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Prostitution poll

Prostitution poll

  • I have hired a prostitute for sex, but it was rare

    Votes: 7 20.6%
  • I have hired a lot of prostitutes for sex.

    Votes: 6 17.6%
  • I have had sex with a prostitute, but it was free

    Votes: 6 17.6%
  • Never had sex with a prostitute, but might in the future

    Votes: 7 20.6%
  • I have been (or am) a prostitute for sex

    Votes: 4 11.8%
  • I have worked in the sex trade industry, but not as a prostitute

    Votes: 7 20.6%
  • I have many close friends who are/were prostitutes

    Votes: 6 17.6%
  • I have hired sex indirectly via buying the other person stuff

    Votes: 4 11.8%
  • I would consider marrying an ex prostitute

    Votes: 14 41.2%
  • I would not consider marrying an ex prostitute

    Votes: 10 29.4%

  • Total voters
    34
Your messages are just the clown car, claiming a drug addict 47 year old impoverished woman doing a $10 BJ in her trailer park when she gets lucky is no different than a doctor and dentist - and claiming a $10 BJ is no different than open heart surgery. :roll:

Why do you hate women? Why dont you want them to be safe?


Legalize prostitution and regulate it. Men and women will both be safer and happier


Legalize it
 
Yes it would 100% be about prostitution - specifically refusing to comply with the orders of and giving a cut to their pimp, which you want that pimp to be the government. Wanting to throw piles of prostitutes in prison is not legalization. It is radical criminalization.

Just like we throw piles of doctors in jail for not paying their pimp....I mean the government.


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...specifically refusing to comply with the orders of and giving a cut to their pimp, which you want that pimp to be the government...

So you want to do away with taxation for all.

Can I refuse to pay my pimp - that would save me about 30% of my income ?
 
None. I didn't even serve there though I have heard of the expression, which seemingly a Vietnam veteran has not.

Ah...

You have revealed much.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)
 
You did answer. Prostitutes that will not follow government rules and regulations and caught doing so would be put in jail unless they pay all the fines same as now, only you want more laws they can be jailed for, not less.

Putting prostitutes in jail does not equate to legalization, does it?

What you are doing is a classic example of the fallacy known as a slippery slope.
 
Throw lots of prostitutes in prison. Protect Johns, pimps and sex traffickers.

Well, you're not paying attention. I said, in my disclosure of my opinion, that pimping should continue to be illegal, to prevent exploitation and to give a legal framework to law enforcement in order to prosecute human trafficking.

And your catastrophic slippery slope that millions of prostitutes would be in jail if the profession got legalized is contradicted by the experience of countries where prostitution is legal and regulated. What you see in those countries is that the vast majority of prostitutes then go and practice within the law. They are not being thrown in jail by the hundreds of thousands and millions as you pretend, with no substantiation in reality whatsoever. Just like the vast majority of doctors practice within the law, as well as the vast majority of dentists, lawyers, carpenters, plumbers, electricians, accountants, etc.

Regulating a profession doesn't result in millions of people being thrown in jail... but rather results in millions of people practicing within the law, and themselves, their clients, and customers being protected against a variety of risks, including malpractice, lack of payment, etc.

If an electrician is hired by a customer to do a complex electric installation, he will show a state license, he will be approved by his guild as a bona fide licensed and insured electrician. If his work is substandard and sets the client's house on fire, the client will be able to seek legal reparation. If his work is outstanding and the client refuses to pay the contracted price, he will be able to seek legal reparation.

If electrician work were illegal, neither situation would be amenable to legal reparation.

I don't know about you, but every single time I needed an electrician to do some serious work, they were able to show me a state license when I asked for one, and were able to provide a legal contract. Much better than some unqualified amateur screwing up and jeopardizing my house with fire risk.

What would you rather have? A licensed electrician, or a non-licensed amateur illegally practicing electrician work? I don't know about you, but I'd go with the former.

It doesn't mean that hundreds of thousands of fake electricians are in jail.

Get a grip. Walk away from the over-dramatic and hyperbolic slippery slope. Nobody is about to throw millions of prostitutes in jail by legalizing and regulating their profession. It's a win-win; it's safer for them and safer for the Johns, and both sides will gladly embrace the safer practicing field, like it happens in many enlightened countries already.

This has nothing to do with being a liberal or a conservative.

It's simply a question of public health and public safety.

The fact that in order to practice medicine, a doctor needs to get a license (by providing proof of the proper education and certificates and the proper passing scores in licensing examinations, and passing a background check and other requirements by the State Medical Board) protects the public.

