slut shaming people? All the risks of casual sex, like diseases or unwanted pregnancy can be prevented or resolved with modern technology. There's no longer any reason to slut shame people, so why do it?
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Yet despite that we still have in this country massive numbers of unwanted pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases.
 
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Bum said:
Thats not statistics, thats confirmation bias.

Statistics rely upon proper methodology and appropriate sample size.....not a personal bad experience.
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I called it "my statistics." I certainly am in a group that can be studied.
 
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Robertinfremont said:
I called it "my statistics." I certainly am in a group that can be studied.
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You keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
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bearpoker said:
No. I want you to condemn and belittle him as you condemn and belittle women by calling them sluts. I want you to shame men as you want to shame women.
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WOW. Did this female happen to lay with a hell of a lot men?
 
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Bum said:
You keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means.
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I can deal with that sort of whining.
 
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Robertinfremont said:
WOW. Did this female happen to lay with a hell of a lot men?
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Oh my my! Did I strike a nerve? Does my anger at the double standard that has long abused women shock you? Do you think I should just get over your devotion to misogyny?
 
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Dayton3 said:
Yet despite that we still have in this country massive numbers of unwanted pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases.
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We also still have slut shaming, and always have, and yet that didn't get rid of unwanted pregnancies or STDs either.

But if I had to pick one, I'd say that contraception and abortion are much more reliable tools, given that they do not rely solely on wishful thinking.
 
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bearpoker said:
No. I want you to condemn and belittle him as you condemn and belittle women by calling them sluts. I want you to shame men as you want to shame women.
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I'm not condemning and belittling women. As I made it clear in the OP (that you obviously didn't bother reading other than the title) I hate the term "slut".
 
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Irredentist said:
We also still have slut shaming, and always have, and yet that didn't get rid of unwanted pregnancies or STDs either.

But if I had to pick one, I'd say that contraception and abortion are much more reliable tools, given that they do not rely solely on wishful thinking.
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You consider altering general sexual behavior in society to be "wishful thinking".
 
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