Self Identification Demands Placed On Others

code1211 · Oct 8, 2019

Moot said:
You'd make the perfect candidate for the Queer Eye. lol

(I "Googled", using Yahoo, Queer Eye. It could be that whatever meaning you implied is not what my "Google" Search allows me to infer.)

Not sure that a make over is needed in this case.

My exterior appearance really has nothing to do in most ways with my own self impression. My desired self impression is what I need to have recognized by those around me.

The recognition by others of what is going on in my head is what is desired. Different in no way from the recognition demanded by others to recognize what is going on their heads.

code1211 · Oct 8, 2019

Rich2018 said:
YouTube

But we were happy.

Poor and minorities hardest hit.

The older we get, the tougher we got.

Rich2018 · Oct 8, 2019

code1211 said:
Poor and minorities hardest hit.

The older we get, the tougher we got.

Trump should tax white sticks and dark glasses - a tax target that can't hit back.

code1211 · Oct 9, 2019

Rich2018 said:
Trump should tax white sticks and dark glasses - a tax target that can't hit back.

RU Kidding?

The folks that need the white canes and the dark glasses have the M-16's.

Also, we got nothing else to do so we vote. We vote on everything, in every election and do so fanatically and religiously.

Don't mess with a guy who's got the vote, an ax to grind and nothing else to do.

Rich2018 · Oct 9, 2019

code1211 said:
RU Kidding?

The folks that need the white canes and the dark glasses have the M-16's.

Also, we got nothing else to do so we vote. We vote on everything, in every election and do so fanatically and religiously.

Don't mess with a guy who's got the vote, an ax to grind and nothing else to do.

That was sarcasm, Trump loves to win so loves easy targets that can't hit back.

code1211 · Oct 10, 2019

Rich2018 said:
That was sarcasm, Trump loves to win so loves easy targets that can't hit back.

Me, too.

Rich2018 · Oct 10, 2019

code1211 said:
Me, too.

I prefer to not have personal targets.

Compromise was the principal that modern politics was built on. Not for Trump...it's all about him.

code1211 · Oct 11, 2019

Rich2018 said:
I prefer to not have personal targets.

Compromise was the principal that modern politics was built on. Not for Trump...it's all about him.

That last thought is an interesting one.

Trump has been active in government for a little over two years. This, of course, ignores the various bribes he paid to get the jobs approved by the thieves involved in government licensing offices.

Pelosi and Schumer and various others have been wielding power in national office actually making promises and enacting legislation for more than 30 years.

Why is EVERYTHING Trump's fault and nothing is the fault of the career criminals like Pelosi and Schumer who have lived in Washington for decades accepting the bribes and stealing our money?

None of the "Blame Trump" routine makes any sense whatever.

Rich2018 · Oct 11, 2019

code1211 said:
...why is EVERYTHING Trump's fault and nothing is the fault of the career criminals like Pelosi and Schumer who have lived in Washington for decades accepting the bribes and stealing our money?

I just answered a similar question on the Constitution board.

It is true that previous executives have broken, bent or blurred a rule/law or two but Trump have plowed a bulldozer through the Constitution by comparison.

He has now even called the Constitutional impeachment process "unconstitutional" and "a coup".

Oh and what "crimes" have Pelosi and Schumer committed? Not just things you don't like but what statutes and/or Constitutional clauses, and when ?
I don't expect you to be able to answer, I expect you to reply with yet more Republican, unsupported, vitriol.

code1211 · Oct 14, 2019

Rich2018 said:
I just answered a similar question on the Constitution board.

It is true that previous executives have broken, bent or blurred a rule/law or two but Trump have plowed a bulldozer through the Constitution by comparison.

He has now even called the Constitutional impeachment process "unconstitutional" and "a coup".

Oh and what "crimes" have Pelosi and Schumer committed? Not just things you don't like but what statutes and/or Constitutional clauses, and when ?
I don't expect you to be able to answer, I expect you to reply with yet more Republican, unsupported, vitriol.

Don''t you just hate it when a poster edits your words for no other reason than to change their meaning and then presents them as if they are complete?

Taking the last point first, Pelosi and Schumer have both in power for decades.

Since the day Clinton left office, the median income, and therefore personal outlays of USA citizens has risen by about 10%. Over that same period, Federal Government Outlays have more than doubled. Up by about 120%.

Households have generally stayed about the same in terms of quality of life. The Federal Government has generally stayed the same in terms of services rendered.

If the lying thieves aren't stealing from us, then the money is just being burned. Either way, those in power, like Schumer and Pelosi, are not doing a job that benefits the People.

