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Should Intersexed people be forced into a gender/sex at birth?

roguenuke said:
This is 1-2% of the population (same percentage as natural redheads) and deals directly with their sex.

So what determines a person's sex?

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I have answered that question already

-VySky
 
AProudLefty said:
What exactly is a Christian identity?
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Being Christian.

And you know Christian identity is a racist group?
Christian Identity - Wikipedia
:lamo
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so you think anyone who identifies as Christian is racist? Really?

You can identify as a.Christian. You can identify as a Kung Fu master. You can identify as a Muslim. Those things are external to self. People are not born that way. It's learned. Were you born a Christian?
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No identity is something you're born with. And identity is nothing more than a label if you can't label what you are without understanding language. Nobody is born with identity at all. It's a choice you make when you are capable of it.
 
AProudLefty said:
That's what we're doing.
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Making fun of people is not stating truth.

Take for instance if we were talking about someone who believe the Earth was flat. Calling them stupid isn't stating any truth. It's expressing an opinion.

Pointing that no matter how powerful of a telescope you have you cannot see France from Florida is stating truth. And that truth undermines the idea that the Earth is flat without ever even engaging with whoever's claiming it is.
 
CLAX1911 said:
so you think anyone who identifies as Christian is racist? Really?
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I'm not sure if you're being obtuse. So I'll give you a chance to explain that nonsense.

No identity is something you're born with. And identity is nothing more than a label if you can't label what you are without understanding language. Nobody is born with identity at all. It's a choice you make when you are capable of it.
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Now you're talking about labels? You're all over places.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Making fun of people is not stating truth.

Take for instance if we were talking about someone who believe the Earth was flat. Calling them stupid isn't stating any truth. It's expressing an opinion.

Pointing that no matter how powerful of a telescope you have you cannot see France from Florida is stating truth. And that truth undermines the idea that the Earth is flat without ever even engaging with whoever's claiming it is.
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Who am I making fun of?
 
roguenuke said:
But it really isnt something that needs to be corrected. It simply is how they are born.
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I didn't say it was something that needed to be corrected I said it was a defect.

If a system does not work then it is defective by definition.

And again, how would you raise someone as a boy vs as a girl?
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I have already told you this but I'll do it again. if you have a boy you tell them they're going to grow up to be a man and their role in reproduction. If you have a girl you tell them they're going to grow up to be a woman and their role in reproduction.

if they have a birth defect you explain to have a birth defect.

Does everyone have to raise their children as you would?
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if you don't raise a boy as they're going to grow up to be a man then you are abusing that child. If you tell them they're going to get pregnant you are lying.

so if you want to have any credibility yeah you have to do at least that. if you lie to your kid and they find out they'll never believe anything you say from there on especially over something so fundamental.



What guidelines are required, necessary? I've shown that your first part wouldn't apply to most intersexed people no matter how they are raised, boy, girl, or other, since they probably won't be involved in such reproductive matters and even if they are, whatever they are taught can be adjusted for their situation.
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this is got to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.

no you didn't what I said was boys grow up to be men and girls grow up to be women women get pregnant men impregnate women.

The existence of intersex people does not say that that doesn't apply. If you can't do either of those things you have a birth defect, or a defect based on something else.

What applies to intersexed people is that they have a birth defect that might render them incapable of reproduction that is absolutely true there is no argument against that you didn't show anything.
 
VySky said:
I have answered that question already

-VySky
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No you really didnt. You said God assigns it at birth, but didnt say in what way. By genitals or DNA? Which determines true sex? What if someone has both sexes in either genitals or DNA (either is possible)?

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AProudLefty said:
I'm not sure if you're being obtuse. So I'll give you a chance to explain that nonsense.
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it's a question I'm inquiring as to if you believe what you said or not.



Now you're talking about labels? You're all over places.
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so when someone says they are man they're not labeling themselves a man what are they doing?
 
