Self Identification Demands Placed On Others

code1211 · Sep 12, 2019

With the recent insanity regarding individuals demanding that the rest of us accept their insanity of self identification counter to reality, a thought struck me.

I happen to be an old guy about 10 or 20 pounds heavier than I would like to be. I have numerous skin areas that have veins displayed resembling maps of river deltas.

My face has wrinkles and my posture is less straight than I would prefer. My movements are far from silky smooth and my attitudes are sometimes a tad uncaring and abrasive to those around me.

I'm pretty sure that if the great majority of women witnessed my naked body, locally or internationally, they would ask me to please put some clothes on ASAP.

All of that said, I would like to self identify immediately as a very handsome, intelligent and graceful young man, physically beautiful and unblemished, with an engaging manner that is the fantasy dream of women.

When I make known my new self identification, is everyone now obligated to treat me in the way that my new self identification demands?

Just wondering... At what point will the stupid insanity of the insane Left be called out for what it is?

Lord Tammerlain · Sep 12, 2019

code1211 said:
With the recent insanity regarding individuals demanding that the rest of us accept their insanity of self identification counter to reality, a thought struck me.

I happen to be an old guy about 10 or 20 pounds heavier than I would like to be. I have numerous skin areas that have veins displayed resembling maps of river deltas.

My face has wrinkles and my posture is less straight than I would prefer. My movements are far from silky smooth and my attitudes are sometimes a tad uncaring and abrasive to those around me.

I'm pretty sure that if the great majority of women witnessed my naked body, locally or internationally, they would ask me to please put some clothes on ASAP.

All of that said, I would like to self identify immediately as a very handsome, intelligent and graceful young man, physically beautiful and unblemished, with an engaging manner that is the fantasy dream of women.

When I make known my new self identification, is everyone now obligated to treat me in the way that my new self identification demands?

Just wondering... At what point will the stupid insanity of the insane Left be called out for what it is?

You can identify as anything you want. For others to engage with you, and accept what you identify as, you have to work to appear as much as possible as what you identify as. Transgenders at least will work to appear as what they identify as. If they identify as a woman, they will dress and act like a woman.

So for you to identify as a handsome fit young, charismatic younger man, will have a lot of work to do in order to get others to even notice that you identify as the handsome young fit man who is charismatic. At the very least you would have to walk around with a sign saying as much.

So much like some transgenders you have a lot of surgery ahead, and acting lessons

joko104 · Sep 12, 2019

Lord Tammerlain said:
You can identify as anything you want. For others to engage with you, and accept what you identify as, you have to work to appear as much as possible as what you identify as. Transgenders at least will work to appear as what they identify as. If they identify as a woman, they will dress and act like a woman.

So for you to identify as a handsome fit young, charismatic younger man, will have a lot of work to do in order to get others to even notice that you identify as the handsome young fit man who is charismatic. At the very least you would have to walk around with a sign saying as much.

So much like some transgenders you have a lot of surgery ahead, and acting lessons

No, that is false. There is NO requirement that transgender try to look like the other sex. None whatsoever. In fact, your claim is an admission that being transgender is largely only about playing an external appearance social role, not an internal sense of the person's sex. Nor would it be possible to have a more demeaning and trivializing claim of what being a female is. To you apparently it is just wearing makeup and a skirt.

Lord Tammerlain · Sep 12, 2019

joko104 said:
No, that is false. There is NO requirement that transgender try to look like the other sex. None whatsoever. In fact, your claim is an admission that being transgender is largely only about playing an external appearance social role, not an internal sense of the person's sex. Nor would it be possible to have a more demeaning and trivializing claim of what being a female is. To you apparently it is just wearing makeup and a skirt.

If I do not know you how could I know what you identify as if you do not at least try to look and act like what you identify as. If you were a woman who identifies as a man, and dressed, and acted like a woman, expect the general public to treat you like a woman. If you are a man, and identify as a man, but dress and act like a woman, expect the general public to treat you like a woman (to a degree dependent on how much you look and act like one

Checkerboard Strangler · Sep 12, 2019

code1211 said:
With the recent insanity regarding individuals demanding that the rest of us accept their insanity of self identification counter to reality, a thought struck me.

I happen to be an old guy about 10 or 20 pounds heavier than I would like to be. I have numerous skin areas that have veins displayed resembling maps of river deltas.

My face has wrinkles and my posture is less straight than I would prefer. My movements are far from silky smooth and my attitudes are sometimes a tad uncaring and abrasive to those around me.

I'm pretty sure that if the great majority of women witnessed my naked body, locally or internationally, they would ask me to please put some clothes on ASAP.

All of that said, I would like to self identify immediately as a very handsome, intelligent and graceful young man, physically beautiful and unblemished, with an engaging manner that is the fantasy dream of women.

When I make known my new self identification, is everyone now obligated to treat me in the way that my new self identification demands?

Just wondering... At what point will the stupid insanity of the insane Left be called out for what it is?

Your movements are far from silky smooth and your attitudes are sometimes a tad uncaring and abrasive to those around you?
I don't think those are your biggest problems right at the moment.

