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My Gay Agenda

Checkerboard Strangler said:
I've got quotes from you where YOU recommend violence to force people to accept YOUR values.
I've got quotes where you express comfort with a theocratic government, or a monarchy, or where you expect to see all left leaning values criminalized.

So let's stop pretending that you have ANY interest in politics AT ALL, because you don't!
For you, politics is a "Christian Taliban enforcing by decree" (in YOUR case, a papal bull) and backing up those decrees with incarceration or worse.

This is ridiculous. Why are you even on a political debate forum at all, you should be planning the overthrow and the installation of your theocracy, not pretending that you tolerate any form of debate.
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I did advocate for monarchy, I did not advocate forcing people to engage in non-consensual transactions.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Refusing service to someone in a commercial setting is not harm.

Where does Jesus command accommodating someone’s mortally sinful behavior?
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Your idea would apply equally to whites-only business as it would to religious bigots who discriminate against LGBT people. Do you want to set a legal precedent to support racial discrimination as long as the bigot in question can claim that his racism is founded on the Bible?

Jesus said not to judge others. He also said to do unto others as they would have them do unto you. Luke 6:31 and Matthew 7:12.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
I agree with the first part and end part.

But the middle part you cant really control unless someone is REALLY REALLY stupid and reveals their hand publically. In most places in America they can just fire you for no reason at all. You can replace the word "faggot" with just about anything and if the boss said that publically they would be removed from position. "I fired him cuz I dont like fat-asses"; "I fired him cuz I dont like women"; "I fired him cuz I dont like men", "I fired him cuz I dont like Republicans".
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You are right, someone would have to be really really stupid to put their bigotry on blast like that, I was just using that example to make a clear point that would be easily understood.

One job that I had for over 10 years I lost because the new general manager has an issue with the "gays." He wasn't fool enough to say that to my face,but he made no bones about to everyone else. "I just can't stand fags, I just don't want them around me anymore..." I was let go in less than a month.

(I had a clean file, no write-ups nor files on any disciplinary violations in my company record)
The man just hated the "gays."
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I did advocate for the monarchy, I did not advocate forcing people to engage in non-consensual transactions.
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Why would a rational person support the return of the divine right of kings?
 
AProudLefty said:
90-95
You? :)

Actually they had great math and CS programs. Science classes were great. Go figure.
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Montgomery College in MD, Brown Institute in MN, and UCLA here in California.
I did MC and BI pretty much in one fell swoop in the Seventies, spent a few years working and then wound up going to UCLA for a year to pick up enough credits to get my Bachelor's (BA) in Film (1982) but of course the moment you wind up working on set, you realize that you don't know very much.

I've been a Lefty all my life, settled a wee bit closer to the middle after I hit my late twenties/early thirties.
Still pretty much a Lefty though.
My big thing is the fact that a lot of our problems are long term or perennial and not as hard to fix as we lead ourselves to believe.
I happen to believe that our biggest issues arise from despair, with most of that despair being in the lower strata of society.
If you can stimulate a healthy turnover, or "churn" in the underclass via increased upward mobility, then the despair level decreases, which tends to alleviate some of our most pressing problems to some degree.

An underclass with a lot of turnover simply becomes a temporary "bottom" where people "pay their dues" and learn to become upwardly mobile.
They they DO become upwardly mobile and transition to a higher level, and new people come into the underclass to take their place, and the cycle repeats itself.
Upward mobility is hope, and hope is healthy.
Upward mobility is a cure for "the despair quotient".

It is when the underclass becomes stagnant, and permanent, that the "infection" spreads throughout all of society.
Hope dies, democracy dies, darkness pervails, and all the social ills that lead to societal breakdown start to become epidemic.

And we are seeing that happen right now.
In today's America, if you're born poor, more often than not, you tend to STAY poor, and if you're born rich, you tend to get richer.
And to Hell with everyone in between, or so it seems.