Would you rather go to a licensed doctor, or to some con artist pretending to be a doctor and illegally practicing Medicine with no qualifications?

Me, I'd go to a licensed real doctor.

I don't have any need for a prostitute, like I said. I'm happily married to a wonderful, loving, classy, beautiful, and sexy woman who is a great sex partner and whom I deeply love and respect.

But if I needed the services of a prostitute, I'd rather go to a licensed one in a legalized and sanitary environment, who would be tested and certified STD-free and who would not try to rob me, rather than an STD-infected low life with a violent criminal as a pimp, in some sleazy back alley.

All countries who legalized and regulated prostitution saw a sharp decline in crimes associated with the profession (robbery, human trafficking, abuse and exploitation) and STDs. These countries did NOT see a sharp increase in arrests of prostitutes who skipped the rules.

Think of it.

Let's say you have in a country 1,000,000 prostitutes, and prostitution is illegal. There, you have ALL of them in an illegal situation, therefore subject to arrest.

Now, say that the country legalizes and regulates prostitution, and 950,000 of them gladly embrace the safety and security of the new environment, and abide by the law. 50,000 don't and practice outside the law. Now you have 50,000 of them subject to arrest. That's 20 times fewer than before.

So, why do you suppose that turning 950,000 of them into legal practitioners would INCREASE the number of incarcerations? It makes no sense.

Even if, say, half of them refused to abide by the law, you'd still have only 500,000 illegal, while before you had all 1,000,000 illegal.

So how in the hell do you think that legalizing the profession would INCREASE the arrests???
 
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LOL I love looking at the voting in this failed poll its hilarious!
 
"Failed poll" why?

Because of a diversity of responses?

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its a wortless poll and because many of the response are joke responses mocking how stupid and meaningless the poll is. Its hilarious!
 
Well, you're not paying attention.

Your message is right out of a total fantasyland world where things are as you want, and then plan and rant out of the delusional and convenient fantasy.

Seriously, your message is desperately absurd. Comparing prostitutes to doctors and electricians?!

To become an electrician, the person has to graduate from high school. Then they have to obtain a technical degree more difficult than most bachelors degrees. During this, they have to prove themselves and gain extensive on-the-job experience as an apprentice. Nor can they just slide thru because next they have to pass a battery of difficult technical written tests administered by the government involving a great deal of memorization.

With that degree, certification, experience and license, they can get a full time lifelong career job in any city as an electrician, with the only question being how high up the good salary ladder can the person go.

To become a prostitute requires nothing. A person could have no education, be illiterate, an alcoholic, drug addict who lives in someone's garage and sleeps until 2 in the afternoon. How long that person will be a prostitute in her/his life might be 30 minutes and hate it so much won't do it again.

Comparing electricians to prostitutes is either as stupid as it gets or as lacking in intellectual integrity as possible.

Bluntly, what you want is hateful and evil towards prostitutes and totally driven by your own concerns about yourself. You literally want the government to demand and require - under threat of imprisonment - that anyone who engages in prostitution - even just once - FIRST must forever publicly declare to the entire world, to all their family, all their friends, to their children and grandchildren, that they are a prostitute first.

Anyone calling what you want is "legalization of prostitution" is lying. What you/they are demanding are a pile of new criminal laws to put prostitutes in jail - and even if the person isn't ever caught and prosecuted - even if they are a prostitute briefly literally to try to keep herself or her children being evicted to the street or starving - to do all possible to permanently brand that woman for life as a prostitute and do all possible to ruin her future permanently - all to protect you from those evil women that apparently terrify you for which you demand knowing who they are.

I suppose you want them all searchable for where you live like a sex offenders in your neighborhood search too, don't you? Maybe you would feel safer if everyone who is a prostitute - and anyone caught being a prostitute - should have "PROSTITUTE" permanently tattooed on their foreheads.

And the rules upon those who use a prostitute they must first and thereafter comply with that you want to protect prostitutes? NONE.

What are the safety requirements and regulations on behalf of prostitutes that you and the others who posted the same want required of YOU if or they ever go to a prostitute? First being drug tested to protect the prostitute from STDs? Tested every month? Get a license after a background check for violent behavior so the prostitutes are safe from you in terms of violence? Fill out a form of how much you paid each prostitute for government auditing? Criminal laws such as prohibiting you from having a weapon? Criminalizing being with a prostitute if on drugs or drunk to protect the prostitute?

OH OF COURSE NOT. Not YOU. AND HELL NO - not you being required to permanently announce to everyone you use prostitutes! YOU have YOUR privacy, your prostitute (or victim of your wealth, depending how one looks at it) has NO privacy rights.

