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Duggars expecting SIXTEENTH grandchild. Great example for young people.

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Mashmont said:
Given their very young ages, even of Josh, yeah, I would call it pretty normal for a curious child. He didn't even know what he was doing at that age.
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15 is old enough to know that you shouldn't sexually assault your own ****ing sibling.
 
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TheGoverness said:
Yep. It's also gross with many of the attempts to cover it up, too, which is also included in that can of worms.
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Agreed...no attempt to minimize...just making the point that there's no need to exaggerate. It's one of those times that the facts stand on their own, without needing to risk losing one's credibility through exaggeration.
 
Mashmont said:
When my children were little, we took them to the pool for the first time. My son was four, and his two sisters were younger. When he saw the pool, he cried "Big bathtub" and took off all his clothes butt naked. His sisters saw him and followed suit. This is what they did when it was bath time.

Today, the leftwingers would point to that event and say my son sexually abused his sisters. Ludicrous I know, but this is the world we live in today. So that's kinda what happened with Josh. Crucified for a nothing event when he was too little to know better.
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So...if your son did it when he was 15...still all good?
 
OlNate said:
So...if your son did it when he was 15...still all good?
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I was 16 when I had sex for the first time. I had a firm grasp of what consent was, and I still do. It's not that freaking difficult. You didn't need to tell me twice that touching someone in a manner such as that, would be unbelievably wrong, much less your own ****ing sibling.

If I can have a firm grasp of consent, so can Josh Duggar's disgusting self.
 
TheGoverness said:
I was 16 when I had sex for the first time. I had a firm grasp of what consent was, and I still do. It's not that freaking difficult. You didn't need to tell me twice that touching someone in a manner such as that, would be unbelievably wrong, much less your own ****ing sibling.

If I can have a firm grasp of consent, so can Josh Duggar's disgusting self.
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I mean, forget consent for a second, if I can be so bold as to say so. At 14-15 you DEFINITELY know not to mess with a sibling. At 14-15, in that kind of church, you DEFINITELY know that you shouldn't be doing ANYTHING like that (not implying agreement or disagreement, just that he would definitely have known, based on the teachings he would have had since an early age).

Not understanding consent, unfortunately, is actually a higher likelihood, given that in a lot of these fundamentalist denominations, the "talk" consists primarily of "don't do it". The rules around how to do it responsibly are skipped, in order to go straight to abstinence. And, if it happens, more often than not it's "boys will be boys" and "if the slut hadn't let him..." This is, thankfully, beginning to change in some denominations, but not nearly fast enough, and certainly it hadn't changed when all this went down.

(Taking a moment to add the disclaimer that generalizing is the fastest way to be wrong, and of course there are exceptions to this allegation. But usually you don't see this crap coming out of the exceptions, sooo...)
 
americanwoman said:
There's nothing normal about sexual exploring without consent and to your siblings as well.

Stop acting like that's normal.
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Isn't it great that he finds consensual gay relationships more disgusting than sexual assault? Shows where his priorities lie.
 
OlNate said:
I mean, forget consent for a second, if I can be so bold as to say so. At 14-15 you DEFINITELY know not to mess with a sibling. At 14-15, in that kind of church, you DEFINITELY know that you shouldn't be doing ANYTHING like that (not implying agreement or disagreement, just that he would definitely have known, based on the teachings he would have had since an early age).

Not understanding consent, unfortunately, is actually a higher likelihood, given that in a lot of these fundamentalist denominations, the "talk" consists primarily of "don't do it". The rules around how to do it responsibly are skipped, in order to go straight to abstinence. And, if it happens, more often than not it's "boys will be boys" and "if the slut hadn't let him..." This is, thankfully, beginning to change in some denominations, but not nearly fast enough, and certainly it hadn't changed when all this went down.

(Taking a moment to add the disclaimer that generalizing is the fastest way to be wrong, and of course there are exceptions to this allegation. But usually you don't see this crap coming out of the exceptions, sooo...)
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That's true. There is the issue of abstinence involved in this discussion. Even more of a reason why better sexual education needs to be implemented, which will only benefit teens in the long run. Much better than a lot of the abstinence stuff of there now that compares girls who've had sex to used rags, or whatnot.
 
TheGoverness said:
Isn't it great that he finds consensual gay relationships more disgusting than sexual assault?
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I get the feeling that there's a correlation between the two.

Shows where his priorities lie.
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Yup. A sad example of what can happen in the religious right, where there is a clear and unquestioned chain of hierarchy.
 
TheGoverness said:
That's true. There is the issue of abstinence involved in this discussion. Even more of a reason why better sexual education needs to be implemented, which will only benefit teens in the long run. Much better than a lot of the abstinence stuff of there now that compares girls who've had sex to used rags, or whatnot.
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Of course. :) When we see an end to rape, sexualized bullying, homophobia, STD's, unwanted pregnancies, and weird crap like this, then we can trust parents to teach their kids what they need to know. Until then, a proper sex education administered by the public school system, which reflects the sexual reality of all their students, should be a public service priority. Like vaccination. It's not just about "your" kid, it's about every kid they'll come into contact with. I cannot separate the two in my mind (vaccination and sex ed).
 
OlNate said:
Of course. :) When we see an end to rape, sexualized bullying, homophobia, STD's, unwanted pregnancies, and weird crap like this, then we can trust parents to teach their kids what they need to know. Until then, a proper sex education administered by the public school system, which reflects the sexual reality of all their students, should be a public service priority. Like vaccination. It's not just about "your" kid, it's about every kid they'll come into contact with. I cannot separate the two in my mind (vaccination and sex ed).
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Yeah. I don't get how not talking about it, is viewed as some kind of solution. It isn't.
 