If they're stealing, they're crooks. If they are not stealing, they're morons. Which is it? Trump had a whole big pile-o-money when he was elected. It's shrinking.

The only job, THE ONLY JOB, our elected officials are charged with is to wisely allocate the limited funds they are given to accomplish the needed services required to defend the borders and maintain domestic tranquillity.

On to the first point: What is it that you think Trump has done to attack the Constitution?

The current thing being done by the House Intelligence Committee is not an impeachment investigation. What makes you think that it is? It is a tax payer financed political attack on political opponents of the party doing the attack.

Why is the reincarnated Witch Hunt again being conducted in darkness behind closed doors, in secret by henchmen demanding that witnesses be denied legal representation?

You seem to have a funny idea of what Constitutional processes require. If you are listening to Adam Schiff, that's understandable. The guy only lies if he's breathing.

Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary | Tax Policy Center

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/04/adam-schiffs-unforced-errors-impeachment-inquiry/

Rich2018 · Oct 14, 2019

code1211 said:
Don''t you just hate it when a poster edits your words...

Not really, it's usually to cut down the size of the post.

...since the day Clinton left office, the median income, and therefore personal outlays of USA citizens has risen by about 10%. Over that same period, Federal Government Outlays have more than doubled. Up by about 120%...

So the US Federal budget should be cut ?

...if the lying thieves aren't stealing from us, then the money is just being burned...

Who is lying and stealing, when and with what statement/action ?

...if they're stealing, they're crooks. If they are not stealing, they're morons. Which is it?

I'd say if they're not stealing, they're honest
Why would equate honesty to being a moron ? Is it because you would steal in their place ?

...Trump had a whole big pile-o-money when he was elected. It's shrinking....

Click to expand...

Are you talking campaign contributions, personal wealth or the Federal Budget ?

...the only job our elected officials are charged with is to wisely allocate the limited funds they are given to accomplish the needed services required to defend the borders and maintain domestic tranquillity....

Click to expand...

Define "wisely" in the context of federal projects like the wall or the F-35 airplane

Would you end government waste ? Good luck.

...what is it that you think Trump has done to attack the Constitution?

Click to expand...

Stonewall the impeachment inquiry
Spend money to build his wall even though Congress expressly forbid it

Here's more, it took a VERY brief internet search:

Trump vs. the Constitution: A Guide - POLITICO Magazine

....the current thing being done by the House Intelligence Committee is not an impeachment investigation....

Click to expand...

Says who ?

Do you know what is being investigated ?

...why is the reincarnated Witch Hunt again being conducted in darkness behind closed doors...

Click to expand...

In the interests of national security
Do you want the "whistle blowers" name made public ?

Can you not conceive that some information exposed in these investigation is best kept confidential

Where did you get the term "witch hunt" from - it would be from a certain president who is unconstitutionally refusing to comply with the investigation would it ?
Have you just exposed which side you're on ?

...you seem to have a funny idea of what Constitutional processes require...

Click to expand...

Many of those who support Trump believe that is true for anyone associated with conducting the investigations.

What does the internet say about Congressional authority in this matter ?

If you bothered to check, you'd find it uncomfortable reading.

Nalu · Oct 15, 2019

code1211 said:
With the recent insanity regarding individuals demanding that the rest of us accept their insanity of self identification counter to reality, a thought struck me.

I happen to be an old guy about 10 or 20 pounds heavier than I would like to be. I have numerous skin areas that have veins displayed resembling maps of river deltas.

My face has wrinkles and my posture is less straight than I would prefer. My movements are far from silky smooth and my attitudes are sometimes a tad uncaring and abrasive to those around me.

I'm pretty sure that if the great majority of women witnessed my naked body, locally or internationally, they would ask me to please put some clothes on ASAP.

All of that said, I would like to self identify immediately as a very handsome, intelligent and graceful young man, physically beautiful and unblemished, with an engaging manner that is the fantasy dream of women.

When I make known my new self identification, is everyone now obligated to treat me in the way that my new self identification demands?

Just wondering... At what point will the stupid insanity of the insane Left be called out for what it is?

This is nothing other than an old person's absolute incomprehension of transgenderism.

code1211 · Oct 15, 2019

[/QUOTE]=Rich2018;1070744987]Not really, it's usually to cut down the size of the post.

So the US Federal budget should be cut ?

Who is lying and stealing, when and with what statement/action ?

...if they're stealing, they're crooks. If they are not stealing, they're morons. Which is it?