That is what leads to balkanization, tribalism, extreme forms of nationalism, breakdown of collective cooperation, lack of trust in institutions, death of education and critical thinking, isolationism, xenophobia, sectarian violence, excessive militarization, authoritarianism and the loss of accepted collective national identity.

Growing up, I was keenly aware of a kind of national collective consciousness, we were all "Americans".
That's been gone, by my observation, since around the mid-1980's for the most part.

And in the last decade or so, everything else I mentioned above has begun to hit epidemic levels, as predicted.
It's the Despair Quotient.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
In other words you want the government to violently force people to cater to your abnormality
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Well, I'm not sure how I've missed your presence here before, but this post is quite moronic and indicates your abnormality.
 
joko104 said:
Which of those have happened to you or your partner? Be specific.
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Sure thing...

To begin with, my partner and I were together 10 years before the Supreme Court ruled that the Constitution guarantees a right to same-sex marriage.
So that happened.


This is a link the post describing my experience with a big ole biggot boss:

My Gay Agenda

That happened as well.
 
noonereal said:
What a hate-filled vicious thing to say.
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That abnormality could mean opposing interracial marriage, people who are non-white, not-Christians or people with a disability.

I missed that passage in the Gospels when Jesus told his followers to act in this manner. There must be an alternate version of the Sermon on the Mount that covered this.
 
Lisa said:
That abnormality could mean opposing interracial marriage, people who are non-white, not-Christians or people with a disability.

I missed that passage in the Gospels when Jesus told his followers to act in this manner. There must be an alternate version of the Sermon on the Mount that covered this.
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You missed the revised edition of the bible, the King Trump edition.
 
Joel said:
I want my partner and I to be able to have the same legal protections and benefits as any other couple who have been together for 14 years and I don't care what you call it, marriage or civil union, either on works for me. I don't want to lose my job because I get an a-hole boss who doesn't like those "fagg*ts." and lastly, not to have to worry about a health care professional refusing to provide necessary medical care to me because of their "religious freedom." ... That is pretty much the extent of my gay political activism.
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And I want you to have the same benefits of us straight guys.Alimony,spousal support,half of your pension,splitting up property,and going bankrupt when you two split up.
 
gulfman said:
And I want you to have the same benefits of us straight guys.Alimony,spousal support,half of your pension,splitting up property,and going bankrupt when you two split up.
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Gotta have it both ways. Be careful what you wish for. :D

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Lisa said:
That abnormality could mean opposing interracial marriage, people who are non-white, not-Christians or people with a disability.

I missed that passage in the Gospels when Jesus told his followers to act in this manner. There must be an alternate version of the Sermon on the Mount that covered this.
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So marriage to persons with a disability is frowned upon, too?
Of course that's been happening all along. Helen Keller's own father threatened to invoke a little known clause in Alabama law to prevent Helen's marriage to Boston Herald reporter Peter Fagan, on the premise that he was marrying "an imbecile", which was illegal under Alabama law.
Keller's own father was prepared to label his daughter an imbecile.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
So marriage to persons with a disability is frowned upon, too?
Of course that's been happening all along. Helen Keller's own father threatened to invoke a little known clause in Alabama law to prevent Helen's marriage to Boston Herald reporter Peter Fagan, on the premise that he was marrying "an imbecile", which was illegal under Alabama law.
Keller's own father was prepared to label his daughter an imbecile.
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How do you punish Helen Keller? Put her in a round room and tell her to sit in a corner.

Mad props for her.
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gulfman said:
And I want you to have the same benefits of us straight guys.Alimony,spousal support,half of your pension,splitting up property,and going bankrupt when you two split up.
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Yes! Those are the risks of legal matrimony, legal nightmares if it ends.
 
Joel said:
I want my partner and I to be able to have the same legal protections and benefits as any other couple who have been together for 14 years and I don't care what you call it, marriage or civil union, either on works for me. I don't want to lose my job because I get an a-hole boss who doesn't like those "fagg*ts." and lastly, not to have to worry about a health care professional refusing to provide necessary medical care to me because of their "religious freedom." ... That is pretty much the extent of my gay political activism.
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Sounds reasonable to me.

