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    Should Intersexed people be forced into a gender/sex at birth?

    So I've been thinking about this a little because I do defend transgenderism with evidence that it could be that at least some transgendered people are in fact intersexed, but should not have to share this.

    So the question is, should parents be encouraged to choose a sex for an intersexed child, and therefore a gender for them in those early years (that may change), at birth?



    I like how she talks about allowing intersexed people being allowed to choose intersexed or some variant to recognize themselves as who they feel they are. It is only our own problems with accepting things outside the norm which leads us to seeing them as having an issue that we need to fix, to choose one of the "norm".

    I will say that I do not think that it is just Christians who reject those that are intersexed, or at least the idea that they should be able to live life as both. I do believe that this is something that is more a cultural thing and part of human nature that simply should be examined and changed through conversations and reasoning as to why we should see choosing a sex for intersexed children as wrong.

    As I have pointed out, she points out here, intersexed people represent 1-2% of the population. As a comparison, those with natural red hair make up about 1-2% of the population.

    And this leads to a second question, should parents be prevented from choosing a sex/gender for their child at birth?
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    Re: Should Intersexed people be forced into a gender/sex at birth?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So I've been thinking about this a little because I do defend transgenderism with evidence that it could be that at least some transgendered people are in fact intersexed, but should not have to share this.

    So the question is, should parents be encouraged to choose a sex for an intersexed child, and therefore a gender for them in those early years (that may change), at birth?



    I like how she talks about allowing intersexed people being allowed to choose intersexed or some variant to recognize themselves as who they feel they are. It is only our own problems with accepting things outside the norm which leads us to seeing them as having an issue that we need to fix, to choose one of the "norm".

    I will say that I do not think that it is just Christians who reject those that are intersexed, or at least the idea that they should be able to live life as both. I do believe that this is something that is more a cultural thing and part of human nature that simply should be examined and changed through conversations and reasoning as to why we should see choosing a sex for intersexed children as wrong.

    As I have pointed out, she points out here, intersexed people represent 1-2% of the population. As a comparison, those with natural red hair make up about 1-2% of the population.

    And this leads to a second question, should parents be prevented from choosing a sex/gender for their child at birth?
    Interesting question. There's some ease in picking a gender, because the child has to have a name. Names are often gender specific (you won't meet many girls named Charles).

    If the parents are good with a gender neutral name, then i don't see why a gender should be chosen. I think either choice is valid.


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    Re: Should Intersexed people be forced into a gender/sex at birth?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Interesting question. There's some ease in picking a gender, because the child has to have a name. Names are often gender specific (you won't meet many girls named Charles).

    If the parents are good with a gender neutral name, then i don't see why a gender should be chosen. I think either choice is valid.
    Actually my brother knows a boy named Elizabeth, which was simply a family name. I bet I could even find a girl named Charles (which btw is the name of my brother who knows the boy named Elizabeth, which is my name).

    And pay attention to the percentages next to the name Charles in this link:
    Why aren’t female Charlies killing the name Charles? | Family Inequality
    That means that about 0.2% of those named Charles are most likely girls.
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    Re: Should Intersexed people be forced into a gender/sex at birth?

    There are lots of gender-neutral names, I think.

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    Re: Should Intersexed people be forced into a gender/sex at birth?

    I'm not sure why a name would really matter more than the psychological health of the child, which research lately has shown would benefit from, at the very least, the truth about being born intersexed and being able to choose for themselves if they go through hormonal therapy (when it isn't absolutely necessary, and in most cases of intersexed, it isn't).

    The most interesting thing (and hypocritical) about it is that many people are against hormonal therapy for transgender children to let them match their stated identity, but few seem to even care that many intersexed children are given such hormones, truly unnecessarily, at birth (or around that time) just because the parents want to choose their sex/gender rather than allowing them to simply be intersexed, both.
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    Re: Should Intersexed people be forced into a gender/sex at birth?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So I've been thinking about this a little because I do defend transgenderism with evidence that it could be that at least some transgendered people are in fact intersexed, but should not have to share this.

    So the question is, should parents be encouraged to choose a sex for an intersexed child, and therefore a gender for them in those early years (that may change), at birth?



    I like how she talks about allowing intersexed people being allowed to choose intersexed or some variant to recognize themselves as who they feel they are. It is only our own problems with accepting things outside the norm which leads us to seeing them as having an issue that we need to fix, to choose one of the "norm".