I'd say if they're not stealing, they're honest
Why would equate honesty to being a moron ? Is it because you would steal in their place ?

Are you talking campaign contributions, personal wealth or the Federal Budget ?

Define "wisely" in the context of federal projects like the wall or the F-35 airplane

Would you end government waste ? Good luck.

Stonewall the impeachment inquiry
Spend money to build his wall even though Congress expressly forbid it

Here's more, it took a VERY brief internet search:

Trump vs. the Constitution: A Guide - POLITICO Magazine

Says who ?

Do you know what is being investigated ?

In the interests of national security
Do you want the "whistle blowers" name made public ?

Can you not conceive that some information exposed in these investigation is best kept confidential

Where did you get the term "witch hunt" from - it would be from a certain president who is unconstitutionally refusing to comply with the investigation would it ?
Have you just exposed which side you're on ?

Many of those who support Trump believe that is true for anyone associated with conducting the investigations.

What does the internet say about Congressional authority in this matter ?

If you bothered to check, you'd find it uncomfortable reading.

Federal Spending is a can of worms. I have done a little thinking Social Security as I am recently retired. Social Security payments make up about 25% of the Federal Budget. Social Security is designed as a Ponzi Scheme.

If Social Security was set up on a 401k model with the funds turning over to an annuity upon retirement after a minimum age, the cost would be virtually non-existent except for a small administrative fee. Benefits paid would great tax revenue.

In my personal case, if the 14% of my income from the first year I was employed out of college was placed in a 401K, that single year of money would have grown to about $130,000 by the time I retired. I earned about $17,000 that year.

I have worked for many, many years with increasing income. Shorter investment terms on the higher annual incomes, but the outcome would be that I would have had $1 or $2 million in the 401K upon retirement. That's $50 to $100 thousand retirement income annually from only SS.

Also, if I died the day before I retired, my heirs would get that money and it would be a windfall to them and also deliver tax revenue to the tax men. That is a great way to negate the cost of Social Security.

In passing, this would have saved the USA about a Trillion Dollars in 2018 and would have created a budget surplus of about 200 billion dollars in 2018.

Every Federal Dollar spent probably has a similar alternative methodology available if a guy with any wisdom looked at it.

Regarding the crooks. Whether they steal the money outright by theft or waste the money through stupidity, the money is gone and it did us no good. Incompetence or corruption makes little difference to the outcome.

The impeachment inquiry is a tax payer financed political attack on the opponent of the party in power in the house of Representatives. Are you really this unaware?

Whistle Blower? The transcript of the call is released and EVERYTHING that the Whistle Blower said is now shown to be a lie. What's wrong with you guys?

If there is an impeachment to be done, then they need to vote on it. Shouldn't be hard. Of course, there needs to actually be a crime. There isn't. Case closed.

code1211 · Oct 15, 2019

Nalu said:
This is nothing other than an old person's absolute incomprehension of transgenderism.

You missed the point of my post entirely.

I really don't care at all if a man wants to be a woman or if a woman wants to be a man. Any other combination is also acceptable.

What I don't care for is the demand that I am able to read their minds and address them as whatever they imagine themselves to be.

In my mind, they are perfectly free to act as they wish. I only asked the same consideration be accorded to me.

Like it or not, we live in a society. I was taught in grade school that your freedom to swing your arm ended where my nose began. I don't care if there are people who like to play make believe.

I just object to being required to play along unless I choose to play along.

That said, common courtesy and equal rights need to be accorded to all in our society simply because they exist within our society.

Nalu · Oct 15, 2019

code1211 said:
You missed the point of my post entirely.

I really don't care at all if a man wants to be a woman or if a woman wants to be a man. Any other combination is also acceptable.

What I don't care for is the demand that I am able to read their minds and address them as whatever they imagine themselves to be.

In my mind, they are perfectly free to act as they wish. I only asked the same consideration be accorded to me.

Like it or not, we live in a society. I was taught in grade school that your freedom to swing your arm ended where my nose began. I don't care if there are people who like to play make believe.

I just object to being required to play along unless I choose to play along.

That said, common courtesy and equal rights need to be accorded to all in our society simply because they exist within our society.

No, I didn't miss your point. I dismissed it because your comparison between transgender identity and wanting to be a young and handsome man is absurd. You readily admitted that you know you are not what you want to be called. You're basically making an insensitive and ignorant joke. Transgender people aren't pretending to be something they are not, which is what you are suggesting. They are, internally scientifically and medically, a gender that does not match their external bodies. That's why you should have the good sense and common decency to address them as they instruct you to address them. Likewise, if someone tells you to call him John and not Johnathan, you should do it no matter what his birth certificate says.