- Agree you should have the same legal protections.
- Agree a boss should be neutral. What one does in private is their business. One should also not be fired or sued because one may have a different opinion regarding gays.
- Agree, healthcare should not be an issue for anyone.
 
Joel said:
I want my partner and I to be able to have the same legal protections and benefits as any other couple who have been together for 14 years and I don't care what you call it, marriage or civil union, either on works for me. I don't want to lose my job because I get an a-hole boss who doesn't like those "fagg*ts." and lastly, not to have to worry about a health care professional refusing to provide necessary medical care to me because of their "religious freedom." ... That is pretty much the extent of my gay political activism.
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I was only ever demoted at work for being gay...I quit that day and went to work for my former boss's rival. You don't want to work for someone who is that big of an asshole about your sexual orientation.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I was only ever demoted at work for being gay...I quit that day and went to work for my former boss's rival. You don't want to work for someone who is that big of an asshole about your sexual orientation.
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No, you are right I wouldn't. But now I would like to think I could go to HR with the matter and let them resolve it according to company policy. Most companies now have internal policies that protect employees from discrimination based on sexual orientation.
 
Joel said:
I want my partner and I to be able to have the same legal protections and benefits as any other couple who have been together for 14 years and I don't care what you call it, marriage or civil union, either on works for me. I don't want to lose my job because I get an a-hole boss who doesn't like those "fagg*ts." and lastly, not to have to worry about a health care professional refusing to provide necessary medical care to me because of their "religious freedom." ... That is pretty much the extent of my gay political activism.
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In other words you want what is in the constitution.

Conservatives don't want you to have that.
 
Joel said:
No, you are right I wouldn't. But now I would like to think I could go to HR with the matter and let them resolve it according to company policy.
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I must say this... Beware of HR. They aren't there for you. They are there to protect the company from you.

Most companies now have internal policies that protect employees from discrimination based on sexual orientation.
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Sure, most companies don't care the guy that demoted me...I don't like to speak ill of the Dead... He was doing some shady things. He had about 6 LLCs with very similar names and any time he'd get in trouble legally he'd just switch. It took months to get my over time out of him.

I imagine this is the type of person that would do that.
 
Joel said:
I want my partner and I to be able to have the same legal protections and benefits as any other couple who have been together for 14 years and I don't care what you call it, marriage or civil union, either on works for me. I don't want to lose my job because I get an a-hole boss who doesn't like those "fagg*ts." and lastly, not to have to worry about a health care professional refusing to provide necessary medical care to me because of their "religious freedom." ... That is pretty much the extent of my gay political activism.
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No problem there. Enjoy.

Just don't tell me the details.....
 
Joel said:
I want my partner and I to be able to have the same legal protections and benefits as any other couple who have been together for 14 years and I don't care what you call it, marriage or civil union, either on works for me. I don't want to lose my job because I get an a-hole boss who doesn't like those "fagg*ts." and lastly, not to have to worry about a health care professional refusing to provide necessary medical care to me because of their "religious freedom." ... That is pretty much the extent of my gay political activism.
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So, you want the constitutionally protected rights of being a US citizen?

How dare you. You know they're only for rednecks so they can carry guns around instead of their peckers.
 
AProudLefty said:
I haven't heard of any health care professional refusing that?
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You may be young. Research the 1980's and early 90's. And no, they did not always wait for that HIV diagnosis. Come in with a fever, and a partner, and sometimes they assumed one! People were thrown out of waiting rooms, denied blood tests, heck they did not get to sit in the dentist chair!
 
CLAX1911 said:
I was only ever demoted at work for being gay...I quit that day and went to work for my former boss's rival. You don't want to work for someone who is that big of an asshole about your sexual orientation.
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well that does not always work out that smoothly. I won't even tell you all the obstacles and how they can impact a capacity to replace that job and that income in a timely fashion. I will say that the funny thing about discrimination and bigotry, it tends to flow with certain 'co-morbidities' in geographic regions.
 
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