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Self Identification Demands Placed On Others

Lord Tammerlain said:
Then why were they kicked out?
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Likely for violating the rules.


Beyond Pool Patrol Paula and ID Adam: America’s long history of racism at pools - Vox




The forgotten history of segregated swimming pools and amusement parks - UB Now: News and views for UB faculty and staff - University at Buffalo


Nope none of those instances were because the people were racist. The blacks or people speaking Spanish were all doing something wrong

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I've worked at community pools it's always part of the roles that you have to show That you have community permission to be there.

Was pool patrol Paula arrested for assaulting a minor or are laws against assault racist too?

Private clubs can be racist
 
code1211 said:
As we drift into a consideration of Existentialism, we wander into areas of self knowledge that have mystified better thinkers than I.

One of the very few basic truths of life I have learned comes from Yogi Berra: "If you don't know where you're going, you're probably not going to get there".

A basic Understanding of the direction you need to take to reach the destination you seek is to know where are right now.

Self deception is the most effective tool to employ to avoid effective progress.

That said, whether you are a man dreaming you're a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming you're a man, you're still dreaming.

Dreams can help you decide which direction to take, but they are not the journey and are not the destination.
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Ah we're getting philosophical now? All of that typing just to say "no".
 
code1211 said:
I read pretty well.

You, apparently, do not.

Again, why do you make an assertion and then link to an article that destroys that assertion?
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Read again. It debunks your claim.

P.S. Make sure to read further than the headline.
 
Visbek said:
:roll:

They have these crazy things now called "stalls," which should prevent anyone from seeing the actual anatomy of another person in a public restroom.

Again, your presentation of such irrational fear-mongering is not a persuasive argument that proves your point, it only illustrates your own refusal to understand, desire to fear-monger, and your discriminatory intent towards others.
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It should, to any thinking person, indicate that a man who thinks he is a woman is a man who thinks he is a woman.
 
CLAX1911 said:
If you're white you don't get an impression status unless you're trans which is why I think transgenderism is so in right now. And then you have no binary which is just words you say that grant you oppression status.
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What does "impression status" mean?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
No, it's not.
You're reducing everybody to the level of a troll.
That means that you are convinced that there is actually no such thing as gender dysphoria.

Okay...alright...that's your opinion, and you have every right to your opinion.
Of course, the Church of Scientology has every right to their opinion, too...which happens to be that ALL forms of psychiatry are evil and barbaric, and that psychiatrists should be thrown in prison.
Several well known churches believe that interracial marriage and interreligious marriages are an affront to God.
Several well known politicians are of the opinion that Earth is only six thousand years old.

I see no point in debating this issue with a person who cannot comprehend real issues that have existed since the dawn of the human race, just because they do not understand how mental health professionals arrived at a medical conclusion about the issue which conflicts with that person's ingrained instinctive bigoted reflexes.

The law, however, has arrived at the conclusion that mental health professionals know more than you do.
Yes, there are trolls who attempt to game the system.
Guess what? There are also "patent trolls" who do a similar thing in the business world, and those people do it for a profit.
Does that mean that everyone who files or litigates a patent is a patent troll?

Enjoy your outlook on the world. There is no payoff for me to try to change your thinking.
After all, I am not the boss who has to fire you for harassing another worker just because their sexual ID status makes you uncomfortable and I am also not the least bit interested in figuring out if it's because you might have your own closeted self-loathing latent tendencies.
If you do, get help.
If you don't, it just means you enjoy being a massive jerk.
Either way, they're both above my pay grade here at DP.
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Being very unhappy about anything does not change the actuality of the real world.

I can be very unhappy that the Vikings lost all four Super Bowls in which they played. Does that mean they actually WON any of them?

The basic, fundamental problem with most of Politically Leftist Thinking is that it rejects reality for fantasy.

This is simply one more example.

I don't hate nor would I try to hurt anyone suffering from Leftist Stupidity. They're suffering enough already.

My only complaint is that they are now demanding that I become an active participant in their suffering.

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AProudLefty said:
Read again. It debunks your claim.

P.S. Make sure to read further than the headline.
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The part that completely destroys your assertion comes near the end.
 
eman623 said:
When a baby is born they don't do a DNA test. The doctor just declares "boy" or "girl" and guess what? He's RIGHT about 99.9% of the time.