AProudLefty said:
Who am I making fun of?
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You said you made fun of people.
AProudLefty said:
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The types of religious people I make fun of are Fundies.
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I think that would depend on what you mean by fundies.

I don't know what you mean by fundies. I have an idea but that's just a guess don't ask me what you mean I don't know I can't read your mind.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I didn't say it was something that needed to be corrected I said it was a defect.

If a system does not work then it is defective by definition.

I have already told you this but I'll do it again. if you have a boy you tell them they're going to grow up to be a man and their role in reproduction. If you have a girl you tell them they're going to grow up to be a woman and their role in reproduction.

if they have a birth defect you explain to have a birth defect.

if you don't raise a boy as they're going to grow up to be a man then you are abusing that child. If you tell them they're going to get pregnant you are lying.

so if you want to have any credibility yeah you have to do at least that. if you lie to your kid and they find out they'll never believe anything you say from there on especially over something so fundamental.



this is got to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.

no you didn't what I said was boys grow up to be men and girls grow up to be women women get pregnant men impregnate women.

The existence of intersex people does not say that that doesn't apply. If you can't do either of those things you have a birth defect, or a defect based on something else.

What applies to intersexed people is that they have a birth defect that might render them incapable of reproduction that is absolutely true there is no argument against that you didn't show anything.
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Their existence accounts for about 1-2% of our population. They are not insignificant and there is nothing but your uninformed, unsupported opinion to not treat them, raise them as intersexed, rather than a specific sex, male or female.

You have provided no real way to raise a child either Male or female since what you provided does not apply to all girls or boys, and it applies to even fewer intersexed people even if they are raised as male or female. Telling them "you won't be able to have children or make children because you're genitals formed differently" isnt raising them. It's barely supporting them at all. It certainly wouldn't explain sex, their sex to them, even if you chose it for them.

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CLAX1911 said:
it's a question I'm inquiring as to if you believe what you said or not.
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It's pretty easy. I was pointing out how funny that you were naming a racist group.

so when someone says they are man they're not labeling themselves a man what are they doing?
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We're talking inborn identities and behaviors. When a 3 years old child wears, acts, talks and behaves like a girl, what do you associate said child with?
 
CLAX1911 said:
You said you made fun of people.


I think that would depend on what you mean by fundies.

I don't know what you mean by fundies. I have an idea but that's just a guess don't ask me what you mean I don't know I can't read your mind.
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Let's take Jerry Falwelll and Jimmy Swaggart for example. Are those people you would associate with true and truthful Christians?
 
roguenuke said:
Their existence accounts for about 1-2% of our population. They are not insignificant and there is nothing but your uninformed, unsupported opinion to not treat them, raise them as intersexed, rather than a specific sex, male or female.
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I'm sorry I don't know what it means to "raise someone as intersexed." So I don't really have an opinion on that so I definitely don't have an uninformed opinion on that.

I asked you what the hell that men and you're oddly silent.

You have provided no real way to raise a child either Male or female since what you provided does not apply to all girls or boys, and it applies to even fewer intersexed people even if they are raised as male or female. Telling them "you won't be able to have children or make children because you're genitals formed differently" isnt raising them. It's barely supporting them at all. It certainly wouldn't explain sex, their sex to them, even if you chose it for them.
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What I said applies to every mammalian species. So to say it doesn't apply to intersexed people is to say intersex people aren't mammalian or human.

It doesn't matter what you are men impregnate women women give birth. that's a biological fact that if you argue against you are rejecting almost the totality of science.
 
AProudLefty said:
It's pretty easy. I was pointing out how funny that you were naming a racist group.
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again I ask Christians are a racist group?


We're talking inborn identities and behaviors.
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there are no in born identities.

When a 3 years old child wears, acts, talks and behaves like a girl, what do you associate said child with?
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That depends on if the child's male or female.
 
CLAX1911 said:
again I ask Christians are a racist group?


there are no in born identities.


