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The Left Now Targeting Hallmark Channel for Refusing to Show Ad Featuring Lesbian Kiss.

AlbqOwl said:
They are wrong to do that. If you have been reading my posts you would know that is my position.

However, it is okay to inform Hallmark that you do not wish to see such ads.

And it is okay to inform Hallmark that you are angry that they took the ad down.

It isn't okay to organize to punish Hallmark for whatever they choose to do about that however.
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Hard Nope.

There is absolutely nothing wrong, in any way shape or form, with organizations exerting political pressure. Nothing, nada, zippo. Organizations have the same basic legal, political and moral rights to advocate for an agenda as any individual.

The only possible moral or political issue is if the organization misrepresents its members (e.g. astroturfing). Even that isn't illegal, thus we're stuck with it (though we can certainly point it out).

Whatever personal issue you have with "organizations," I suggest you get over it.
 
AlbqOwl said:
They are wrong to do that. If you have been reading my posts you would know that is my position.

However, it is okay to inform Hallmark that you do not wish to see such ads.

And it is okay to inform Hallmark that you are angry that they took the ad down.

It isn't okay to organize to punish Hallmark for whatever they choose to do about that however.
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I have no obligation to buy their products.
 
Hallmark deserves everything they get for giving in to the demands of people who are targeting them. The correct answer was FU ...dont watch our channel if you don't like it. End of story.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Hallmark deserves everything they get for giving in to the demands of people who are targeting them. The correct answer was FU ...dont watch our channel if you don't like it. End of story.
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The free market takes care of that idiotic business model.
 
Visbek said:
Hard Nope.

There is absolutely nothing wrong, in any way shape or form, with organizations exerting political pressure. Nothing, nada, zippo. Organizations have the same basic legal, political and moral rights to advocate for an agenda as any individual.
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No individual has the power to use political power against someone they don't like.

Who cares what the Hallmark channel does anyway it's about as derivative as a channel can be.
The only possible moral or political issue is if the organization misrepresents its members (e.g. astroturfing). Even that isn't illegal, thus we're stuck with it (though we can certainly point it out).
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Stupid Hill to die on if you ask me. There are places in the world where LGBT people face real discrimination.
Whatever personal issue you have with "organizations," I suggest you get over it.
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Or form your own organizations to put pressure on them. Since all is fair in culture war.
 
CLAX1911 said:
It's derivative and a waste of time for activism. That's why I don't think it is activism.
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As far as I am concerned the Hallmark channel sucks and I refuse to patronize it and I don't have cable service because I am of the idea that all of cable sucks and it is not worth paying what they want for it.
 
I wonder how many who expressed pretend outrage in this thread about the commercial spent hours pleasuring themselves to the lesbian porn photos our First Lady was famous for.
 
CLAX1911 said:
No individual has the power to use political power against someone they don't like.
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If that "political power" involves publicly shaming individuals who break the law or violate morals, then individuals and groups absolutely have the right to react.

There is a huge range of legitimate options, from protests to expressing opinions to lawsuits to running for office, that individuals can do to effect change.


Who cares what the Hallmark channel does anyway it's about as derivative as a channel can be.
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If no one should care, then why are you here?

I really don't understand why you simultaneously trivialize responses... and then respond.


Stupid Hill to die on if you ask me. There are places in the world where LGBT people face real discrimination.
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1) No one is "dying on a hill" here. Hallmark caved so fast that people barely had time to respond.

2) Representation is important. It is highly likely that, for example, better media representation is why opinions about LGBT individuals changed so rapidly in the US.


Or form your own organizations to put pressure on them. Since all is fair in culture war.
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There is no reason why individual and organized actions are mutually exclusive.
 
Deuce said:
I have no obligation to buy their products.
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No you don't. And you would be perfectly justified in not doing so. But it would be wrong to organize a boycott of a business for no other reason than you disagree with them.
 
AlbqOwl said:
No you don't. And you would be perfectly justified in not doing so. But it would be wrong to organize a boycott of a business for no other reason than you disagree with them.
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That is the best reason for a boycott
 
Visbek said:
If that "political power" involves publicly shaming individuals who break the law or violate morals, then individuals and groups absolutely have the right to react.
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let's order things cute until people get tired of it. They will make things such for us. Meaning the lesbians gays bisexuals and trans people that want to live and Let live

There is a huge range of legitimate options, from protests to expressing opinions to lawsuits to running for office, that individuals can do to effect change.
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modern people don't know how to protest. they just get out in the street so throw fits and set stuff on fire. Abusing the courts by pressing frivolous lawsuits has also not good.


