Australia wants to make it illegal to have sex by lying to someone

Crusader13 said:

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Now, I was originally appalled by this until I did a little research. Turns out laws like this already exist in some forms, because in certain unusual situations, a woman can be deceived into thinking she's sleeping with her boyfriend when it's in fact someone else. Also, as far as I know, not disclosing that you have a sexually transmitted disease has always been frowned upon by the law in most countries. Any reasonable person should be OK with that.

But the way new laws are being proposed in Australia is a worrying sign of empowerment gone too far. Basically, even talking yourself up or just driving an expensive car to insinuate you have a lot of money, can become a crime if it leads to sex. In other words, if the woman regrets sleeping with you, you committed an act of sexual assault; sex by deception.

Although this represents an interesting scenario - I would argue that women deceive a lot more than men do. Women have a plethora of accessories, clothing, and other means of seeming more attractive than men do. Makeup, eyeliner, lipstick push-up bras, g-strings, perfume, hair extensions, fake fingernails, stockings, are all common forms of female attire designed solely to make them seem more attractive than they really are. It can easily be claimed that a man was falsely enticed to sleep with a woman because of these things.

That being said, something tells me these laws will be designed and enforced to err on the side of the woman. In other words, if it happens to a woman, it's sexual assault. If it happens to a man, it's complicated.

The other issue is proving that the lie did in fact lead to sex. A woman could easily claim that the man's pleasant smell was the main reason she slept with him, but after his deodorant and cologne wore off and his true scent was revealed, she felt deceived. Where (and how) do you draw the line?

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Crusader13 said:

Lying To Have Sex With Someone Could Soon Be Considered... | 10 daily

Now, I was originally appalled by this until I did a little research. Turns out laws like this already exist in some forms, because in certain unusual situations, a woman can be deceived into thinking she's sleeping with her boyfriend when it's in fact someone else. Also, as far as I know, not disclosing that you have a sexually transmitted disease has always been frowned upon by the law in most countries. Any reasonable person should be OK with that.

But the way new laws are being proposed in Australia is a worrying sign of empowerment gone too far. Basically, even talking yourself up or just driving an expensive car to insinuate you have a lot of money, can become a crime if it leads to sex. In other words, if the woman regrets sleeping with you, you committed an act of sexual assault; sex by deception.

Although this represents an interesting scenario - I would argue that women deceive a lot more than men do. Women have a plethora of accessories, clothing, and other means of seeming more attractive than men do. Makeup, eyeliner, lipstick push-up bras, g-strings, perfume, hair extensions, fake fingernails, stockings, are all common forms of female attire designed solely to make them seem more attractive than they really are. It can easily be claimed that a man was falsely enticed to sleep with a woman because of these things.

That being said, something tells me these laws will be designed and enforced to err on the side of the woman. In other words, if it happens to a woman, it's sexual assault. If it happens to a man, it's complicated.

The other issue is proving that the lie did in fact lead to sex. A woman could easily claim that the man's pleasant smell was the main reason she slept with him, but after his deodorant and cologne wore off and his true scent was revealed, she felt deceived. Where (and how) do you draw the line?

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Crusader13 said:

Lying To Have Sex With Someone Could Soon Be Considered... | 10 daily

Now, I was originally appalled by this until I did a little research. Turns out laws like this already exist in some forms, because in certain unusual situations, a woman can be deceived into thinking she's sleeping with her boyfriend when it's in fact someone else. Also, as far as I know, not disclosing that you have a sexually transmitted disease has always been frowned upon by the law in most countries. Any reasonable person should be OK with that.

But the way new laws are being proposed in Australia is a worrying sign of empowerment gone too far. Basically, even talking yourself up or just driving an expensive car to insinuate you have a lot of money, can become a crime if it leads to sex. In other words, if the woman regrets sleeping with you, you committed an act of sexual assault; sex by deception.

Although this represents an interesting scenario - I would argue that women deceive a lot more than men do. Women have a plethora of accessories, clothing, and other means of seeming more attractive than men do. Makeup, eyeliner, lipstick push-up bras, g-strings, perfume, hair extensions, fake fingernails, stockings, are all common forms of female attire designed solely to make them seem more attractive than they really are. It can easily be claimed that a man was falsely enticed to sleep with a woman because of these things.

That being said, something tells me these laws will be designed and enforced to err on the side of the woman. In other words, if it happens to a woman, it's sexual assault. If it happens to a man, it's complicated.

The other issue is proving that the lie did in fact lead to sex. A woman could easily claim that the man's pleasant smell was the main reason she slept with him, but after his deodorant and cologne wore off and his true scent was revealed, she felt deceived. Where (and how) do you draw the line?

