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Young transgender regret

CLAX1911 said:
Just a cursory Google search I saw the most transgender people are bisexual.

But it's almost equal to the amount that are straight in the amount that are gay or lesbian.

I don't know, I've met maybe half a dozen transgender people. Out of them, five are male to female. Every single one of them is with another woman. So if we just go with my anecdotes it would seem that most of them would fall into the category of lesbian. But like I said I don't know that many of them.
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What source said most transgendered are bisexual? Did they state whether they were pre or post-op at the time of polling because the hormones can alter their orientional to some degree?
 
Rich2018 said:
It remains a moot point if a man identifies as female and is attracted to other males is he/she "gay" or "straight" ?
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I would say gay because I would go by the sex not the identity. sexual orientation is based on identity it's based on sex.

Does any amount of surgery change that ?
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I don't know. If I take it from my perspective if someone I'm through all the surgery to make themselves into a man physically I don't know. I'm not even sure if medical Science has to that level yet. At least you where it's attainable for your average person.

Based on the way I think now there's no way that something created by surgery could beat the real thing. But I'm open to having my mind changed.
 
Lisa said:
What source said most transgendered are bisexual? Did they state whether they were pre or post-op at the time of polling because the hormones can alter their orientional to some degree?
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I don't remember I just googled it and looked at the first two or three. They both said that 23% gay and lesbian 23% straight and 24 give or take are bisexual. I didn't go into any research about it I just looked at a few things to see if my thoughts were off base.

I don't think they are in the belief that most male-to-female transgenders are gay men before they transition and then are straight women afterward.
 
AProudLefty said:
Plenty of scholarly journals and researches for that. Google "transgender MRI study"
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So transgender people that have brain activity? I never thought that they were brain dead. And as far as female brain waves versus male brain waves can those be developed? I tend to like effeminate men it's just what I'm attracted to and I've been told they have brain structures similar to women. I'm a masculine gay man and I don't know I don't know what research has been done on people like me.

So it's entirely possible that such a thing can develop I'm not saying it's wrong or they should try to undeveloped that it's just it's possible.
 
AProudLefty said:
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First I prefer more effeminate men. But I have been curious and bucked up female to male transitions I've seen quite a few. Generally speaking they're very manly so not my type. But not without their appeal I can understand.

However downstairs that person is not at all male
 
CLAX1911 said:
So transgender people that have brain activity? I never thought that they were brain dead. And as far as female brain waves versus male brain waves can those be developed? I tend to like effeminate men it's just what I'm attracted to and I've been told they have brain structures similar to women. I'm a masculine gay man and I don't know I don't know what research has been done on people like me.

So it's entirely possible that such a thing can develop I'm not saying it's wrong or they should try to undeveloped that it's just it's possible.
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You mean later in life? I have no idea but sure it's possible. However transgender children show symptoms as early as 2. So where's the development?
 
CLAX1911 said:
However downstairs that person is not at all male
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It would be too confusing and too weird for me if I tried, no matter how hard I try to think of him as actual physical female. :lamo
 
ecofarm said:
Transgender has nothing to do with sexual orientation. You have no idea what you're babbling about.
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Wow, you can't read, can you?

On being "transgender" I wrote: Even if the male child really, really, really wants to look like a girl, there are a million reasons that could be and, regardless, has NOTHING to do with what the sexual desires of the child will be as an adult.

:roll: You read that as being transgender has EVERYTHING to do with sexual desires and than insult on pure stupidity.

No, you are wrong!
1. Gender and sex do NOT mean the same thing.
2. Transgender and transexual do not mean the same thing.

You promote those lies for an agenda based upon that lie.

Neither being transgender no transexual does not define which sex the person wants to have sex with.

Sexual orientation or sexual preference is a different topic than a person's sex or gender.

But you're a progressive Democrat, so predictable you claim the government tells you what you are, why and what you are to be defined as for social agendas and as control freakism. Part of that is wrongly defining words and oversimplifying everything to declare true is in generic sloganism.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I don't remember I just googled it and looked at the first two or three. They both said that 23% gay and lesbian 23% straight and 24 give or take are bisexual. I didn't go into any research about it I just looked at a few things to see if my thoughts were off base.

I don't think they are in the belief that most male-to-female transgenders are gay men before they transition and then are straight women afterward.
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They have never been gay men because they were never men in their own minds. Many of them are crossdressers who realize that dressing in the opposite gender is only part of who they are, just as trans children desire to wear the dress of their psychological gender identity.

Psychologists screen for gay men and women trying to be trans as a way around accepting their own sexual orientation at the very beginning of the process. Those people never get far in the process and very seldom are prescribed hormones to bein their transition because they do not want to transition to the opposite gender.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
I would say gay because I would go by the sex...
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And how do you judge that ?

Their sex organs ?


...I don't know. If I take it from my perspective if someone I'm through all the surgery to make themselves into a man physically I don't know. I'm not even sure if medical Science has to that level yet. At least you where it's attainable for your average person.

Based on the way I think now there's no way that something created by surgery could beat the real thing. But I'm open to having my mind changed.
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There is no medical right or wrong answer

The only thing to go by is the opinion of the person themselves. Which why I say gender should be omitted from birth certificates.
 
CLAX1911 said:
No, I mean early.



What sort of "symptoms"?
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As in exhibiting behaviors of the opposite sex. Gender dysphoria is the stress they experience society and families impose on them.
 
Lisa said:
They have never been gay men because they were never men in their own minds.
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Their mind isn't reality. So they are men.
Many of them are crossdressers who realize that dressing in the opposite gender is only part of who they are, just as trans children desire to wear the dress of their psychological gender identity.
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I don't agree that there is a such thing as trans children.