If no one should care, then why are you here?
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to explain how stupid this is somebody has to

I really don't understand why you simultaneously trivialize responses... and then respond.
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Because idiotic responses not only need to be trivialized but mocked and ridiculed. that's how we used to keep people from believing stupid things.

Further these people pretend they represent me and I want to make sure that's cleared up.


1) No one is "dying on a hill" here. Hallmark caved so fast that people barely had time to respond.

2) Representation is important. It is highly likely that, for example, better media representation is why opinions about LGBT individuals changed so rapidly in the US.
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or they don't want to be bullied by the biggest bully in the room.


There is no reason why individual and organized actions are mutually exclusive.
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The pendulum will swing. Sad thing about it is the people who are bullies they won't get the brunt of it.

Please stop pretending these people represent me.
 
CLAX1911 said:
let's order things cute until people get tired of it. They will make things such for us. Meaning the lesbians gays bisexuals and trans people that want to live and Let live
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You're not making any sense.


modern people don't know how to protest. they just get out in the street so throw fits and set stuff on fire. Abusing the courts by pressing frivolous lawsuits has also not good.
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Maybe it's time to put down the retsina.

"Ancient protest" usually meant riots in the streets and violent uprisings. The Peasant's Revolt of 1381 resulted in 1500 dead rebels. Modern protest is downright civilized by comparison.

Frivolous lawsuits are bad. Justifiable lawsuits that force a society to live up to its ideals (e.g. Obergefell) are good.


Because idiotic responses not only need to be trivialized but mocked and ridiculed. that's how we used to keep people from believing stupid things.
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Wow. Your ability to articulate such sophisticated political concepts, and understand the nuances of contemporary political currents as expressed via social media, is profound. :lamo

Anyway. I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your claims to an alleged lack of intelligence on the part of the individuals who dislike being erased from modern media, at the behest of a right-wing astroturf organization.


The pendulum will swing. Sad thing about it is the people who are bullies they won't get the brunt of it.
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I'm not sure what "pendulum" you are referring to, especially since -- despite some backlashes and losing the occasional battle -- progressives and civil libertarians are clearly winning the Culture Wars.


Please stop pretending these people represent me.
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So.... You don't understand what "media representation" means, when it comes to communities. Got it.
 
Visbek said:
You're not making any sense.
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it's funny how people lose the ability to comprehend.


Maybe it's time to put down the retsina.

"Ancient protest" usually meant riots in the streets and violent uprisings. The Peasant's Revolt of 1381 resulted in 1500 dead rebels. Modern protest is downright civilized by comparison.
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congratulations on being more civilized then people from 700 years ago. I guess.

Maybe you want a medal for this I don't know.

if by protesting you're not bringing awareness and sympathy to your cause then you're not doing anything except for harming your cause. Protest today seem like they're made up of self-entitled brats who are throwing a fit because they didn't get that way.

When that's the what are you are presented you don't get anyone sympathetic to your cause in fact it makes people hate you.
Frivolous lawsuits are bad. Justifiable lawsuits that force a society to live up to its ideals (e.g. Obergefell) are good.
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Obergerfel evidence that he had been wronged.


Wow. Your ability to articulate such sophisticated political concepts, and understand the nuances of contemporary political currents as expressed via social media, is profound. :lamo
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oh is that not sophisticated enough for you do I need to don my clothes that only the sophisticated people can see?
Anyway. I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your claims to an alleged lack of intelligence on the part of the individuals who dislike being erased from modern media, at the behest of a right-wing astroturf organization.
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Not aware of what you are talking about.


I'm not sure what "pendulum" you are referring to, especially since -- despite some backlashes and losing the occasional battle -- progressives and civil libertarians are clearly winning the Culture Wars.
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the culture wars is this some new movie that came out?


So.... You don't understand what "media representation" means, when it comes to communities. Got it.
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You don't understand that communities are made up of individuals with individual view points? Got it.
 
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