Prostitution poll

Rich2018 said:

The federal government just said there were as many as 22 million illegal immigrants in the USA

If prostitution were legal, a great many would find themselves working in legal brothels where their illegal status would make them vulnerable and less likely to come out and seek medical help and mandatory checks
So yes we have laws to deport illegals, we don't deport them.. So checking for illegal in brothels should be a priority as should licensing regulations - the same way it is difficult for an illegal immigrant to get a diver's license




Depends what the felony is
If it's for violence or drug dealing for example, I wouldn't want them within a million miles from a legalized brothel




Again a regulation, would you want ads in comic books or billboards or national TV ?

How about on the hood of a NASCAR car ?

How old would you have to be to enter a brothel (or work there) - the age of consent or 21 like the national drinking age in bars is ?




Absolutely that is required
To protect the prostitute themselves as well as a degree of protection for their customers. A condom will help you only so much




No it has to be mandatory.

It's true that a person tested today might pass but tested tomorrow might fail - but that is true of all tests including emissions tests
At least with a mandatory test we have a better idea who the prostitute may have infected so they have a chance to be tested themselves




Who else would you suggest - everyone who works in a licensed brothel ? OK, I could accept that






No. in the same way a restaurant customer has the right to assume his/her food is clean without inspecting the licenses on the wall or the kitchen, a brothel customer should expect and assume the prostitute is clean.

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We're starting to just repeat ourselves.

I'm not going to try to break this off into a debate about immigration. I don't see brothels as immigration check points. Now, if you are advocating e-verify for ALL employers for all employees you definitely got my agreement.

I don't see any particular danger of a felon for drug dealing being any particular risk working in a brothel. What about bartenders and restaurant workers? They are far more in a position to drug someone. Like any business, there can be reasonable regulations. So if STDs testing is required from brothel workers I'm ok with that.

People who have STDs still have sex. I gather you want someone with any STDs to be banned from prostitution? Do you include herpes? By age 50, 90% of Americans have herpes. There is no cure.

Where we mostly disagree (currently) is you believe the government should control people to protect them from stupidity - and believe people will go along with this. I don't agree on both fronts. First, I don't see the job of the government generally as protecting people from themselves. Second, you are presuming a nature of prostitutes and Johns that I see as opposite their natures. They are not responsible people. Rather, they are among the most reckless and irresponsible of all adults.

It is my experience that most people are going to do whatever they want to do - regardless of laws. This is particularly true for people already engaging in criminal activities. If a prostitute will ignore anti-prostitute laws, they will ignore prostitution regulatory rules too. Not all. But most.

That's why I like a voluntary system. As a prostitute and/or a John - a person can be licensed and/or have an STDs certification. However, I would like to see the STD certification program be one available to everyone. It could even be a technique to pick up people or be picked by almost like a new social behavior thing. Interested in sex? Just display your STD clean certificate.

Sex is sex, paid or not. STDs are STDs, prostitution or not.

joko104 said:

...I don't see brothels as immigration check points....

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I do. I see ALL regulated places of work an immigration check point - far better than manning road blocks, which should be scrapped and should NEVER exist in a free country but somewhere like Nazi Germany

...if you are advocating e-verify for ALL employers for all employees you definitely got my agreement...

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Yes, not singling out legalized brothels

...I don't see any particular danger of a felon for drug dealing being any particular risk working in a brothel. What about bartenders and restaurant workers? They are far more in a position to drug someone....

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Because of the delicate nature of legalized brothels and the history of physical abuse/intimidation, I don't think it would be a good idea to allow dangerous people in brothels - and that would include people with felonies for violence
You yourself gave enough anecdotes to warrant that

Likewise for people with drug related felonies

...People who have STDs still have sex. I gather you want someone with any STDs to be banned from prostitution? Do you include herpes? By age 50, 90% of Americans have herpes. There is no cure....

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People with uncured STDs banned yes.
If by having sex, you are at risk of passing on such a disease

Where did you get your figures from because I'm somewhat skeptical of them

...where we mostly disagree (currently) is you believe the government should control people to protect them from stupidity...

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Yeah, people are stupid. So we mandate things like wearing motorbike helmets, wearing seat belts and not taking drugs because ultimately we pay for their stupidity with increased health insurance premiums - to say nothing of the cost to dependents who need those stupid people healthy

...you are presuming a nature of prostitutes and Johns that I see as opposite their natures. They are not responsible people. Rather, they are among the most reckless and irresponsible of all adults....

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I would never go to a prostitute or be one
Then again I don't smoke either - though millions do despite the overwhelming case that they should not

...it is my experience that most people are going to do whatever they want to do - regardless of laws....

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It may sound medieval but modern society rules by fear. If you don't fear the consequences of an illegal action you probably will do it
So make people afraid to break the law....penalties for doing so shouldn't be an inconvenience but a deterrent

...that's why I like a voluntary system....

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That would be like voluntary taxes

Would you like to see health and safety be voluntary for restaurants ?

...STDs are STDs...

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They're bad, so let's do our best to cut them out.