That depends on if the child's male or female.
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Why ask me a dumb question? :lamo. No Christians aren't a racist group.

Ok let's say the child has boys parts.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I'm sorry I don't know what it means to "raise someone as intersexed." So I don't really have an opinion on that so I definitely don't have an uninformed opinion on that.

I asked you what the hell that men and you're oddly silent.


What I said applies to every mammalian species. So to say it doesn't apply to intersexed people is to say intersex people aren't mammalian or human.

It doesn't matter what you are men impregnate women women give birth. that's a biological fact that if you argue against you are rejecting almost the totality of science.
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No it doesnt apply to those individuals and are things that can easily be taught to all children, whether raised as a boy, as a girl, or neither/both.

You continue to fail to explain how to raise a child as a girl or as a boy. Continuing to equate it to reproduction is ridiculous because those things aren't even discussed with a child until many years into their life, after they are already identifying as girl or boy or neither in most cases.

Many intersexed people can neither get pregnant nor impregnate someone else, so then your description of male or female would not apply to them.
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AProudLefty said:
You sounds like a poster I know. Starts with B.
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I am sorry you have trouble communicating. You brought up truthful Christian I expect you to define what that is as Christians.

Saying truthful questions indicates that Christians are truthful Christians. So I need to know what a truthful Christian is.

the only idea I have on what a true Christian is depends on which Christian you're talking to. So it's a way to create a "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

That logic doesn't follow and it's your problem to clear it up.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I am sorry you have trouble communicating. You brought up truthful Christian I expect you to define what that is as Christians.

Saying truthful questions indicates that Christians are truthful Christians. So I need to know what a truthful Christian is.

the only idea I have on what a true Christian is depends on which Christian you're talking to. So it's a way to create a "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

That logic doesn't follow and it's your problem to clear it up.
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A Christian who doesn't lie and take advantages of others?
 
roguenuke said:
No it doesnt apply to those individuals
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yes it does. It applies universally. Men impregnate women women give birth that is a biological fact applies across the board to everyone even if you can't get pregnant or impregnate someone.

and are things that can easily be taught to all children, whether raised as a boy, as a girl, or neither/both.
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this question makes no sense I've asked you several times to try and explain it and you refuse repeatedly.

how old is this Earth can you raise a child as neither a boy or a girl what the hell does that mean?

You continue to fail to explain how to raise a child as a girl or as a boy.
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that's because you operate in a different reality where there's no such thing as men or women or reproduction.

I don't think anyone on this planets can explain it to you in a way that you would accept because you reject reality and substitute it with your own fabrication.

I'll accept that I failed to communicate with someone who doesn't understand reality it's not possible.

Continuing to equate it to reproduction is ridiculous because those things aren't even discussed with a child until many years into their life, after they are already identifying as girl or boy or neither in most cases.
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I'm sorry I can't explain it in a way you can understand in your alternate reality.

In the reality in which I dwell, men are responsible for the impregnation of females, can females carry the baby that's what we hear in this reality call being pregnant.

now in your fantasy world where there's some third nonsense that adds into the mix to make babies I can't tell you cuz I don't know I can't even fathom that concept.

On my planet all animals reproduce either asexually or sexually there's nothing else so there's no other sex besides male and female.

I'm sorry that I can't explain the birds and the bees to someone who doesn't have the slightest concept of it.
 
AProudLefty said:
Why ask me a dumb question? :lamo.
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because you implied that people who identify as Christians belong to some weirdo group you found called Christian identity. I didn't reference them.

If you don't want me asking you dumb questions don't post stupid ****.

No Christians aren't a racist group.
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so you understand then that whatever group pause themselves whatever name does not represent all three people that identify as Christian?

This would have been avoided if you hadn't tried to be cute. I didn't think it was funny and I don't tolerate that kind of crap.

Ok let's say the child has boys parts.
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so the child is a boy so we have parents that dress their boy up as a little girl I would assume some sort of sexual abuse is happening.
 
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