Your messages and others who want the same are all about hatred and fear of prostitutes, for which you want piles of criminal laws to protect you from them - to publicly humiliate them permanently too. But want nothing to protect them from you and certainly believe YOU are privacy rights over who YOU have sex with.

Disgusting.
 
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Disgusting.

Jesus. I've rarely read such a misguided rant. First of all, I have NEVER used a prostitute, and never will, so drop the YOU and all the personal accusations you are making against me.

Second, you say this, "no education, be illiterate, an alcoholic, drug addict who lives in someone's garage and sleeps until 2 in the afternoon" and I'm the one who hates prostitutes? Listen to yourself!

And no, it's not a fantasy world. It's what happens in real life in countries like the Netherlands. Get informed. Nobody is jailing prostitutes there. It's legal. It's a win-win: they are safer, and the Johns are safer too.

And again, all the catastrophes you predict in your rant are nothing more than the fallacy known as a slippery slope.

Sure, electricians need a lot of qualifications. And doctors. And lawyers. And so on. Professions have different requirements. Tax drivers are also regulated. All that they need to know is how to drive a car and consult a GPS app. A prostitute needs to know about safe sex and be a good lover. The qualifications are not huge. Regulating professions will of course involve different degrees of qualifications, according to each profession.

The profession of prostitution, called the oldest in the world, should also be regulated so that BOTH the prostitutes and their clients are safer. Period, full stop. The rest of your rant is a paranoid fantasy worthy of 1984. There is no Big Brother in the Netherlands. Calm down.

PS - You still haven't explained how making of an illegal activity that might get EVERYBODY who practices it in jail, something LEGAL, will somehow INCREASE the number of arrests. That's crazy.

It's simple:

100% illegal: 100% of exposure to arrest.

Legal: only exposes to arrest a subset that doesn't comply with the regulations (and this, after various opportunities such as fines). Necessarily this subset is smaller than the previous total because a percentage of those previously illegal ones will become legal. Therefore, fewer than 100% will be exposed to arrest.

In your crazy scenario, somehow the arrests will increase. Unreal!!!

A real life example: look at Portugal. They decriminalized all drugs of abuse. Would that INCREASE the number of arrests for drug use? Of course not. It dramatically decreased it, actually it eliminated it completely.

Making something previously illegal, legal, of course decreases the number of arrests. You pretend that the opposite happens. That's crazy, and borders on delusional.
 
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its a wortless poll and because many of the response are joke responses mocking how stupid and meaningless the poll is. Its hilarious!
There isn't a single post in the thread to indicate people are spoofing their responses, and a dozen or more with detailed explanations over why people voted (honestly) the way they did.

On what basis do you claim the answers are jokes? Are you so convinced involvement in prostitution or hiring of prostitutes is an uncommon thing?

I also don't understand why you or anyone would consider the poll meaningless. I can personally testify that we live in an age when people will confess to soliciting prostitutes in front of strangers. A decade back, while riding on the subway, I kept my eyes down and held my peace as two 50-something men--one sitting in front of me, one sitting beside me--casually chatted for 25 minutes about how great prostitutes were, and who in their respective neighbourhoods was hiring who. Since then, not a year has gone by where I haven't learned a little more about the prevalence of prostitution.

If you think the poll is worthless because our society is too upright and chaste to hire prostitutes and admit it to the world, while I admire your optimism, it doesn't mesh with my experience.
 
1.) There isn't a single post in the thread to indicate people are spoofing their responses, and a dozen or more with detailed explanations over why people voted (honestly) the way they did.

2.)I also don't understand why you or anyone would consider the poll meaningless.

1.) Then you better read again or you could simply look at the responses also LMAO
2.) its meaningless like other posters said because it doesnt provide any real info that matters.
 
A real life example: look at Portugal. They decriminalized all drugs of abuse. Would that INCREASE the number of arrests for drug use? Of course not. It dramatically decreased it, actually it eliminated it completely.

When a person repeatedly demonstrates they have NO intellectual integrity in their messages not only in the same message but even the same paragraph, it is pointless to continue the discussion.

In that paragraph, you claim that decriminalizing drugs eliminated all drug arrests, claiming therefore this proves you are correct in wanting to add many criminal regulations against prostitutes that do not now exist.

It would not be possible no matter how hard you tried to more contradict yourself in that paragraph. So why should I waste any more time on you?
 
Safer for their pimps, at least.

You are correct. Currently, it is not necessary to prove no-consent to being a prostitute to break up a prostitution sex trafficking ring. Merely running a prostitution ring constitutes many serious felonies.