Rich2018 · Oct 15, 2019

code1211 said:
quotes...

...dude you really do need to figure out the posting functions - especially the quote and edit features

...Social Security payments make up about 25% of the Federal Budget. Social Security is designed as a Ponzi Scheme.

If Social Security was set up on a 401k model with the funds turning over to an annuity upon retirement after a minimum age, the cost would be virtually non-existent except for a small administrative fee. Benefits paid would great tax revenue.

In my personal case, if the 14% of my income from the first year I was employed out of college was placed in a 401K, that single year of money would have grown to about $130,000 by the time I retired. I earned about $17,000 that year....

I'm not a financial expert so I can't comment.

There are a lot of employees, however, that don't have access to a 401k

I'm in favor of a state funded pension and healthcare system, having had experience of both

I'm against US tax law that makes people file taxes every year - what if taxes were taken out at source and that the vast majority of people on direct payment of wages would have to file NO tax returns (like in the UK)
Good news for working people but unemployment for countless tax lawyers and accountants.

Why is tax added to the price on the label ? It should not be - it isn't for gasoline. Does any other country in the world do it that way ?

...regarding the crooks. Whether they steal the money outright by theft or waste the money through stupidity, the money is gone and it did us no good. Incompetence or corruption makes little difference to the outcome....

True but they should be held accountable

...the impeachment inquiry is a tax payer financed political attack on the opponent of the party in power in the house of Representatives. Are you really this unaware?

You're thinking of the Clinton impeachment trial which was politically motivated and unfounded

Trump is unfit for the office he holds...he is like a petulant, spoiled brat of a child who's been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

He is corrupt and unsound and must be removed.
The evidence shows it
If he were not the president he'd already be in jail for obstruction of justice...
...as it is he has committed crimes during his presidency and will face a justified impeachment trial. It just remains to be seen how many GOP senators will put their country before their seat.

...Whistle Blower? The transcript of the call is released and EVERYTHING that the Whistle Blower said is now shown to be a lie....

What planet are you on?
Everything that the whistle blower said has been proven to be true.
And we haven't even had the full transcript or the full tape yet (stored on a classified info computer - explain that)

...if there is an impeachment to be done, then they need to vote on it....

"They" being the House will

Watch this; counter 0:33 - 0:50

YouTube

....of course, there needs to actually be a crime. There isn't. Case closed.

Wrong

"If House Democrats press ahead with impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump, their case will rest in large part on the claim that he sought a foreign government’s help, with hundreds of millions of dollars in aid in the balance, to dig up dirt on a political opponent...

...if true, would that be a crime? The answer might not matter. It doesn’t take a criminal act to impeach a president..."

AP Analysis: It doesn'''t take a crime to impeach a president

code1211 · Oct 16, 2019

Nalu said:
No, I didn't miss your point. I dismissed it because your comparison between transgender identity and wanting to be a young and handsome man is absurd. You readily admitted that you know you are not what you want to be called. You're basically making an insensitive and ignorant joke. Transgender people aren't pretending to be something they are not, which is what you are suggesting. They are, internally scientifically and medically, a gender that does not match their external bodies. That's why you should have the good sense and common decency to address them as they instruct you to address them. Likewise, if someone tells you to call him John and not Johnathan, you should do it no matter what his birth certificate says.

So, then, you are saying that I am not the same person that I was when I was 18? Also the same one as when I was 35? As when I was 55? YOU are making a judgement based only on my physical veneer.

Interesting dismissal of reality by you in this.

In my heart and in my mind, I am the same person as I was. When I see me in the mirror or feel me when I stand up, I'm often surprised that I am not youthful.

YOU are dismissing me because you don't understand and are giving my inner, actual, identity no validity. YOU should be ashamed of your bias. YOU should be ashamed of your myopia.

code1211 · Oct 16, 2019

Rich2018 said:
...dude you really do need to figure out the posting functions - especially the quote and edit features

I'm not a financial expert so I can't comment.

There are a lot of employees, however, that don't have access to a 401k

I'm in favor of a state funded pension and healthcare system, having had experience of both

I'm against US tax law that makes people file taxes every year - what if taxes were taken out at source and that the vast majority of people on direct payment of wages would have to file NO tax returns (like in the UK)
Good news for working people but unemployment for countless tax lawyers and accountants.

Why is tax added to the price on the label ? It should not be - it isn't for gasoline. Does any other country in the world do it that way ?