Psychologists screen for gay men and women trying to be trans as a way around accepting their own sexual orientation at the very beginning of the process. Those people never get far in the process and very seldom are prescribed hormones to bein their transition because they do not want to transition to the opposite gender.
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This kind of experimenting with people lives is highly unethical
 
Rich2018 said:
And how do you judge that ?

Their sex organs ?
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Yes.





There is no medical right or wrong answer

The only thing to go by is the opinion of the person themselves.
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disagree. If it was my opinion that I was a gorilla, I wouldn't be a gorilla.
Which why I say gender should be omitted from birth certificates.
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As far as I am aware gender isn't listed on any official paper work. Sex is.
 
AProudLefty said:
As in exhibiting behaviors of the opposite sex.
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So is a boy plays with a doll?
Gender dysphoria is the stress they experience society and families impose on them.
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Disagree, that is the stress if them being in a body they aren't comfortable with. That would definitely stress me out.
 
AProudLefty said:
Straw man.
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It wasn't a strawman, I didn't misrepresent your statement, though I probably should have asked you what you meant by exhibiting behaviors of the opposite sex.

So I apologize for that question.

What do you mean by exhibiting behaviors if the opposite sex?


You just partially proved my point.
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I can empathize with the dysphoria I've felt it myself and even still do occasionally with regard to my sexual orientation. But I would never consider conversation therapy. When I was younger, I thought about it. But it always seemed like bologna to me. Even when I really wanted it not to be.

Why do you champion it with regard to possible trans people? Shouldn't they have to wait until they are 18 years old just like a gay person should?
 
CLAX1911 said:
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disagree. If it was my opinion that I was a gorilla, I wouldn't be a gorilla.
As far as I am aware gender isn't listed on any official paper work. Sex is.
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How do you politely ask to see their sex organs when you meet a new person? This greeting was not mentioned in my copy of Emily Post.
 
CLAX1911 said:
It wasn't a strawman, I didn't misrepresent your statement, though I probably should have asked you what you meant by exhibiting behaviors of the opposite sex.

So I apologize for that question.

What do you mean by exhibiting behaviors if the opposite sex?




I can empathize with the dysphoria I've felt it myself and even still do occasionally with regard to my sexual orientation. But I would never consider conversation therapy. When I was younger, I thought about it. But it always seemed like bologna to me. Even when I really wanted it not to be.

Why do you champion it with regard to possible trans people? Shouldn't they have to wait until they are 18 years old just like a gay person should?
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Playing with dolls is a normal behavior. One would think a boy "exploring" Barbie would be a normal behavior for a boy. :lamo

Anyway I do not "champion" it. Transgenderism is a natural expression so why suppress it until they're 18?
 
Lisa said:
How do you politely ask to see their sex organs when you meet a new person?
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well if we're talking about someone on dating which was what I was talking about their genitals are going to be involved at some point. if it's just some random person that I'm not in a sexual relationship with I don't care be whoever you are.

I think a better hypothetical for you to ask me would be what would I do if my partner told me it was really a woman. Because we've had that discussion. And I think it was interesting.
This greeting was not mentioned in my copy of Emily Post.
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well if I was going to be in a relationship with somebody and it started getting serious are we expecting to tell me that they're trans. I'm going to find out eventually. I would tell them that I have Hang-Ups about dating trans people. Mostly that it's unknown territory for me and I don't know how I'm going to react but what I give it a try I don't know if I'm faced with that situation I would consider it.


I did go on a couple of dates with the young man that was in the process of transitioning and then stopped. so I would think I'm a little more open-minded than your average person but I don't know.
 
AProudLefty said:
Playing with dolls is a normal behavior. One would think a boy "exploring" Barbie would be a normal behavior for a boy. :lamo
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I would say that for girls too because every little girl I've ever baby sitted or worked with had baby dolls or Barbie dolls and they would take the clothes off of them if they could.

But as far as a boy playing with a baby doll, I would say that's rather abnormal or different if you don't like the word abnormal but I don't think that's indicative of the boy being trans.

So again I ask what sort of behavior would be indicative that they were trans?

Anyway I do not "champion" it. Transgenderism is a natural expression so why suppress it until they're 18?
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Dysphoria over homosexuality is a natural expression. Why would a homosexual person now have to wait until they're 18 to get conversion therapy?
 
CLAX1911 said:
So again I ask what sort of behavior would be indicative that they were trans?
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Isn't the answer obvious? How would non trans boys and girls behave consistently?

"Dysphoria over homosexuality is a natural expression. Why would a homosexual person now have to wait until they're 18 to get conversion therapy?"
Clarify.
 
AProudLefty said:
Isn't the answer obvious?
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I would say no. But do you understand that I have at least 10 education background in psychology. I don't think there is behavior that is specific to boys or girls there is behavior associated with particularly boys or girls but that doesn't mean that it's a hard and fast rule.

How would non trans boys and girls behave consistently?
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I've worked with and babysitters little girls then have had their haircut because these are not gum in it or something they had to have it cut real short and they said they were boys. So I don't know what you mean it's not obvious.

"Dysphoria over homosexuality is a natural expression. Why would a homosexual person now have to wait until they're 18 to get conversion therapy?"
Clarify.
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Dysphoria is a state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with life. when I say that it's about sexual orientation that removes the generalization it narrows it down to something.

So dysphoria with homosexuality would be and unease or dissatisfaction with your sexual orientation.

If you support converting a boy into a girl to ease their dysphoria why wouldn't you support converting a gay person into a straight person to ease their dysphoria?

This is a bit of an inconsistency I see on this topic. Conversion therapy is evil and bad and we should make it illegal for kids to do it but gender reassignment is it for unknown reasons.

I'm trying to get down to those unknown reasons and make them known.
 
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