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HIP56948 said:

As a dual citizen (USA and Australia), I'm almost at a loss of words about this new legislation. Didn't know about it until now but frankly, it's just...ah...weird. I mean, talk about a slippery slope.
There's things in life that seem pretty-straight-forward as: You sold me a car, well knowing that the transmission was about to fail...You're an asshole.
Having a person lie about some rather obscure trait in order to impress the Lady/Man is akin to saying the statement: "The North Star tells sailors where true north is" Ah...yeah, the North star is in the general direction of north but sorry pal, it's close but no proverbial cigar. It's about the width of 1 1/2 of a moon from true north.
So..Did the person who stated that the north star is actually at true north a liar? Depends on who is there. Too many variables of thought.

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Crusader13 said:

Lying To Have Sex With Someone Could Soon Be Considered... | 10 daily

Now, I was originally appalled by this until I did a little research. Turns out laws like this already exist in some forms, because in certain unusual situations, a woman can be deceived into thinking she's sleeping with her boyfriend when it's in fact someone else. Also, as far as I know, not disclosing that you have a sexually transmitted disease has always been frowned upon by the law in most countries. Any reasonable person should be OK with that.

But the way new laws are being proposed in Australia is a worrying sign of empowerment gone too far. Basically, even talking yourself up or just driving an expensive car to insinuate you have a lot of money, can become a crime if it leads to sex. In other words, if the woman regrets sleeping with you, you committed an act of sexual assault; sex by deception.

Although this represents an interesting scenario - I would argue that women deceive a lot more than men do. Women have a plethora of accessories, clothing, and other means of seeming more attractive than men do. Makeup, eyeliner, lipstick push-up bras, g-strings, perfume, hair extensions, fake fingernails, stockings, are all common forms of female attire designed solely to make them seem more attractive than they really are. It can easily be claimed that a man was falsely enticed to sleep with a woman because of these things.

That being said, something tells me these laws will be designed and enforced to err on the side of the woman. In other words, if it happens to a woman, it's sexual assault. If it happens to a man, it's complicated.

The other issue is proving that the lie did in fact lead to sex. A woman could easily claim that the man's pleasant smell was the main reason she slept with him, but after his deodorant and cologne wore off and his true scent was revealed, she felt deceived. Where (and how) do you draw the line?

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Crusader13 said:

Lying To Have Sex With Someone Could Soon Be Considered... | 10 daily

Now, I was originally appalled by this until I did a little research. Turns out laws like this already exist in some forms, because in certain unusual situations, a woman can be deceived into thinking she's sleeping with her boyfriend when it's in fact someone else. Also, as far as I know, not disclosing that you have a sexually transmitted disease has always been frowned upon by the law in most countries. Any reasonable person should be OK with that.

But the way new laws are being proposed in Australia is a worrying sign of empowerment gone too far. Basically, even talking yourself up or just driving an expensive car to insinuate you have a lot of money, can become a crime if it leads to sex. In other words, if the woman regrets sleeping with you, you committed an act of sexual assault; sex by deception.

Although this represents an interesting scenario - I would argue that women deceive a lot more than men do. Women have a plethora of accessories, clothing, and other means of seeming more attractive than men do. Makeup, eyeliner, lipstick push-up bras, g-strings, perfume, hair extensions, fake fingernails, stockings, are all common forms of female attire designed solely to make them seem more attractive than they really are. It can easily be claimed that a man was falsely enticed to sleep with a woman because of these things.

That being said, something tells me these laws will be designed and enforced to err on the side of the woman. In other words, if it happens to a woman, it's sexual assault. If it happens to a man, it's complicated.

The other issue is proving that the lie did in fact lead to sex. A woman could easily claim that the man's pleasant smell was the main reason she slept with him, but after his deodorant and cologne wore off and his true scent was revealed, she felt deceived. Where (and how) do you draw the line?

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Risky Thicket said:

Years ago I was in Miami on business, as I often was. After my last appointment, I had dinner and then decided to go to a bar nearby. It was Halloween night and the place was rocking.

I was standing just above the lower dance floor having a drink, leaning on the railing when a fine looking lady came over and stood not too far from me but not too close. I waited a little while and said something to her. I don't recall what. We howdied, exchanged first names. After a while, we started talking. I ordered another drink and ordered one for her. We talked a little. I didn't move closer, she did. But not too close.

A little bit later I excused myself to go to the bathroom. I didn't have to go. I thought we might have something possible. I wanted to see if she would be there when I go back.

I came back, she wasn't there. I didn't look around for her. She was watching me from somewhere in that big bar - or she wasn't. [never make your move too soon]

I ordered another drink and stood there watching people dance.

She returned. Didn't say where she'd been. I didn't ask. We chatted for a few minutes more then she asked me, "What brings you here on a Halloween night?"

I said, "Well, I came in here to have a drink and get laid, just like everyone else."

About 10 minutes later, no lies told, we left together. It was a fine, fun night for both of us. We never exchanged last names.