True but they should be held accountable

You're thinking of the Clinton impeachment trial which was politically motivated and unfounded

Trump is unfit for the office he holds...he is like a petulant, spoiled brat of a child who's been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

He is corrupt and unsound and must be removed.
The evidence shows it
If he were not the president he'd already be in jail for obstruction of justice...
...as it is he has committed crimes during his presidency and will face a justified impeachment trial. It just remains to be seen how many GOP senators will put their country before their seat.

What planet are you on?
Everything that the whistle blower said has been proven to be true.
And we haven't even had the full transcript or the full tape yet (stored on a classified info computer - explain that)

"They" being the House will

Watch this; counter 0:33 - 0:50

YouTube

Wrong

"If House Democrats press ahead with impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump, their case will rest in large part on the claim that he sought a foreign government’s help, with hundreds of millions of dollars in aid in the balance, to dig up dirt on a political opponent...

...if true, would that be a crime? The answer might not matter. It doesn’t take a criminal act to impeach a president..."

AP Analysis: It doesn'''t take a crime to impeach a president

Regarding the quote function, it appeared that way when I hit the post button. I tried to help it. Couldn't do it. I assumed it was the result of the way you posted it.

Regarding Social Security, why on Earth would you like to continue the methodology that has grown this liability to 25% of our Federal Outlays?

Why not change it to provide a a larger benefit to the retirees, eliminate the cost to the government AND actually provide a revenue source for the government? THERE'S A BETTER WAY THAT DOES MORE AND COSTS LESS.

My issue with Clinton was that he used a subordinate and her Blue Dress as a semen depository. CEO's all over the country and in Hollywood have been punished for doing this same thing. He broke a well known standard of behavior.

The impeachable offense was that he lied under oath. Should he have been impeached? Obviously, no.

Trump did not do what ever it is that you think justifies whatever it is that you think you have been told by the liars that you listen to. In passing, Biden did do it and bragged that Obama was a part of it. Trump did not.

Does it interest you at all that this kangaroo court is not being conducted in the Judiciary Committee? Why is it essential that this occur behind locked doors hidden from view?

What crime was described in the whistleblower complaint that actually happened? Just wondering. I haven't found anything at all. Why is testimony from the whistleblower now deemed not necessary by the Democrat-Socialists?

Incidentally, when a liar lies and and some other guy calls them out for lying, the liar is still the liar. The other guy is only saying to look at what the liar is doing.

Schiff has lied about Trump and Russian collusion, lied about having evidence that proved it, lied about what was in the "Whistle Blower" complaint, lied when he made up the content of the report to read into the record and is a an ongoing lying machine.

If he's NOT lying, THAT would be news. If the guys speaks, he's lying. He's revered by the Democrat-Socialists. Kinda makes ya wonder why...

Nalu · Oct 16, 2019

code1211 said:
So, then, you are saying that I am not the same person that I was when I was 18? Also the same one as when I was 35? As when I was 55? YOU are making a judgement based only on my physical veneer.

Interesting dismissal of reality by you in this.

In my heart and in my mind, I am the same person as I was. When I see me in the mirror or feel me when I stand up, I'm often surprised that I am not youthful.

YOU are dismissing me because you don't understand and are giving my inner, actual, identity no validity. YOU should be ashamed of your bias. YOU should be ashamed of your myopia.

What are you talking about? You prefaced this thread by acknowledging that you want to be called something you know you are not. Now you've taken a thoroughly idiotic turn into your inner child. You've just reconfirmed the first post I sent to you. You are an old, ignorant, heterosexual, cisgender male who did not even bother to educate yourself about transgender identity and appropriate ways of addressing transgender individuals before you decided to start a conversation about it on the internet. I know that because your analogies are so detached from sense that you may as well say that red is the same as black becaue they're both not blue. I'm not surprised nor am I terribly disappointed. Older generations have historically adapted to changing technology, for example, better than changing social norms.

Maybe this will appeal to your better judgment. You will not be emotionally hurt if someone does not call you a young and handsome man. I am sure of that because you are obviously using this thread to explore an intellectual argument rather than express emotional pain. On the other hand, when you willfully address or refer to a transgender person with other than the gender set she or he asked you to use you are intentionally inflicting emotional pain, maybe even damage, onto another human being. In that sense, this topic isn't a cerebral exploration of biology, human sexuality, psychology, and linguistics. It's about not being a ****ty person by going out of your way to hurt other people's feelings.