Legalization, regulated or not, unless the women - beaten and raped into being totally Stockholm Syndrome controlled, made drug addict dependent upon the pimp/operator, and knowing the police are not going to assign each 24/7 protection and put them thru a witnesses protection program - law enforcement could do nothing about it - even if in a "licensed" brothel and the sex-slaves "licensed."

Legalization would be a pimp's and sex trafficker's dream come true.

Prostitution should remain a minor misdemeanor to keep it off the streets, away from schools and out of shopping malls. If some woman wants to do a BJ for $20 in the back of a bar, alley or front seat of his car, whatever. I don't really care either way.

There is no arresting prostitutes crisis. There is no lack of total government control crisis. There is no need to change how it is. Government going into the pimp business has so many horrific certain results they are too numerous to count and it would be more corrupting of government and law enforcement than have drug laws.

Most licensed prostitution operations would be run indirectly by people in law enforcement and most of the prostitutes would have been extorted into it as an alternative to being arrested for possession of illegal drugs. It would be a true nightmare for poor, vulnerable females (and males).
 
...legalization would be a pimp's and sex trafficker's dream come true....

No it wouldn't, it would put most of them out of business

The prostitute would no longer be forced to hide as a criminal and be afforded the same police protection as "legal" workers


You should base your wild claims on the Nevada experience of legalized prostitution. Do you think prostitutes there wish is would be criminalized ?
 
...legalization would be a pimp's and sex trafficker's dream come true....

No it wouldn't, it would put most of them out of business

The prostitute would no longer be forced to hide as a criminal and be afforded the same police protection as "legal" workers


You should base your wild claims on the Nevada experience of legalized prostitution. Do you think prostitutes there wish is would be criminalized ?
 
With legalization, even with "regulations," NOTHING stops this from happening.

Two cops catches a poor young drug addict with meth. The cop tell her (or him) there are two choices:
1.) Be arrested for a felon and go to prison, where she also will no longer be able to get her drug fix and her life overall ruined sitting in a prison somewhere or

2.) Get a prostitution license, telling her to talk to do this with, and be a prostitute for the operation he and other officers are running. This keeps her out of jail, doesn't stop her having her meth and he'd even let her keep 25% of what she charges to buy meth with.

Of course, maybe the 18 year old pretty female had meth, or maybe the cops lied claiming she did - they producing it themselves - giving her the choice. Arrest/prison or work for them as one of there "legal" prostitutes.

What's she going to do, turn him and herseld into another cop? Which cop is safe to tell? Give up her addiction? Hope she isn't killed as a witness? Her word as a nobody drug addict versus 2 cops? Or if it wasn't her meth, hope the DA and jury will agree with her accusations against 2 cops?

What are the odds any 18 year old could ever win claiming 2 police officers planted drugs on her? 0.1%?

Cops could get away with planting drugs on anyone they want to if that's the cop's wish. Just pull them over and "find it" in the vehicle or in her purse. Let her claim "the cops planted that on me!" when she finally is brought out of jail cell 9 months later for her trial?

The #1 reason cops and sheriffs have gone to prison is being corrupted by drug laws. Now let's add being corrupted by legalized (regulated or not) prostitution, which could result in far worse victimization that being in the illegal drug business as a cop. Who being in the drug business hurts is other drug dealers. Who being in the prostitution business would hurt is vulnerable poor young people - whether or not they were a prostitute before being forced to work for the police.

Will poor, vulnerable drunk addict women have sex with a cop to avoid arrest? Yes, that is common. Would any become a prostitute for a cop-prostitution operation to avoid arrest and imprisonment? Already happens. What would change is the ability to prosecute. It would be legal for the cops to operate a prostitute ring as long as the prostitutes filled out and paid a licensing form.

The difference now? It is impossible for police, pimps, sex traffickers or anyone else to run a legal prostitution ring. That is just ONE of the disasters that would destroy so many young people's lives.
 
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...two cops catches a poor young drug addict with meth. The cop tell her (or him) there are two choices:
1.) Be arrested for a felon and go to prison, where she also will no longer be able to get her drug fix and her life overall ruined sitting in a prison somewhere or

2.) Get a prostitution license, telling her to talk to do this with, and be a prostitute for the operation he and other officers are running....


So fire the cops and throw them in jail

Get the drug addict into rehab.

The addict will be safe if prostitution is legalized as well as fairly wealthy

You would force her to become a criminal and place her at the mercy of crooked cops or pimps



...what's she going to do...?

What's best for her ?

Enter a criminal, underground occupation where she can't seek help

or

Enter a legal, well paid occupation - one small downside is you don't approve of it. I think she'll live with that.
 
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