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Self Identification Demands Placed On Others

code1211 said:
So, then, the woman in the restroom offended by the penis of the woman next to her is... what?
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:roll:

They have these crazy things now called "stalls," which should prevent anyone from seeing the actual anatomy of another person in a public restroom.

Again, your presentation of such irrational fear-mongering is not a persuasive argument that proves your point, it only illustrates your own refusal to understand, desire to fear-monger, and your discriminatory intent towards others.
 
eman623 said:
When a baby is born they don't do a DNA test. The doctor just declares "boy" or "girl" and guess what? He's RIGHT about 99.9% of the time...
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So what about the other 1% (which is quite a lot and Btw what is your source for "99%" ? )


...gender is not sex. You can self-declare your gender. Not your sex.
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Yes it is sex = gender

And who is to say your gender/sex definition is the right one ?
 
Visbek said:
How about the World Health Organization?
WHO | Gender

Or the American Medical Association?
Sex, Gender, and Why the Differences Matter | Journal of Ethics | American Medical Association

Or perhaps actual doctors and medical researchers?
https://www.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/japplphysiol.00376.2005
How sex and gender — which are not the same thing — influence our health | Stanford Medicine
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Yes all good sources


Yet scientific gender classification can contradict the sexual organs you have between your legs.


The point is the the gender assigned at birth (and so on the birth certificate etc) can be different to scientific organisations' technical view.

Accordingly, having a mechanism for people to decide themselves what they want to be is the only sensible approach.
 
code1211 said:
Is my racial identification important to your response in this consideration?
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If you're white you don't get an impression status unless you're trans which is why I think transgenderism is so in right now. And then you have no binary which is just words you say that grant you oppression status.
 
CLAX1911 said:
If you're white you don't get an impression status unless you're trans which is why I think transgenderism is so in right now. And then you have no binary which is just words you say that grant you oppression status.
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What the what?

Do you really think that anyone says "You know what? It's really great to get assaulted in public, shot at by police, blocked or fired from jobs, and to be evicted from apartments. Those black people have it made! But I can't make myself black, and I want the added benefits of being ostracized by almost every other group in the world, hated by my family, and blocked from entering public bathrooms. That all sounds great! All I have to do is tell people I'm transgender."

SMH.
 
Visbek said:
What the what?

Do you really think that anyone says "You know what? It's really great to get assaulted in public, shot at by police, blocked or fired from jobs, and to be evicted from apartments. Those black people have it made! But I can't make myself black, and I want the added benefits of being ostracized by almost every other group in the world, hated by my family, and blocked from entering public bathrooms. That all sounds great! All I have to do is tell people I'm transgender."

SMH.
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It made no sense to me either.
 
Visbek said:
What the what?

Do you really think that anyone says "You know what? It's really great to get assaulted in public, shot at by police, blocked or fired from jobs, and to be evicted from apartments. Those black people have it made! But I can't make myself black, and I want the added benefits of being ostracized by almost every other group in the world, hated by my family, and blocked from entering public bathrooms. That all sounds great! All I have to do is tell people I'm transgender."

SMH.
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There isn't open season on black people this isn't the 1960s
 
CLAX1911 said:
There isn't open season on black people this isn't the 1960s
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lol

OK then, have it your way.

Do you really think that anyone says "You know what? It's really great to get harrassed and shot by police, blocked or fired from jobs, and to be evicted from apartments. Those black people have it made! But I can't make myself black, and I want the added benefits of being assaulted in public, ostracized by almost every other group in the world, hated by my family, and blocked from entering public bathrooms to boot. That all sounds great! All I have to do is tell people I'm transgender."

SMH.
 
Visbek said:
lol

OK then, have it your way.

Do you really think that anyone says "You know what? It's really great to get harrassed and shot by police, blocked or fired from jobs, and to be evicted from apartments. Those black people have it made! But I can't make myself black, and I want the added benefits of being assaulted in public, ostracized by almost every other group in the world, hated by my family, and blocked from entering public bathrooms to boot. That all sounds great! All I have to do is tell people I'm transgender."

SMH.
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This isn't the 1970s either.
 
code1211 said:
Perfect!

You will please refer to me in the future as "The World's Most Handsome and Desirable Man".

See? I DO understand!

This link a great illustration of the stupidity you demand. ;)

YouTube
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No, it's not.
You're reducing everybody to the level of a troll.
That means that you are convinced that there is actually no such thing as gender dysphoria.

Okay...alright...that's your opinion, and you have every right to your opinion.
Of course, the Church of Scientology has every right to their opinion, too...which happens to be that ALL forms of psychiatry are evil and barbaric, and that psychiatrists should be thrown in prison.
Several well known churches believe that interracial marriage and interreligious marriages are an affront to God.
Several well known politicians are of the opinion that Earth is only six thousand years old.

I see no point in debating this issue with a person who cannot comprehend real issues that have existed since the dawn of the human race, just because they do not understand how mental health professionals arrived at a medical conclusion about the issue which conflicts with that person's ingrained instinctive bigoted reflexes.

The law, however, has arrived at the conclusion that mental health professionals know more than you do.
Yes, there are trolls who attempt to game the system.
Guess what? There are also "patent trolls" who do a similar thing in the business world, and those people do it for a profit.
Does that mean that everyone who files or litigates a patent is a patent troll?

Enjoy your outlook on the world. There is no payoff for me to try to change your thinking.
After all, I am not the boss who has to fire you for harassing another worker just because their sexual ID status makes you uncomfortable and I am also not the least bit interested in figuring out if it's because you might have your own closeted self-loathing latent tendencies.
If you do, get help.
If you don't, it just means you enjoy being a massive jerk.
Either way, they're both above my pay grade here at DP.
 
