• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Should Intersexed people be forced into a gender/sex at birth?

By physically changing them to represent a certain sex physically they would be choosing their sex. By raising them as a certain gender, girl or boy, they would be choosing their gender.
That's something almost all people deal with. Unless you think boys aren't raised as boys.

Gender and sex can be connected in ways without them being the same thing.
Well it has been my position to the haranguing of people like you that sex and gender are connected.
 
So how are parents choosing gender when they are choosing sex?
They are choosing gender in how they raise them, present them. Sex is only being chosen via they physically change the child.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
 
That's something almost all people deal with. Unless you think boys aren't raised as boys.

Well it has been my position to the haranguing of people like you that sex and gender are connected.
No. You have taken the position on multiple occasions that they are the same thing, not simply connected. They are not the same thing. And while they match in most people, that is not the case in all.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
 
The small minority who aren’t can elect to change it in adulthood. I don’t believe that the exception should be the rule. There’s really no reason such a rare phenomenon should be given this much attention in the first place.

And yet the right kept giving it attention.
 
No it doesn't. It's somewhere between the sexes. Hermaphrodite means two sexes and such a human is mythical.
Not true. The video presents a case where the person was born with both male and female genitalia. They don't have to be working to be hermaphroditic.

Now, not all intersexed people are hermaphroditic. Some have DNA that does not match their physical parts.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
 
That's something almost all people deal with. Unless you think boys aren't raised as boys.

Well it has been my position to the haranguing of people like you that sex and gender are connected.
You don't have to raise a child to be either boy or girl. That is the point. A child could just be raised as a child.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
 
Are you a sworn member of the bathroom police? They use what bathroom they want to.

If there are "bathroom police," they came about because some female citizens are not okay with having dominantly male-looking transgenders sharing the rooms with them. That's not as clear-cut a case of pure prejudice as many like to think.
 
They are choosing gender in how they raise them, present them.
isn't that true with everyone? Boys are raised to be men and girls are raised to be women. Depriving them of that might be socially crippling.

Sex is only being chosen via they physically change the child.
that goes against common language sex is assigned at birth. So it's something that is chosen for everyone.
 
Why should they not choose their own bathroom? Who has any right to police them?

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

Every country makes such laws as a matter of course, and in this country, the law has the right to police people through "the consent of the governed"-- or at least a majority thereof.
 
If there are "bathroom police," they came about because some female citizens are not okay with having dominantly male-looking transgenders sharing the rooms with them. That's not as clear-cut a case of pure prejudice as many like to think.

This is the real woman who identifies as a woman. Does she have to use men's bathroom?
rose-5-850x856.jpg
 
Not true. The video presents a case where the person was born with both male and female genitalia. They don't have to be working to be hermaphroditic.
What you are describing sounds more like androgyny.

Hermaphrodites are like snails.

Now, not all intersexed people are hermaphroditic. Some have DNA that does not match their physical parts.
seeing as humans that are hermaphrodites are mythical no ****.
 
Every country makes such laws as a matter of course, and in this country, the law has the right to police people through "the consent of the governed"-- or at least a majority thereof.
Not really. Our country actually has very few laws encoded that require use of certain restrooms.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
 
You don't have to raise a child to be either boy or girl. That is the point.
such a thing would be socially crippling so I would consider that abuse seeing as that it causes harm and has no purpose.

A child could just be raised as a child.
That seems to fly in the face of all science. Humans are sexual by which I mean they come in sexes, male and female. There is nothing else outside birth defects. Human males and human females are fundamentally different from one another. Every bit of study done on this subject suggest that to be the case.

Experimenting on children in the form of raising them as not human, (genderless sexless beings) is extremely unethical.
 
What you are describing sounds more like androgyny.

Hermaphrodites are like snails.

seeing as humans that are hermaphrodites are mythical no ****.
What definition of hermaphrodite are you using? That isnt what the dictionary says about hermaphrodism.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
 
such a thing would be socially crippling so I would consider that abuse seeing as that it causes harm and has no purpose.