    I will say that I do not think that it is just Christians who reject those that are intersexed, or at least the idea that they should be able to live life as both. I do believe that this is something that is more a cultural thing and part of human nature that simply should be examined and changed through conversations and reasoning as to why we should see choosing a sex for intersexed children as wrong.

    As I have pointed out, she points out here, intersexed people represent 1-2% of the population. As a comparison, those with natural red hair make up about 1-2% of the population.

    And this leads to a second question, should parents be prevented from choosing a sex/gender for their child at birth?
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    Re: Should Intersexed people be forced into a gender/sex at birth?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    It depends on the physical realities. Mostly male then lean male at first, if female visa versa. Thats play by ear call really. Catch as catch can.
    Why choose at all though? Why can't we just accept people as both male and female, regardless of how much of one or the other they resemble?
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    Re: Should Intersexed people be forced into a gender/sex at birth?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So I've been thinking about this a little because I do defend transgenderism with evidence that it could be that at least some transgendered people are in fact intersexed, but should not have to share this.

    So the question is, should parents be encouraged to choose a sex for an intersexed child, and therefore a gender for them in those early years (that may change), at birth?



    I like how she talks about allowing intersexed people being allowed to choose intersexed or some variant to recognize themselves as who they feel they are. It is only our own problems with accepting things outside the norm which leads us to seeing them as having an issue that we need to fix, to choose one of the "norm".

    I will say that I do not think that it is just Christians who reject those that are intersexed, or at least the idea that they should be able to live life as both. I do believe that this is something that is more a cultural thing and part of human nature that simply should be examined and changed through conversations and reasoning as to why we should see choosing a sex for intersexed children as wrong.

    As I have pointed out, she points out here, intersexed people represent 1-2% of the population. As a comparison, those with natural red hair make up about 1-2% of the population.

    And this leads to a second question, should parents be prevented from choosing a sex/gender for their child at birth?
    I thought gender and sex were different things. How are parents choosing gender for their child they're only choosing the sex of their child?

    Unless gender and sex are connected

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    Re: Should Intersexed people be forced into a gender/sex at birth?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'm not sure why a name would really matter more than the psychological health of the child, which research lately has shown would benefit from, at the very least, the truth about being born intersexed and being able to choose for themselves if they go through hormonal therapy (when it isn't absolutely necessary, and in most cases of intersexed, it isn't).

    The most interesting thing (and hypocritical) about it is that many people are against hormonal therapy for transgender children to let them match their stated identity, but few seem to even care that many intersexed children are given such hormones, truly unnecessarily, at birth (or around that time) just because the parents want to choose their sex/gender rather than allowing them to simply be intersexed, both.
    People are against hormonal therapy for “transgender” children because the research shows that the majority of such children no longer hold that view after puberty. The research also shows that the majority of intersex persons are happy with the sex chosen for them at birth. So what problem are you trying to solve?

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    Re: Should Intersexed people be forced into a gender/sex at birth?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So I've been thinking about this a little because I do defend transgenderism with evidence that it could be that at least some transgendered people are in fact intersexed, but should not have to share this.

    So the question is, should parents be encouraged to choose a sex for an intersexed child, and therefore a gender for them in those early years (that may change), at birth?



    I like how she talks about allowing intersexed people being allowed to choose intersexed or some variant to recognize themselves as who they feel they are. It is only our own problems with accepting things outside the norm which leads us to see them as having an issue that we need to fix, to choose one of the "norms".

    I will say that I do not think that it is just Christians who reject those that are intersexed, or at least the idea that they should be able to live life as both. I do believe that this is something that is more a cultural thing and part of human nature that simply should be examined and changed through conversations and reasoning as to why we should see choosing a sex for intersexed children as wrong.

    As I have pointed out, she points out here, intersexed people represent 1-2% of the population. As a comparison, those with natural red hair make up about 1-2% of the population.

    And this leads to a second question, should parents be prevented from choosing a sex/gender for their child at birth?
    Absolutely not. Intyersexxed people exist naturally and they cannot be made to be forced into something that is not just so people who can only understand a simple binary perspective will feel more comfortable. We didn't force interact to choose between black and white, so why should we do the same to the intersexxed.

    The problem is religious belief is illogical, despite the fact that religious believers claim that God made us in his own image as we are. Do they plan to claim that a fetus chose to be intersexxed and they are sinners for being intersexxed and must repent before their first birthday?
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