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1 in 16 U.S. women say first sexual experience was rape in their teen years

eman623 said:
From the article: "Any sexual encounter (with penetration) that occurs against somebody's will is rape. If somebody is verbally pressured into having sex, it's just as much rape,"
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And by definition, minors cannot consent (it's against their will).
 
eman623 said:
Any sex between an adult and minor is statutory rape. But the article defines rape as "Any sexual encounter (with penetration) that occurs against somebody's will is rape. If somebody is verbally pressured into having sex, it's just as much rape,"
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You think that being threatened into compliance is not "against the victims will"?
 
eman623 said:
1 in 16 U.S. women say first sexual experience was rape in their teen years

I don't know why some researchers try to inflate rape statistics like this. Rape is bad enough and I think rapists should be locked up for life. But this study defines rape as follows: "Any sexual encounter (with penetration) that occurs against somebody's will is rape. If somebody is verbally pressured into having sex, it's just as much rape."

WTF? Verbally pressuring someone into having sex is "rape"? No. It's. Not. If that's the definition of rape, then about half of my sexual encounters were rapes.

Why does Dr. Laura Hawks, an internist and Harvard Medical School researcher think otherwise? Does she think she's helping women or men by inflating the number of rapes? Is she not worried that including stuff that is not rape won't dilute the word and make it lose its power?

How many young men and women are being taught this in schools as if it was reality? Boys are told that they are potential rapists and girls are told that every sexual encounter that they don't initiate is a rape. Yeah, that'll make for a healthy society.

It's worth noting that the study, "relied on a national survey that didn't use the word in asking women about forced sex." So the women who were questioned didn't say they were raped. That's just Dr. Laura Hawks, an internist and Harvard Medical School researcher, calling it that. Make sure you remember that name.
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Somebody coercing someone into having sexual intercourse, can certainly constitute as rape, provided that there's threats involved, and/or there's a person in a high position of power that's abusing their authority.

But I don't think 1/16 women in the U.S have had that experience. I think that's a bit of a ridiculously high number.
 
TheGoverness said:
Somebody coercing someone into having sexual intercourse, can certainly constitute as rape, provided that there's threats involved, and/or there's a person in a high position of power that's abusing their authority.

But I don't think 1/16 women in the U.S have had that experience. I think that's a bit of a ridiculously high number.
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I would tend to agree. I also think it depends on what the woman in question defines as coercion. For some that may mean she wants a date for the prom. For others the standard may be far higher.
 
Lursa said:
So then such acts are considered rape and included in the study.
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Yes, they are included. But the article is worded in a way that implies a higher rate of statutory rapes than the data support.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Yes, they are included. But the article is worded in a way that implies a higher rate of statutory rapes than the data support.
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How so?
 
It used to be called seduction and and art.
Thanks to radical feminism, our current views of sex are deranged.
 
eman623 said:
1 in 16 U.S. women say first sexual experience was rape in their teen years

I don't know why some researchers try to inflate rape statistics like this. Rape is bad enough and I think rapists should be locked up for life. But this study defines rape as follows: "Any sexual encounter (with penetration) that occurs against somebody's will is rape. If somebody is verbally pressured into having sex, it's just as much rape."

WTF? Verbally pressuring someone into having sex is "rape"? No. It's. Not. If that's the definition of rape, then about half of my sexual encounters were rapes.

Why does Dr. Laura Hawks, an internist and Harvard Medical School researcher think otherwise? Does she think she's helping women or men by inflating the number of rapes? Is she not worried that including stuff that is not rape won't dilute the word and make it lose its power?

How many young men and women are being taught this in schools as if it was reality? Boys are told that they are potential rapists and girls are told that every sexual encounter that they don't initiate is a rape. Yeah, that'll make for a healthy society.

It's worth noting that the study, "relied on a national survey that didn't use the word in asking women about forced sex." So the women who were questioned didn't say they were raped. That's just Dr. Laura Hawks, an internist and Harvard Medical School researcher, calling it that. Make sure you remember that name.
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i guess this is more of the left trying to beaf up stats to support their stance that every woman should be believed.
 
Lursa said:
How so?
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From an earlier post:

Consider your example -- the average age for the girls was 15, the average age of the men was "older." That sentence is manipulative as f%$#. That statistic is nearly meaningless without more data, but it's very convenient for blurring the lines between actual statutory rape and consensual encounters among teenagers. I think it's safe to assume that, if the statistics actually showed that a large percentage of these encounters were, in fact, statutory rapes, then the article would be more specific with its numbers, because they would be far effective in making the case.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
From an earlier post:

Consider your example -- the average age for the girls was 15, the average age of the men was "older." That sentence is manipulative as f%$#. That statistic is nearly meaningless without more data, but it's very convenient for blurring the lines between actual statutory rape and consensual encounters among teenagers. I think it's safe to assume that, if the statistics actually showed that a large percentage of these encounters were, in fact, statutory rapes, then the article would be more specific with its numbers, because they would be far effective in making the case.
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Are you saying there's a significant skewing of the analysis because of a possible 3 yr difference in ages?
 
eman623 said:
1 in 16 U.S. women say first sexual experience was rape in their teen years

I don't know why some researchers try to inflate rape statistics like this. Rape is bad enough and I think rapists should be locked up for life. But this study defines rape as follows: "Any sexual encounter (with penetration) that occurs against somebody's will is rape. If somebody is verbally pressured into having sex, it's just as much rape."