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Crusader13 said:

Lying To Have Sex With Someone Could Soon Be Considered... | 10 daily

Now, I was originally appalled by this until I did a little research. Turns out laws like this already exist in some forms, because in certain unusual situations, a woman can be deceived into thinking she's sleeping with her boyfriend when it's in fact someone else. Also, as far as I know, not disclosing that you have a sexually transmitted disease has always been frowned upon by the law in most countries. Any reasonable person should be OK with that.

But the way new laws are being proposed in Australia is a worrying sign of empowerment gone too far. Basically, even talking yourself up or just driving an expensive car to insinuate you have a lot of money, can become a crime if it leads to sex. In other words, if the woman regrets sleeping with you, you committed an act of sexual assault; sex by deception.

Although this represents an interesting scenario - I would argue that women deceive a lot more than men do. Women have a plethora of accessories, clothing, and other means of seeming more attractive than men do. Makeup, eyeliner, lipstick push-up bras, g-strings, perfume, hair extensions, fake fingernails, stockings, are all common forms of female attire designed solely to make them seem more attractive than they really are. It can easily be claimed that a man was falsely enticed to sleep with a woman because of these things.

That being said, something tells me these laws will be designed and enforced to err on the side of the woman. In other words, if it happens to a woman, it's sexual assault. If it happens to a man, it's complicated.

The other issue is proving that the lie did in fact lead to sex. A woman could easily claim that the man's pleasant smell was the main reason she slept with him, but after his deodorant and cologne wore off and his true scent was revealed, she felt deceived. Where (and how) do you draw the line?

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AProudLefty said:

It seems to come down to consent. If a woman doesn't want to have a sex with a married man, that's a no right there. No means no.

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maquiscat said:

I am alright with outright lies being the basis. If you drive up in a Porsche, and claim it's yours, and they say they never would have slept with you if they knew otherwise, you are guilty. However, if you say nothing and they never ask, you made no false representation, they made a false assumption. I would hold this to the point of lying about procreation ability. Now mind you there are only two situations where this would apply. If she claims to have had a hysterectomy or he claims to have lost his testicles (such as to cancer). These are the only two situations where a pregnancy cannot occur. Tubes tied? Yeah much less of a risk but a risk all the same.

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AProudLefty said:

It seems to come down to consent. If a woman doesn't want to have a sex with a married man, that's a no right there. No means no.

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Crusader13 said:

So can a man decide that he doesn't want to have sex with a slutty woman? Do you think we should start changing social norms to make it acceptable to ask women how many sexual partners they've had in the past year? Most women right now would storm off and ignore any man who asks them that, but what you're suggesting is that it should be a normal part of the conversation and women should, in the interest of respecting the law, answer the question, even if they feel it violates their privacy.

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AProudLefty said:

He would know once he goes in anyway. :lamo

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SDET said:

Are you suggesting that he won't appreciate the extra beef on the beef 'n cheddar?

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AProudLefty said:

He would know once he goes in anyway. :lamo

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Crusader13 said:

Touche - but at that point he's already soiled his record. What if he's trying to break the world record for consecutive amount of virgins slept with, and she robbed him of it by deceit!

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Crusader13 said:

Lying To Have Sex With Someone Could Soon Be Considered... | 10 daily

Now, I was originally appalled by this until I did a little research. Turns out laws like this already exist in some forms, because in certain unusual situations, a woman can be deceived into thinking she's sleeping with her boyfriend when it's in fact someone else. Also, as far as I know, not disclosing that you have a sexually transmitted disease has always been frowned upon by the law in most countries. Any reasonable person should be OK with that.

But the way new laws are being proposed in Australia is a worrying sign of empowerment gone too far. Basically, even talking yourself up or just driving an expensive car to insinuate you have a lot of money, can become a crime if it leads to sex. In other words, if the woman regrets sleeping with you, you committed an act of sexual assault; sex by deception.

Although this represents an interesting scenario - I would argue that women deceive a lot more than men do. Women have a plethora of accessories, clothing, and other means of seeming more attractive than men do. Makeup, eyeliner, lipstick push-up bras, g-strings, perfume, hair extensions, fake fingernails, stockings, are all common forms of female attire designed solely to make them seem more attractive than they really are. It can easily be claimed that a man was falsely enticed to sleep with a woman because of these things.

That being said, something tells me these laws will be designed and enforced to err on the side of the woman. In other words, if it happens to a woman, it's sexual assault. If it happens to a man, it's complicated.

The other issue is proving that the lie did in fact lead to sex. A woman could easily claim that the man's pleasant smell was the main reason she slept with him, but after his deodorant and cologne wore off and his true scent was revealed, she felt deceived. Where (and how) do you draw the line?

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Bullseye said:

Outlawing lying to get sex? Sounds like a lot of bars in Australia are going to go bankrupt.

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AProudLefty said:

Don't people usually go to bars to get sex anyway? :lol:

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Bullseye said:

The girls all get prettier at closing time?

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