Visbek said:
:roll:

They have these crazy things now called "stalls," which should prevent anyone from seeing the actual anatomy of another person in a public restroom.

Again, your presentation of such irrational fear-mongering is not a persuasive argument that proves your point, it only illustrates your own refusal to understand, desire to fear-monger, and your discriminatory intent towards others.
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Of course it might even be that such a person is offended by the presence of the stalls.
Maybe they feel an overpowering need to check the genitalia of everyone in the restroom?
Not saying that IS the case, just suggesting that it MIGHT be.

But I could be wrong :)
 
CLAX1911 said:
Am I missing something here?
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Yes, you are

The knowledge that despite this not being the 50's, racism in the US has not magically disappeared. There still is discrimination, just not legal.

The last couple of years, a few videos of black people being kicked out of pools or the attempts to get them kicked out of pools surfaced
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Yes, you are

The knowledge that despite this not being the 50's, racism in the US has not magically disappeared.
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true it died a slow and painful death over two decades.
There still is discrimination, just not legal.
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there's still senseless killings that aren't legal.

The last couple of years, a few videos of black people being kicked out of pools or the attempts to get them kicked out of pools surfaced
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So? Is it because they're black and if so prove it.
 
CLAX1911 said:
true it died a slow and painful death over two decades. there's still senseless killings that aren't legal.


So? Is it because they're black and if so prove it.
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Right

The US has become a utopia regarding racial relations. A magical fairy tale land where the fountains spray chocolate and the streets are paved with gold


Why next you will tell me that discrimination towards gays and lesbians no longer exist in this magical fairy tale land
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Right

The US has become a utopia regarding racial relations. A magical fairy tale land where the fountains spray chocolate and the streets are paved with gold


Why next you will tell me that discrimination towards gays and lesbians no longer exist in this magical fairy tale land
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So you can't show me these black people were thrown out of pools because they were black.

Yeah I didn't think so.
 
CLAX1911 said:
So you can't show me these black people were thrown out of pools because they were black.

Yeah I didn't think so.
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The posts are here on DP, you can look for them easily enough if you want to. But you can continue to live in the fairy tale land as I expect you want to
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The posts are here on DP, you can look for them easily enough if you want to.
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I'm not going to search out evidence for your claims that's not how it works the burden of proof is on you.

But you can continue to live in the fairy tale land as I expect you want to
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If it helps you save face to blame me because you failed to prove your claim then go ahead and do it it's okay I can take it. But I'm not going to take anything you say on the subject seriously.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I'm not going to search out evidence for your claims that's not how it works the burden of proof is on you.


If it helps you save face to blame me because you failed to prove your claim then go ahead and do it it's okay I can take it. But I'm not going to take anything you say on the subject seriously.
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The claim is available for you to find easy enough.

I expect none of the articles I would have found would have you admit they were asked to leave because they were black. I do not waste my time on people who will not actually read and accept what they read.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The claim is available for you to find easy enough.
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then it would be easy for you to prove.

It's not my claim. If it's easy for you to prove and you don't then you're either lying or lazy.


I expect none of the articles I would have found would have you admit they were asked to leave because they were black.
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probably because it was not because they were black.

Suggesting you don't even believe your claim.

I do not waste my time on people who will not actually read and accept what they read.
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Again you can blame your failure on me if you wish I'm okay with it.

It's just don't ever expect to be taken seriously when you make it again.
 
CLAX1911 said:
then it would be easy for you to prove.

It's not my claim. If it's easy for you to prove and you don't then you're either lying or lazy.


probably because it was not because they were black.

Suggesting you don't even believe your claim.


Again you can blame your failure on me if you wish I'm okay with it.

It's just don't ever expect to be taken seriously when you make it again.
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Then why were they kicked out?

No baggy pants, no dread-locks/weaves/extensions or revealing clothes will be permitted or you will be asked to leave” was one of whimsy; it seemed so ridiculous. That is until my 16-year-old daughter, who has swum competitively and worn locs for a decade, quickly stated her displeasure with the rules with an emphatic “that’s racist” (and I won’t state the descriptor that she added).

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And as recently as a decade ago, a largely black summer camp was denied regular attendance at a private swim club that had previously agreed to let them use the pool, after white club members complained.
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Beyond Pool Patrol Paula and ID Adam: America’s long history of racism at pools - Vox

On June 24, a white woman named Stephanie Sebby-Strempel, now known as “Pool Patrol Paula” on the internet, physically assaulted a 15-year-old black boy at a private community pool in Summerville, South Carolina, claiming he and his friends “didn’t belong” there, then exclaiming, “Get out, little punks!”

Then, on the Fourth of July, a white man named Adam Bloom singled out the only black family at a crowded community pool in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, and demanded to see the mother’s “identification,” even though she had used a resident key card to enter the facility and no one else at the pool had to show an ID. When she refused, Bloom called the police.

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Recall the attorney who threatened to call ICE on several New York City restaurant workers when he heard them speaking Spanish to customers.
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The racial stereotypes that justified swimming segregation are not often openly expressed today. However, we still see their impact on our urban and suburban landscapes. Closed public pools and shuttered skating rinks degrade urban centers.

And there are moments when one hears the direct echo of those earlier struggles. In 2009, for example, the owner of a private swim club in Philadelphia excluded black children attending a Philadelphia day care center, saying they would change the “complexion” of the club.

In 2015 in a wealthy subdivision outside of Dallas, police targeted black teenagers attending a pool party.

These incidents, and our collective memories, are explicable only in the context of a rarely acknowledged history.
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The forgotten history of segregated swimming pools and amusement parks - UB Now: News and views for UB faculty and staff - University at Buffalo


Nope none of those instances were because the people were racist. The blacks or people speaking Spanish were all doing something wrong

I can find plenty more.
 
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