OlNate said:
So...if your son did it when he was 15...still all good?
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And if your son did it, would you crucify him for the rest of his life as you people are doing with Josh?

I tend not to be so hard on kids. After all, they are KIDS.
 
Mashmont said:
And if your son did it, would you crucify him for the rest of his life as you people are doing with Josh?

I tend not to be so hard on kids. After all, they are KIDS.
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Don't say the word kids so loud, there may be Catholic priests listening.
 
americanwoman said:
Yeah, I'm totally sure in 10 more years if that same grandson started caressing your nuts while you were sleeping on multiple occasions, you might not be so quick to brush it off.
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I would just explain to him that he's probably gay and to leave my nuts alone. Find some boy his own age who likes his nuts rubbed.
 
Mashmont said:
And if your son did it, would you crucify him for the rest of his life as you people are doing with Josh?

I tend not to be so hard on kids. After all, they are KIDS.
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You're suggesting that they are moral examples. They are not. Unless you're talking about how not to be.

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OlNate said:
You're suggesting that they are moral examples. They are not. Unless you're talking about how not to be.

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Of course the Duggars are moral examples. But it doesn't mean children have great judgment all the time. I'm just asking if you leftwingers would be as unforgiving to your children if they did this as you are to Josh.
 
Mashmont said:
Of course the Duggars are moral examples. But it doesn't mean children have great judgment all the time. I'm just asking if you leftwingers would be as unforgiving to your children if they did this as you are to Josh.
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They are not moral examples and left-wing children would never sexually abuse their siblings.
 
OlNate said:
Of course. :) When we see an end to rape, sexualized bullying, homophobia, STD's, unwanted pregnancies, and weird crap like this, then we can trust parents to teach their kids what they need to know. Until then, a proper sex education administered by the public school system, which reflects the sexual reality of all their students, should be a public service priority. Like vaccination. It's not just about "your" kid, it's about every kid they'll come into contact with. I cannot separate the two in my mind (vaccination and sex ed).
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Sorry, but in the atheist public schools, they are teaching boys to view girls as sexual objects unworthy of commitment by distributing condoms to unmarried teens. If you're looking for the leftwing machinery to teach kids how to act, you're barking up the wrong tree.
 
Mashmont said:
Sorry, but in the atheist public schools, they are teaching boys to view girls as sexual objects unworthy of commitment by distributing condoms to unmarried teens. If you're looking for the leftwing machinery to teach kids how to act, you're barking up the wrong tree.
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Keeping teenagers in ignorance and letting teenage girls get pregnant is barking up the wrong tree.
 
Mashmont said:
Sorry, but in the atheist public schools, they are teaching boys to view girls as sexual objects unworthy of commitment by distributing condoms to unmarried teens. If you're looking for the leftwing machinery to teach kids how to act, you're barking up the wrong tree.
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Any Christian school teaching that sexual assault is normal should be shut down and those responsible should spend a lot of time in jail
 
zyzygy said:
They are not moral examples and left-wing children would never sexually abuse their siblings.
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To be fair (and I don't think you were explicitly trying to make this point (but people on this forum have terrible reading comprehension sometimes)), I very much doubt sibling sexual abuse or problems of that general nature are a partisan issue. There are plenty of people from all walks of life who **** up in this manner.
 
tacomancer said:
To be fair (and I don't think you were explicitly trying to make this point (but people on this forum have terrible reading comprehension sometimes)), I very much doubt sibling sexual abuse or problems of that general nature are a partisan issue. There are plenty of people from all walks of life who **** up in this manner.
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Of course, but Mashmont thinks that all left-wingers are evil, perverted atheists. An absurd notion.
 
zyzygy said:
Of course, but Mashmont thinks that all left-wingers are evil, perverted atheists. An absurd notion.
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He's just jealous because we are obviously having more fun
 
Mashmont said:
So one child in 19 has had some problems which were widely publicized by the Marxist media. Not a bad ratio. How many families which are much smaller have more problems that that? And then you consider all the dysfunction in your typical single-parent leftwing irreligious family with drug abuse, physical abuse, crime, etc. It really is hats off to the Duggars.
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Yeah, my son and I were discussing this today, while we robbed a bank. And turned the frogs gay.
 
Mashmont said:
Recently, America has been treated to all manner of sexual perversion stories by Hollywood and pop music figures. The latest is the heavily tattooed Miley Cyrus making a sham of her marriage and moving in with a woman. Cyrus lived with her husband for several years before finally marrying him. This is while she has promoted the immorality of Planned Parenthood and abortion, while having no kids of her own. "By your fruits shall we know ye"

But a beacon of light in this moral cesspool is the Duggar family. Recall the "19 kids and counting" family? For those who don't know, they are a Christian family that has a very strict code of moral behavior. When their teens were dating, no physical contact was allowed except for a side-hug at the end of dates, all of which were chaperoned. No hand-holding allowed until engagement. And no kissing until marriage. The formula has worked well. 19 well-adjusted kids and now their SIXTEENTH grandchild.

America is now in a trend where people are having children at a level below the replacement rate. This is godless leftism at work. Abortion and contraception all work against the teachings of God. "Be fruitful and multiply". The Duggars are following that law and setting a great example for the young people in our country. Jessa Duggar is a whale of a lot better example for teenage girls than fricking Miley Cyrus.
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I thought this post was going to end with you saying the Duggars are immoral people who are having way too much sex, and can't seem to stop having sex and popping out kids left and right. WHAT KIND OF PERVERSIONS IS THE WORLD COMING TO.
 
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