Right at the moment, your biggest problems seem to be the fact that you invest an inordinate amount of time and effort in exhibiting attention-seeking behavior on an anonymous political message board.
The half a million or so transgender people in this country probably don't give two ****s if you think they're men or women, so good look with your crusade.

Lursa · Sep 12, 2019

code1211 said:
With the recent insanity regarding individuals demanding that the rest of us accept their insanity of self identification counter to reality, a thought struck me.

I happen to be an old guy about 10 or 20 pounds heavier than I would like to be. I have numerous skin areas that have veins displayed resembling maps of river deltas.

My face has wrinkles and my posture is less straight than I would prefer. My movements are far from silky smooth and my attitudes are sometimes a tad uncaring and abrasive to those around me.

I'm pretty sure that if the great majority of women witnessed my naked body, locally or internationally, they would ask me to please put some clothes on ASAP.

All of that said, I would like to self identify immediately as a very handsome, intelligent and graceful young man, physically beautiful and unblemished, with an engaging manner that is the fantasy dream of women.

When I make known my new self identification, is everyone now obligated to treat me in the way that my new self identification demands?

Just wondering... At what point will the stupid insanity of the insane Left be called out for what it is?

I think that laws demanding people cant be naked are stupid, except for public health reasons...but that would just mean wearing underwear/panties.

Nobody is forced to look at you. Wear what you want or go naked...if there are laws, then they need to be followed.

No one is forced to look at you, they can always look away. You can identify as looking however you want, but if you want people to acknowledge how you identify, you're going to need to wear a sign because lack of clothes does not = as a very handsome, intelligent and graceful young man, physically beautiful and unblemished, with an engaging manner that is the fantasy dream of women. Some people just hate wearing clothes.

So your example fails...in a variety of ways.

Rich2018 · Sep 12, 2019

code1211 said:
With the recent insanity regarding individuals demanding that the rest of us accept their insanity of self identification counter to reality, a thought struck me.

I happen to be an old guy about 10 or 20 pounds heavier than I would like to be. I have numerous skin areas that have veins displayed resembling maps of river deltas.

My face has wrinkles and my posture is less straight than I would prefer. My movements are far from silky smooth and my attitudes are sometimes a tad uncaring and abrasive to those around me.

I'm pretty sure that if the great majority of women witnessed my naked body, locally or internationally, they would ask me to please put some clothes on ASAP.

All of that said, I would like to self identify immediately as a very handsome, intelligent and graceful young man, physically beautiful and unblemished, with an engaging manner that is the fantasy dream of women.

When I make known my new self identification, is everyone now obligated to treat me in the way that my new self identification demands?

Just wondering... At what point will the stupid insanity of the insane Left be called out for what it is?

Call yourself Dave and say you're beautiful.

Great.

Angel · Sep 12, 2019

code1211 said:
With the recent insanity regarding individuals demanding that the rest of us accept their insanity of self identification counter to reality, a thought struck me.
...
Just wondering... At what point will the stupid insanity of the insane Left be called out for what it is?

The politicization of subjectivity is the rabbit hole down which liberal democracy has disappeared in recent years.
The legalization of subjectivized objectivity has removed liberal democratic culture from any basis in reality.
The noble political experiment has exploded and wrecked the lab.

Rich2018 · Sep 12, 2019

Angel said:
The politicization of subjectivity is the rabbit hole down which liberal democracy has disappeared in recent years.
The legalization of subjectivized objectivity has removed liberal democratic culture from any basis in reality.
The noble political experiment has exploded and wrecked the lab.

What ???

Angel, you make Nostradamus look like a clear writer.

code1211 · Sep 13, 2019

Lord Tammerlain said:
You can identify as anything you want. For others to engage with you, and accept what you identify as, you have to work to appear as much as possible as what you identify as. Transgenders at least will work to appear as what they identify as. If they identify as a woman, they will dress and act like a woman.

So for you to identify as a handsome fit young, charismatic younger man, will have a lot of work to do in order to get others to even notice that you identify as the handsome young fit man who is charismatic. At the very least you would have to walk around with a sign saying as much.

So much like some transgenders you have a lot of surgery ahead, and acting lessons

LOL!

Well, nobody said it would be easy.

Could I at least demand that the pronouns used to describe me be changed to reflect my proclaimed delusion?

code1211 · Sep 13, 2019

joko104 said:
No, that is false. There is NO requirement that transgender try to look like the other sex. None whatsoever. In fact, your claim is an admission that being transgender is largely only about playing an external appearance social role, not an internal sense of the person's sex. Nor would it be possible to have a more demeaning and trivializing claim of what being a female is. To you apparently it is just wearing makeup and a skirt.

Well, I'm glad that someone got the point of my post.

code1211 · Sep 13, 2019

Lord Tammerlain said:
If I do not know you how could I know what you identify as if you do not at least try to look and act like what you identify as. If you were a woman who identifies as a man, and dressed, and acted like a woman, expect the general public to treat you like a woman. If you are a man, and identify as a man, but dress and act like a woman, expect the general public to treat you like a woman (to a degree dependent on how much you look and act like one

code1211 · Sep 13, 2019

Checkerboard Strangler said:
Your movements are far from silky smooth and your attitudes are sometimes a tad uncaring and abrasive to those around you?
I don't think those are your biggest problems right at the moment.