WTF? Verbally pressuring someone into having sex is "rape"? No. It's. Not. If that's the definition of rape, then about half of my sexual encounters were rapes.

Why does Dr. Laura Hawks, an internist and Harvard Medical School researcher think otherwise? Does she think she's helping women or men by inflating the number of rapes? Is she not worried that including stuff that is not rape won't dilute the word and make it lose its power?

How many young men and women are being taught this in schools as if it was reality? Boys are told that they are potential rapists and girls are told that every sexual encounter that they don't initiate is a rape. Yeah, that'll make for a healthy society.

It's worth noting that the study, "relied on a national survey that didn't use the word in asking women about forced sex." So the women who were questioned didn't say they were raped. That's just Dr. Laura Hawks, an internist and Harvard Medical School researcher, calling it that. Make sure you remember that name.
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The pressured into consent thing relies on the idea that women are just poor little damsels. Which I thought was what we were trying to move away from
 
jimbo said:
1. No.
2. No
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How is 2 not rape? Threatening to spread a nasty rumor if someone doesn't have sex with you is rape if the person pretends to consent in order to avoid having a nasty rumor spread about him. It is sex through coercion, and there is in fact no actual consent. A victim doesn't have to resist to be raped.
 
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eman623 said:
An adult having consensual sex with an eager 15-year old is also rape, but that's not what the study is talking about. They are talking about rape and blurring the line between "applying pressure" and out-and-out physical force.
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I get that. It is not a particularly informative article, and some people (though not the majority of liberals, I would argue) do indeed minimize rape by applying it too generally.
 
Manc Skipper said:
You think that being threatened into compliance is not "against the victims will"?
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Who said "threatened"? The study just says "verbally pressured". Not the same thing.
 
CLAX1911 said:
The pressured into consent thing relies on the idea that women are just poor little damsels. Which I thought was what we were trying to move away from
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Too true. Feminism has been flipped on its head. Instead of empowering women to take responsibility for their own sexuality, it has told them to "be very afraid" because every man they meet is a potential rapist who might bend the poor damsel to his will with sinister "verbal pressure".
 
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"Mrs. Robinson, you're trying to seduce me! Aren't you?"​
 
eman623 said:
Too true. Feminism has been flipped on its head. Instead of empowering women to take responsibility for their own sexuality, it has told them to "be very afraid" because every man they meet is a potential rapist who might bend the poor damsel to his will with sinister "verbal pressure".
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Yeah it's getting crazier by the day
 
eman623 said:
1 in 16 U.S. women say first sexual experience was rape in their teen years

I don't know why some researchers try to inflate rape statistics like this. Rape is bad enough and I think rapists should be locked up for life. But this study defines rape as follows: "Any sexual encounter (with penetration) that occurs against somebody's will is rape. If somebody is verbally pressured into having sex, it's just as much rape."

WTF? Verbally pressuring someone into having sex is "rape"? No. It's. Not. If that's the definition of rape, then about half of my sexual encounters were rapes.

Why does Dr. Laura Hawks, an internist and Harvard Medical School researcher think otherwise? Does she think she's helping women or men by inflating the number of rapes? Is she not worried that including stuff that is not rape won't dilute the word and make it lose its power?

How many young men and women are being taught this in schools as if it was reality? Boys are told that they are potential rapists and girls are told that every sexual encounter that they don't initiate is a rape. Yeah, that'll make for a healthy society.

It's worth noting that the study, "relied on a national survey that didn't use the word in asking women about forced sex." So the women who were questioned didn't say they were raped. That's just Dr. Laura Hawks, an internist and Harvard Medical School researcher, calling it that. Make sure you remember that name.
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This is the age in which some women will say that being cat called is equivalent to sexual assault. The Metoo movement has turned into a fetid joke at this point.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
From an earlier post:

Consider your example -- the average age for the girls was 15, the average age of the men was "older." That sentence is manipulative as f%$#. That statistic is nearly meaningless without more data, but it's very convenient for blurring the lines between actual statutory rape and consensual encounters among teenagers. I think it's safe to assume that, if the statistics actually showed that a large percentage of these encounters were, in fact, statutory rapes, then the article would be more specific with its numbers, because they would be far effective in making the case.
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I dont really see it that way. I really dont see that difference as significant; I dont know, but I also see no reason to assume so.

Lursa said:
Are you saying there's a significant skewing of the analysis because of a possible 3 yr difference in ages?
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