That seems to fly in the face of all science. Humans are sexual by which I mean they come in sexes, male and female. There is nothing else outside birth defects. Human males and human females are fundamentally different from one another. Every bit of study done on this subject suggest that to be the case.

Experimenting on children in the form of raising them as not human, (genderless sexless beings) is extremely unethical.
Not at all. It would simply require changing viewpoints. As we did to allow people who were disabled in very obvious or even socially rejected ways to come out in public, interact. Even attend schools and get jobs.

We would be raising them as they were born, as intersexed. That is how they were naturally born.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
 
What definition of hermaphrodite are you using?
unless I say otherwise State the definition of the word I'm using it's always the common definition.

That isnt what the dictionary says about hermaphrodism.
I didn't use the word " hermaphrodism."
 
unless I say otherwise State the definition of the word I'm using it's always the common definition.

I didn't use the word " hermaphrodism."
There are multiple definitions of hermaphrodite that include humans. While they are generally considered outdated, given the rise of the term intersexed. To call hermaphroditic humans mythical would also be wrong.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
 
Not at all. It would simply require changing viewpoints. As we did to allow people who were disabled in very obvious or even socially rejected ways to come out in public, interact. Even attend schools and get jobs.
disabling people cockamamie nonsense parenting practices is still unethical.

Raising a child to fit into some imaginary society where there is no gender or sex is socially crippling. Because imaginary societies do not exist.

We would be raising them as they were born, as intersexed. That is how they were naturally born.
What does that mean?
 
If there are "bathroom police," they came about because some female citizens are not okay with having dominantly male-looking transgenders sharing the rooms with them. That's not as clear-cut a case of pure prejudice as many like to think.

And there are men who were raised as girls, have a vagina (even if surgically implanted). Did you even watch the video? What bathroom should Judy have used, since Judy had no clue that she was born intersexed? But she definitely looked like a guy. I bet she got harassed often about it. And later she found out she was born as both and changed at birth.
 
There are multiple definitions of hermaphrodite that include humans.
I am using the term specifically. You didn't define the term as I'm using it. I did. You can argue that it means other things. I don't care I'm not using it that way.

When I'm talking about intersex I will refer to that is intersex not hermaphrodite.

If you can't understand how I'm using the language then you can't discuss this with me because you're bogged down and meaningless drivel about semantics.

I've explained how I use the term and it is a common usage. You can accept that or you can reject it. And if you reject that the conversation is over because you want to be Petty.

That's all I'm saying about it this discussion is finished.
 
disabling people cockamamie nonsense parenting practices is still unethical.

Raising a child to fit into some imaginary society where there is no gender or sex is socially crippling. Because imaginary societies do not exist.

What does that mean?

No one has said that we would raise them a society with no gender or sex. It would be including a sex/gender, both or none or intersexed, in with male and female. There is no real evidence that they would be crippled, particularly in this day and age of inclusiveness in schools around the country.

What part of intersexed people are naturally born that way did you not understand? It is doctors and parents who have to perform surgeries or give hormones to the children to raise them differently.
 
I am using the term specifically. You didn't define the term as I'm using it. I did. You can argue that it means other things. I don't care I'm not using it that way.

When I'm talking about intersex I will refer to that is intersex not hermaphrodite.

If you can't understand how I'm using the language then you can't discuss this with me because you're bogged down and meaningless drivel about semantics.

I've explained how I use the term and it is a common usage. You can accept that or you can reject it. And if you reject that the conversation is over because you want to be Petty.

That's all I'm saying about it this discussion is finished.

Not all intersexed people are hermaphrodites, but some can be that way, even if the term is outdated. It doesn't make them mythical.
 
What definition of hermaphrodite are you using? That isnt what the dictionary says about hermaphrodism.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
Hi get the dictionary police and have them Levy the improper usage of terms fine on me then.

I don't ****ing care about your semantic drivel.

If you can't move past this know it all crap, you aren't mature enough to have a discussion.
 
Back
Top Bottom