Rich2018 · Oct 16, 2019

code1211 said:
Regarding the quote function, it appeared that way when I hit the post button. I tried to help it. Couldn't do it. I assumed it was the result of the way you posted it....

Seems to work for me

..regarding Social Security, why on Earth would you like to continue the methodology that has grown this liability to 25% of our Federal Outlays?

To help people
To make the rich pay to help to poorer

Did you see the Democratic debate on CNN last night? Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren make a fuller case on their respective web pages

...why not change it to provide a a larger benefit to the retirees, eliminate the cost to the government AND actually provide a revenue source for the government?

You mean make companies pay a retirement pension ?

...my issue with Clinton was that he used a subordinate and her Blue Dress as a semen depository. CEO's all over the country and in Hollywood have been punished for doing this same thing. He broke a well known standard of behavior....

My issue is that unlike Clinton, most Hollywood CEOs are accused of acting without consent or at least exploiting/pressurizing the victims. Did Monica claim to be a victim? Clinton is hardly the first married man to have extra marital sex - Unlike JFK, Clinton was caught

...the impeachable offense was that he lied under oath. Should he have been impeached? Obviously, no....

Or asked
Starr had an agenda

...Trump did not do...whatever it is that you think you have been told by the liars that you listen to....

And you know this because you've asked him or watch Fox News ?
The evidence suggests the contrary and it's stacking up...

...does it interest you at all that this kangaroo court is not being conducted in the Judiciary Committee? Why is it essential that this occur behind locked doors hidden from view?

Congress is not exactly a kangaroo court - it is conducting inquiries authorized by the Constitution
One of the committees involved is the Judiciary Committee
Much of what goes on is behind closed doors to protect the identity of people like the whistle blowers who Trump says should be tried for treason (with a little hint of his preferred fate - they used to handle spies a little differently back then - remember that?)

...what crime was described in the whistleblower complaint that actually happened?

Have you really not been keeping up with current events? The use of government pressure to promote an advantage in an individual's election campaign
Oh and obstructing justice

...incidentally, when a liar lies and and some other guy calls them out for lying, the liar is still the liar. The other guy is only saying to look at what the liar is doing....

The point is that the whistle blowers aren't doing any accusing - House Democrats will do that based on reports from the WBs
Yet Trump still wants their names...would you feel safe if you blew the whistle on a Trump wrong doing and Trump was given your name and address ?

...Schiff has lied about Trump and Russian collusion, lied about having evidence that proved it, lied about what was in the "Whistle Blower" complaint, lied when he made up the content of the report to read into the record and is a an ongoing lying machine....

Schiff has told the truth - a concept Trump doesn't understand

There's more truth to be had as layers of the onion are unraveled and witnesses testify DESPITE Trump ordering them not to. Do you think Trump is happy to see Sondland testify tomorrow ?
He is going to despite the fact that he bought his position as ambassador by paying $1 million to Trump

...if he's NOT lying, THAT would be news. If the guys speaks, he's lying. He's revered by the Democrat-Socialists.

Trump is worried despite his insistence that he finds these impeachment inquiries "energizing"

Nalu · Oct 16, 2019

I'm confused why this thread has nothing to do with its subject, so I'll unsubscribe. A shame because the topic is worth discussing.

code1211 · Oct 17, 2019

Nalu said:
What are you talking about? You prefaced this thread by acknowledging that you want to be called something you know you are not. Now you've taken a thoroughly idiotic turn into your inner child. You've just reconfirmed the first post I sent to you. You are an old, ignorant, heterosexual, cisgender male who did not even bother to educate yourself about transgender identity and appropriate ways of addressing transgender individuals before you decided to start a conversation about it on the internet. I know that because your analogies are so detached from sense that you may as well say that red is the same as black becaue they're both not blue. I'm not surprised nor am I terribly disappointed. Older generations have historically adapted to changing technology, for example, better than changing social norms.

Maybe this will appeal to your better judgment. You will not be emotionally hurt if someone does not call you a young and handsome man. I am sure of that because you are obviously using this thread to explore an intellectual argument rather than express emotional pain. On the other hand, when you willfully address or refer to a transgender person with other than the gender set she or he asked you to use you are intentionally inflicting emotional pain, maybe even damage, onto another human being. In that sense, this topic isn't a cerebral exploration of biology, human sexuality, psychology, and linguistics. It's about not being a ****ty person by going out of your way to hurt other people's feelings.

You seem to grasp that an old man is not a young man. You demonstrate your ability to see the world around you as it is. Having been young once, I was dismissive of the aged. Being old now, I see it from others. The world turns.

