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Young transgender regret

Renae said:
Lisa, I know from PERSONAL Experience, multiple therapist when I started tryign to come to grips with this from day one they were "Oh you think you're trans then you are". Does that mean all Therapist are like that? No of course not, but I ran into statistically too many for it to be written off. There is an honest discussion that needs to be had about the issue.
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A therapist should not be encouraging their patients. This is a time for frank investigation and a complete background that reveals any possible ulterior motives for changing a persons physical gender. It should not be rushed because of the dangers that happen when it is.

May I send you a private message?
 
Lisa said:
A therapist should not be encouraging their patients. This is a time for frank investigation and a complete background that reveals any possible ulterior motives for changing a persons physical gender. It should not be rushed because of the dangers that happen when it is.

May I send you a private message?
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I agree they shouldn't. Go ahead I'm fine with that.
 
Lisa said:
It isn't choice when they were forced there as a child and kept there by the threat of social sanction.
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So what was it for Bruce from age 18 to 65 that forced him to identify as a male? I think Bruce was just jealous of all the hot girls with big tits and ass getting all the TV attention on their show.
 
Lisa said:
What gay person has even changed to being heterosexual because the medical establishment says that changing your sexual orientation isn't possible and it is dangerous to even try it

Do you have homosexual; or bisexual feelings but you have convinced yourself that you can be heterosexual if you really try? .
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You make yourself look bad when you are so mindlessly committed to your cause that you ignore reality and reason.

Some Gays Can Go Straight, Study Says - ABC News

Not saying what YOU should or shouldnt do. But the reality is, research like that pisses you off because it proves people can and do. Natural orientation is natural...no dispute. Choosing to live either with or in opposition to natural orientation is a choice. SUCCESSFUL living...both living within or in opposition to natural orientation, comes from finding peace and love of SELF.
 
dixon01767 said:
So what was it for Bruce from age 18 to 65 that forced him to identify as a male? I think Bruce was just jealous of all the hot girls with big tits and ass getting all the TV attention on their show.
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What a very silly statement. Society was not all that accepting, and TRUST me, for many of us who are trans, especially over 30, we've lived our lives as "men" (or women which ever the case may be) and the prospect of transitioning is not easy. The older you are, the less Hormones affect you, the harder it is to forge a new life.
 
VanceMack said:
You make yourself look bad when you are so mindlessly committed to your cause that you ignore reality and reason.

Some Gays Can Go Straight, Study Says - ABC News

Not saying what YOU should or shouldnt do. But the reality is, research like that pisses you off because it proves people can and do. Natural orientation is natural...no dispute. Choosing to live either with or in opposition to natural orientation is a choice. SUCCESSFUL living...both living within or in opposition to natural orientation, comes from finding peace and love of SELF.
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I suspect the majority of bisexuals CHOOSE to either identify as homosexual or heterosexual. And many change their choice at some point in their life.
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...the emergence of "plastic sexuality," "confluent love," and the "pure relationship" as democratic and desirable alternatives to a sexuality harnessed to reproduction, love based on addictive or co-dependent relationships, and the rights and obligations of traditional marriage. The separation of sexuality from procreation entails its freedom from heterosexuality and its emergence as an individual attribute, something individuals can develop, enjoy, change or project as part of their changing definition of the self. Sexuality becomes plastic because the self itself has broken the bounds of traditional institutional expectations and it is now free to constitute and reconstitute itself in a series of narratives answering to nothing else but the growing freedom of individuals to develop their potential.
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VanceMack said:
You make yourself look bad when you are so mindlessly committed to your cause that you ignore reality and reason.

Some Gays Can Go Straight, Study Says - ABC News

Not saying what YOU should or shouldnt do. But the reality is, research like that pisses you off because it proves people can and do. Natural orientation is natural...no dispute. Choosing to live either with or in opposition to natural orientation is a choice. SUCCESSFUL living...both living within or in opposition to natural orientation, comes from finding peace and love of SELF.
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Did you bother to read the very first paragraph? The study was horribly biased because it was conducted a by a group with an obvious anti-gay agenda.
A controversial new study says yes — if they really want to. Critics, though, say the study's subjects may be deluding themselves and that the subject group was scientifically invalid because many of them were referred by anti-gay religious groups.
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You might want to read what psychologists say about conversion therapy.

Just the Facts about Sexual Orientation and Youth: A Primer for School Personnel
 
dixon01767 said:
So what was it for Bruce from age 18 to 65 that forced him to identify as a male? I think Bruce was just jealous of all the hot girls with big tits and ass getting all the TV attention on their show.
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You set the bar low on logic and then fail to achieve even your absurdly low levels. People aren't transgendered because they are jealous of the opposite gender. I know for a fact that Bruce/Caitlyn was taking female hormones long before the show.
 
VanceMack said:
You make yourself look bad when you are so mindlessly committed to your cause that you ignore reality and reason.