You need to go down to the nearest hospital and barge into a delivery room and demand the doctor just say, "it's maybe a boy or girl but I really can't say so I'll just call it an 'it'." :lamo

gender is not sex. You can self-declare your gender. Not your sex.
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Actually he's right about 98-99% of the time.

And sex does not equal gender. Synonyms do not have to mean the same thing. They can mean the same thing, within context. A great example is when Joey (on Friends) writes the letter of recommendation for Monica and Chandler, and tried to sound smarter by using a thesaurus. He ended up signing his name "Baby Kangaroo", and that wasn't the only part that made the letter make no sense.

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code1211 said:
The basic, fundamental problem with most of Politically Leftist Thinking is that it rejects reality for fantasy.

This is simply one more example.
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:roll:

Sex and gender are not simple and binary in every single instance -- not matter how much your political preferences make you want to ignore that reality. Your position is as outdated as the people who used to insist that "homosexuality is not natural" or "blacks and whites should not intermarry."


Definition of dysphoria
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Oh, so a dictionary is definitive? OK then.

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CLAX1911 said:
If you are white and male you don't get to have an oppression status
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Because white males were never oppressed


The Irish would disagree with that with regard to British rule.




Edit: Wasn't the US Revolutionary War fought to shed the yoke of oppression levied by King George III's tyrannical government ?
 
code1211 said:
The part that completely destroys your assertion comes near the end.
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You mean this?

"Discrimination against a transgender individual could result in fines of up to $250,000, but these fines won’t be handed out for accidentally misusing pronouns. According to the new guidelines, the commission can impose civil penalties of up to $125,000 for violations of the law and (in extreme circumstances) of up to $250,000 for violations that are the result of “willful, wanton, or malicious” conduct."
 
Rich2018 said:
Because white males were never oppressed


The Irish would disagree with that with regard to British rule.




Edit: Wasn't the US Revolutionary War fought to shed the yoke of oppression levied by King George III's tyrannical government ?
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Disagree with something I never said?
 
Or, you could not worry about this and worry about the roller coaster we call the economy, how farmers are getting it in the neck, the Saudis getting attacked, school shootings and such...
 
Visbek said:
:roll:

Sex and gender are not simple and binary in every single instance -- not matter how much your political preferences make you want to ignore that reality. Your position is as outdated as the people who used to insist that "homosexuality is not natural" or "blacks and whites should not intermarry."



Oh, so a dictionary is definitive? OK then.

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Your definition is pretty much the same as mine. The psychological neurosis of the afflicted allows them to understand that they are something they don't like.

That is EXACTLY what a neurosis is.

To help: The psychotic thinks that 2+2 does not = 4. The neurotic knows that 2 + 2 = 4, but he really doesn't like it. Ergo, the "distressed state".

I don't care if a person of any reality thinks they are something else. It makes no difference to me. It has no effect on me.

What DOES have an effect on me is when the neurotic DEMANDS that I ignore reality and support their fantasy AND that I am now subject to various legal penalties if reality is embraced.

Anyway, if we are now all to be are forced to participate in the fantasies of those distressed by reality, I wish to be known as a young and vital handsome guy.

Being old ain't for sissies. It's actually quite distressing. Being young is gift wasted on the youthful who blissfully wallow in it with no idea how it has eased their lives.

Is it too much to ask of the the woke who are willing to suspend their rationality for others gripped by fantasies to simply do so again for me? I merely want to join this group of folks so entitled.

Seems reasonable in a non-sane way. ;)
 
CLAX1911 said:
My apologies I meant to type oppression.
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That helps.

It's an odd world we live in when capability and achievement are now defined as oppressive qualities.

Victimhood seems to have become stylish. Oppression status, if I'm understanding your thoughts, has become stylish for many.

This is convenient for those claiming the status of oppression as no failure or shortfall is the responsibility of the victim. It is always the fault of the oppressor.

If a person is a victim and therefore has no responsibility for their success or failure, they have no responsibility to act on their own behalf.

In truth, acting on their own behalf would unite them to the folks they identify as oppressors. If they are "good" people, oppressing others would be unthinkable. They do not want to be a bad person and this demands they be a victim.

There is no other state of being.

It's a self perpetuating state of taking pride in failing.

I'm not sure that this connects to folks distressed that they are what they are in a gender identification sense, but it might be.
 