Now, expand your understanding to understand that a woman is not a man and a man is not a woman.

I don't care in the slightest why people who are one thing think they are something else. If they want to play their little game, that's fine with me.

If they want me to play their little game, though, that's an intrusion into my freedom.

Being courteous and accepting does not include me suspending disbelief nor does it require that I accept a lie as truth. Those things are reserved for theatre or fiction.

Perhaps you can explain to me how my recognition of a fantasy can make that fantasy a reality for others. Conversely, how does my rejection of a truth make it a lie for others?

We can play this game in various areas of living. Is a rapist simply a misunderstood suitor? Will the victim gain solace knowing the new self identification of the rapist? Is a bank robber simply a non-traditional customer?

Regarding colors, I say that red is red, blue is blue and black is black. I make no value judgement regarding the relative intrinsic worth of any according to the others as you seem to do. Why do you do so?

With regard to colors, all gain value in contrast to other colors. Harmony and counter play reveal the value of each. The contrast is often the beauty.

What is it that seems to force you to assign arbitrary value judgements to things that have no intrinsic value differentiation?

Both fantasy and reality are important to the human condition. They are not, however, the same things. Why do you demand that people accept both as identical?

code1211 · Oct 17, 2019

Rich2018 said:
Seems to work for me

To help people
To make the rich pay to help to poorer

Did you see the Democratic debate on CNN last night? Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren make a fuller case on their respective web pages

You mean make companies pay a retirement pension ?

My issue is that unlike Clinton, most Hollywood CEOs are accused of acting without consent or at least exploiting/pressurizing the victims. Did Monica claim to be a victim? Clinton is hardly the first married man to have extra marital sex - Unlike JFK, Clinton was caught

Or asked
Starr had an agenda

And you know this because you've asked him or watch Fox News ?
The evidence suggests the contrary and it's stacking up...

Congress is not exactly a kangaroo court - it is conducting inquiries authorized by the Constitution
One of the committees involved is the Judiciary Committee
Much of what goes on is behind closed doors to protect the identity of people like the whistle blowers who Trump says should be tried for treason (with a little hint of his preferred fate - they used to handle spies a little differently back then - remember that?)

Have you really not been keeping up with current events? The use of government pressure to promote an advantage in an individual's election campaign
Oh and obstructing justice

The point is that the whistle blowers aren't doing any accusing - House Democrats will do that based on reports from the WBs
Yet Trump still wants their names...would you feel safe if you blew the whistle on a Trump wrong doing and Trump was given your name and address ?

Schiff has told the truth - a concept Trump doesn't understand

There's more truth to be had as layers of the onion are unraveled and witnesses testify DESPITE Trump ordering them not to. Do you think Trump is happy to see Sondland testify tomorrow ?
He is going to despite the fact that he bought his position as ambassador by paying $1 million to Trump

Trump is worried despite his insistence that he finds these impeachment inquiries "energizing"

I don't know how old you are. I have just moved into retirement. That is why Social Security's stupidity has been exposed to me. The Social Security system goals are certainly worthy. The system itself is a Ponzi Scheme.

Changing Social Security from a Ponzi Scheme to a 401K model that moves to an annuity disbursement system creates a profit generator for government instead of a cost center.

This is not complicated stuff. It uses the equal amount of money contributed to create a bigger return to all recipients. Lower cost. Bigger return. No mystery.

Converting the Social Security System to a 401K model has no party affiliation. In truth, the investments can be, should be international. It's not Liberal or Conservative. It's just intelligent or stupid.

I highlighted the comment that marks the point where your post moves from ignorance to insanity.

The rest of your post is party-line, BS based fantasy filled with bias and willful blindness.

People like me reading this kind of stuff from people like you are comforted knowing that Trump will carry 50 states, the GOP will regain the House and the Senate majority will increase.

As a side benefit, the Supreme Court will be Constructionist for the next 30 years.

The two best things that ever happened to the GOP are AOC and Adam Schiff. Schiff will likely be recognized in the future as a parallel to Tail Gunner Joe.

The great thing about hate filled ideologues is that they usually reveal their true intentions to thinking folks around them if you just let them keep talking. They have no shame and no perspective.

Rich2018 · Oct 17, 2019

code1211 said:
I don't know how old you are. I have just moved into retirement. That is why Social Security's stupidity has been exposed to me. The Social Security system goals are certainly worthy. The system itself is a Ponzi Scheme.

Changing Social Security from a Ponzi Scheme to a 401K model that moves to an annuity disbursement system creates a profit generator for government instead of a cost center....