Right at the moment, your biggest problems seem to be the fact that you invest an inordinate amount of time and effort in exhibiting attention-seeking behavior on an anonymous political message board.
The half a million or so transgender people in this country probably don't give two ****s if you think they're men or women, so good look with your crusade.

No crusade.

Just an observation of the very humorous reality obscured by the insanity of the easily offended delusional elitists.

In most cases in this topic area, a "good look" is the LAST thing I seek.

I'm only seeking to recognize a new protected class with its own set of senseless pronouns to define it covering the folks scarred only by multiple decades of surviving.

Lacking that, I suppose Senior Discounts are enough of a societal concession to suffice.

. Love that cheap coffee!

code1211 · Sep 13, 2019

Rich2018 said:
Call yourself Dave and say you're beautiful.

Great.

So, then, no special pronouns?

code1211 · Sep 13, 2019

Angel said:
The politicization of subjectivity is the rabbit hole down which liberal democracy has disappeared in recent years.
The legalization of subjectivized objectivity has removed liberal democratic culture from any basis in reality.
The noble political experiment has exploded and wrecked the lab.

Perfectly stated!

Lord Tammerlain · Sep 13, 2019

code1211 said:
LOL!

Well, nobody said it would be easy.

Could I at least demand that the pronouns used to describe me be changed to reflect my proclaimed delusion?

like hey guy, whatch doing dude

Rich2018 · Sep 13, 2019

code1211 said:
So, then, no special pronouns?

Use a superlative if you want.

Lursa · Sep 13, 2019

Lord Tammerlain said:
If you are a man, and identify as a man, but dress and act like a woman, expect the general public to treat you like a woman (to a degree dependent on how much you look and act like one

Am I the only person that treats men and women the same out in public?

If you are treating men and women (strangers) differently...why?

Lord Tammerlain · Sep 13, 2019

Lursa said:
Am I the only person that treats men and women the same out in public?

If you are treating men and women (strangers) differently...why?

So when you greet a woman you do not know you say

"Good Day Sir"

Lursa · Sep 13, 2019

Lord Tammerlain said:
So when you greet a woman you do not know you say

"Good Day Sir"

LOL

And sorry, I wasnt really picking on your post, I just read that and wanted to ask my question to the thread in general.

Lord Tammerlain · Sep 13, 2019

Lursa said:
LOL

And sorry, I wasnt really picking on your post, I just read that and wanted to ask my question to the general thread.

No problem,

I will say that we do treat people differently depending on who they are and what gender they are, even if we do not know it. If a good looking woman walks by I will try to subtly check her out, but not if it was a guy, if a person looks homeless and potentially with a mental disorder I am sure that most of us try to keep a distance from them, especially compared to someone well dressed

Lursa · Sep 13, 2019

Lord Tammerlain said:
No problem,

I will say that we do treat people differently depending on who they are and what gender they are, even if we do not know it. If a good looking woman walks by I will try to subtly check her out, but not if it was a guy, if a person looks homeless and potentially with a mental disorder I am sure that most of us try to keep a distance from them, especially compared to someone well dressed

Oh I know...but that's more about appearance rather than gender, yes? I mean, I dont ignore "what someone is putting out there," meaning attitude, appearance, their words, etc. Certainly I'd address a person that appears homeless that approaches me than someone that looks like a gang-banger. OTOH, it could be a really sloppy rich person and they'd be insulted!

So there really is no way to *be sure* as we go around interacting with people in life, is there?

IMO, much, if not most, of the angst I see around the trans issues are from men that are just scared ****less of being accidentally attracted to man. And are very angry that this may happen more and more as the lines become more and more blurred. It's so unfair! :roll:

And that's their problem really, not someone else's. And it's only a problem if "they" feel it is.

Hondo · Sep 13, 2019

I'm an old guy self-identifying as an old guy and I'm going to act in accordance with the costums, manners, and etiquette of polite society as was taught to me. If you don't like it, I'll call you an ageist and ask you to politely get the !@#$ of my lawn or I'll turn you into a random gender pronoun with a real man's gun not some f@&&!t AR15.

Lursa · Sep 13, 2019

Hondo said:
I'm an old guy self-identifying as an old guy and I'm going to act in accordance with the costums, manners, and etiquette of polite society as was taught to me. If you don't like it, I'll call you an ageist and ask you to politely get the !@#$ of my lawn or I'll turn you into a random gender pronoun with a real man's gun not some f@&&!t AR15.

How is a person self-identifying being 'impolite?' Or discourteous? It sounds like you are implying that.

Why would you react so offensively to someone self-identifying as a different gender than 'you believe' they are?

Hondo · Sep 13, 2019

Lursa said:
How is a person self-identifying being 'impolite?' Or discourteous? It sounds like you are implying that.

Why would you react so offensively to someone self-identifying as a different gender than 'you believe' they are?

I didn't say that the self-identifyee was not being in polite. I said I am going to express politeness in the manner I was taught. If I say, "Good morning, ladies," and someone is offended, respect my age and get off my lawn.

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