Rich2018 said:
Because white males were never oppressed


The Irish would disagree with that with regard to British rule.




Edit: Wasn't the US Revolutionary War fought to shed the yoke of oppression levied by King George III's tyrannical government ?
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It's interesting that so many claim group membership if that group is oppressed.

I'm reminded of the young man who murdered his parents and then begged the court for mercy as he was an orphan.

Juicy Smallay (Jussie Smollett) is one such moron blessed by the society in which he lives and resentful that he does not have more.

Can you imagine a good looking young man with barrels of money claiming victim status. You don't need to imagine. Here is the image of today's victim in America:



 
AProudLefty said:
You mean this?

"Discrimination against a transgender individual could result in fines of up to $250,000, but these fines won’t be handed out for accidentally misusing pronouns. According to the new guidelines, the commission can impose civil penalties of up to $125,000 for violations of the law and (in extreme circumstances) of up to $250,000 for violations that are the result of “willful, wanton, or malicious” conduct."
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You found it!

Good for you.
 
code1211 said:
Your definition is pretty much the same as mine. The psychological neurosis of the afflicted allows them to understand that they are something they don't like.
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"Your" definition trivializes the issue. "My" definition recognizes that gender is not the same thing as sex.

It's also not "mine" in any way, shape or form. I'm relying on medical professionals, who recognize that gender dysphoria (which, to be clear, does not apply to all transgender individuals) is a serious condition, not something made up by people who desire to be oppressed (which is, yeah, pretty much no one).
What Is Gender Dysphoria?


What DOES have an effect on me is when the neurotic DEMANDS that I ignore reality and support their fantasy AND that I am now subject to various legal penalties if reality is embraced.
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:roll:

As I already pointed out: Statements like that do not magically establish that your view of reality is 100% true and correct for everything. In fact, your view is deeply flawed, because it fails to recognize that gender is a social, not biological, construct. All they do, to put it charitably (and within the posting guidelines...), is show your own total lack of understanding of the situation, almost certainly due to your own biases.

As to the legal penalties? I don't know (or care really) where you live, so I have no idea what penalties apply. However, the history of civil rights is full of people who proclaim that rejections of racism, sexism, homophobia, religious discrimination and so on are "fantasies" whose protection they "resent." So yeah, I'm not really finding your desire to disrespect and discriminate against transgender people all that persuasive.
 
code1211 said:
You found it!

Good for you.
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I thought you said you could read? You claimed that they can be fined for using the wrong pronoun.
I'll guide you since you have difficulty reading.
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"Discrimination against a transgender individual could result in fines of up to $250,000, but these fines won’t be handed out for accidentally misusing pronouns"
 
code1211 said:
That helps.

It's an odd world we live in when capability and achievement are now defined as oppressive qualities.

Victimhood seems to have become stylish. Oppression status, if I'm understanding your thoughts, has become stylish for many.

This is convenient for those claiming the status of oppression as no failure or shortfall is the responsibility of the victim. It is always the fault of the oppressor.

If a person is a victim and therefore has no responsibility for their success or failure, they have no responsibility to act on their own behalf.

In truth, acting on their own behalf would unite them to the folks they identify as oppressors. If they are "good" people, oppressing others would be unthinkable. They do not want to be a bad person and this demands they be a victim.

There is no other state of being.

It's a self perpetuating state of taking pride in failing.

I'm not sure that this connects to folks distressed that they are what they are in a gender identification sense, but it might be.
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No no no. Victimhood isn't about achievement achievement works the same way and always has. Victimhood is about blame being placed on others for why you can't achieve anything rather than on yourself.

All these victims complain about how it isn't fair. Is if life is supposed to be. How there's some cabal of people holding them back. It's transference of blame from themselves onto this conspiracy they have fabricated.

Did you wonder why race relations got worse after we elected a black president? It's because our nation isn't really racist. And the people who use that as an excuse for underachieving desperately don't want to lose that ability. So they spin the narrative.
 
AProudLefty said:
I thought you said you could read? You claimed that they can be fined for using the wrong pronoun.
I'll guide you since you have difficulty reading.
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"Discrimination against a transgender individual could result in fines of up to $250,000, but these fines won’t be handed out for accidentally misusing pronouns"
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Will they be handed out for purposefully using the "wrong" pronouns?
 
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