I'm not retired but have a couple of decades working experience.

The problem with the 401K is that not every employer has one...and it is impossible the mandate an employer to adopt one. The US economy relies on small businesses - sometimes only employing one or two people like a gas station.
But yes, the current SS administration is wasteful - all large organisations are and none more so than the Department of Defense

...this is not complicated stuff. It uses the equal amount of money contributed to create a bigger return to all recipients. Lower cost. Bigger return. No mystery....

Would you set up a Obama style, federally run, mandatory 401k scheme for all people who don't currently have one ?
What about the medically disabled ?

...I highlighted the comment that marks the point where your post moves from ignorance to insanity.

The rest of your post is party-line, BS based fantasy filled with bias and willful blindness...

Well thank you for your politeness /sarcasm
Did you not notice the question mark in the bit you highlighted red ? Because it seemed that's what you were proposing ?

...people like me reading this kind of stuff from people like you are comforted knowing that Trump will carry 50 states, the GOP will regain the House and the Senate majority will increase....

Yawn

You're another dyed in the wool Republican who thinks Trump is a good president and the federal government should stick to building air craft carriers to fly your flag from or a manned mission to Mars instead of the "insanity" of writing welfare checks
Doubtless you feel this would remove homeless ghettos in places like San Francisco if people were made to work to put a roof over their heads.

...as a side benefit, the Supreme Court will be Constructionist for the next 30 years....

And you can wear your MAGA hat watching greatness return

The left will be crushed and homosexuals will be forced to stop sinning and take a wife...who dare not dream of an abortion is a drug free, church going, USA

...the two best things that ever happened to the GOP are AOC and Adam Schiff. Schiff will likely be recognized in the future as a parallel to Tail Gunner Joe.

The great thing about hate filled ideologues is that they usually reveal their true intentions to thinking folks around them if you just let them keep talking. They have no shame and no perspective.

How your world view would be shaken if Trump went the same way as Nixon.

code1211 · Oct 18, 2019

Rich2018 said:
I'm not retired but have a couple of decades working experience.

The problem with the 401K is that not every employer has one...and it is impossible the mandate an employer to adopt one. The US economy relies on small businesses - sometimes only employing one or two people like a gas station.
But yes, the current SS administration is wasteful - all large organisations are and none more so than the Department of Defense

Would you set up a Obama style, federally run, mandatory 401k scheme for all people who don't currently have one ?
What about the medically disabled ?

Well thank you for your politeness /sarcasm
Did you not notice the question mark in the bit you highlighted red ? Because it seemed that's what you were proposing ?

Yawn

You're another dyed in the wool Republican who thinks Trump is a good president and the federal government should stick to building air craft carriers to fly your flag from or a manned mission to Mars instead of the "insanity" of writing welfare checks
Doubtless you feel this would remove homeless ghettos in places like San Francisco if people were made to work to put a roof over their heads.

And you can wear your MAGA hat watching greatness return

The left will be crushed and homosexuals will be forced to stop sinning and take a wife...who dare not dream of an abortion is a drug free, church going, USA

How your world view would be shaken if Trump went the same way as Nixon.

Nixon had zero charisma. Trump has a truckload. Watch one of his rallies. The way he plays a crowd is amazing. Like him or hate him, he's an entertainer. Excellent timing and a great sense of humor.

Sadly, wearing a MAGA Hat makes the wearer a target of violence. Liberalism in the US can't stand logical discourse. They prefer violent attack and silencing the opposition. That's why ANTIFA Thugs wear masks.

I'm not a died in the wool Republican. I'm a Trump supporter. Republicans are just along for the ride. When Trump is done in 2024, the Republican Party will be less like the Republicans of 1999 and more like the Party of Lincoln.

The mayor of Indianapolis is a Democrat. I voted for him. I'll probably vote for him again.

I'm not suggesting an employer based system of 401K's. Payroll deductions would work exactly as SS does today, but would be allocated to personal accounts rather than the Treasury's General Fund.

The accounts would follow the owners through life and from job to job. If the owner of the account did not specify differently, the accounts would be conservatively linked to stock market averages. Using this strategy, anyone would have made a fortune over a working lifetime.

A side benefit of this is that the lying thieves in Washington would not have access to the funds in personal accounts.

Another HUGE benefit would be that if the individual dies prior to retirement age, what he has saved in his personal account plus the compounded interest would bequeath to his heirs.

By the way, thank you for your understanding reply to my my snarky statement. I apologize for my rudeness.