Some Gays Can Go Straight, Study Says - ABC News

Not saying what YOU should or shouldnt do. But the reality is, research like that pisses you off because it proves people can and do. Natural orientation is natural...no dispute. Choosing to live either with or in opposition to natural orientation is a choice. SUCCESSFUL living...both living within or in opposition to natural orientation, comes from finding peace and love of SELF.
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??? did you just post that for evidence to support YOU?
Holy mega fail batman! :lamo
 
dixon01767 said:
So what was it for Bruce from age 18 to 65 that forced him to identify as a male? I think Bruce was just jealous of all the hot girls with big tits and ass getting all the TV attention on their show.
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Lisa said:
Did you bother to read the very first paragraph? The study was horribly biased because it was conducted a by a group with an obvious anti-gay agenda.


You might want to read what psychologists say about conversion therapy.

Just the Facts about Sexual Orientation and Youth: A Primer for School Personnel
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There are many studies...and all you are doing is seeking confirmation bias. People 'choose' intimate alternate lifestyles all the time...including prison populations, women that have given up on heteronormative lives, etc. Whether you want to admit it or not, there are MANY people that CHOOSE to live happy, healthy, productive heterosexual lives even with homosexual ideation. What is very telling is not that there are those that choose to do so but rather your angry insistence that they dont exist, or shouldnt.
 
VanceMack said:
There are many studies...and all you are doing is seeking confirmation bias. People 'choose' intimate alternate lifestyles all the time...including prison populations, women that have given up on heteronormative lives, etc. Whether you want to admit it or not, there are MANY people that CHOOSE to live happy, healthy, productive heterosexual lives even with homosexual ideation. What is very telling is not that there are those that choose to do so but rather your angry insistence that they dont exist, or shouldnt.
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So you're a bisexual?
 
AProudLefty said:
So you're a bisexual?
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I would be comfortable being gay or bisexual if I were either because I actually really like the person that stares back at me from the mirror. I'm sure you thought you had a point...but I think you failed to make it.
 
VanceMack said:
I would be comfortable being gay or bisexual if I were either because I actually really like the person that stares back at me from the mirror. I'm sure you thought you had a point...but I think you failed to make it.
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I'll clarify since the point seems too difficult for you to grasp. You claimed that sexual orientation is a choice and can be chosen, then by that logic, you are a bisexual because by definition they can choose either one.
 
VanceMack said:
I would be comfortable being gay or bisexual if I were either because I actually really like the person that stares back at me from the mirror. I'm sure you thought you had a point...but I think you failed to make it.
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You either have a narcissistic personality disorder or you are autogynephilia.
 
Lisa said:
You either have a narcissistic personality disorder or you are autogynephilia.
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:lamo

I see. People that like themselves are narcissistic.

Its not a shocker that you are so miserable.
 
AProudLefty said:
I'll clarify since the point seems too difficult for you to grasp. You claimed that sexual orientation is a choice and can be chosen, then by that logic, you are a bisexual because by definition they can choose either one.
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I dont think you are following the same conversation. I think maybe your comprehension and understanding is driven by your own sad little agenda.

try again.
 
VanceMack said:
I dont think you are following the same conversation. I think maybe your comprehension and understanding is driven by your own sad little agenda.

try again.
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Thank you for conceding that sexual orientation can not be chosen. Gay people can pretend to be straight all they want (it happens all the time), the fact is that their orientation remains and is hard wired.
 
AProudLefty said:
Thank you for conceding that sexual orientation can not be chosen. Gay people can pretend to be straight all they want (it happens all the time), the fact is that their orientation remains and is hard wired.
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Again...all you are managing to do is demonstrate you were so invested in making snotty comments you forgot to actually follow the conversation.
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo

I see. People that like themselves are narcissistic.

Its not a shocker that you are so miserable.
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I'm not miserable. I just really hate stupid people, and you are typhoid Marty.
 
Lisa said:
I'm not miserable. I just really hate stupid people, and you are typhoid Marty.
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Awwwww.....thats not nice. Are you SURE you arent miserable? You act miserable. You certainly present as miserable. I think you are miserable. But I hope you feel better.
 
VanceMack said:
Again...all you are managing to do is demonstrate you were so invested in making snotty comments you forgot to actually follow the conversation.
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Don't like snotty comments? Don't make one.
 
AProudLefty said:
Don't like snotty comments? Don't make one.
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My comments were not snotty...they were factual and backed by an actual study. But thanks for acknowledging your sole intent.
 
VanceMack said:
My comments were not snotty...they were factual and backed by an actual study. But thanks for acknowledging your sole intent.
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This is an example of insulting comment you made:
"You make yourself look bad when you are so mindlessly committed to your cause that you ignore reality and reason."
 
Renae said:
What rationale? Refusing to accept that Gender and Sex are not intertwined? That because Science at this time lacks the "Alter DNA" that Sex must reign?
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Sex and gender are no so much intertwined as the same
 
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