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Duggars expecting SIXTEENTH grandchild. Great example for young people.

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Angel said:
Of course they are. I think you are conflating feeling (the awareness of emotion -- subjective and available only by verbal report) and emotion (the neurophysiological response to a stimulus -- measurable and objective).
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Incorrect. All of these symptoms have numerous causes.
 
Angel said:
Your example is an example of a moral judgment; a moral judgment is a feeling; a feeling is subjective.

Moral judgments derive from morality, morality being the principle or principles behind moral judgments, and morality derives from animal emotion, and animal emotion is objective.

Ultimately all morality comes down to the instinct of self-preservation, the objective fundamental principle of morality.
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What is animal emotion? What is an animal? What are emotions?
 
Angel said:
Incorrect? Tell this to de Waal et al. And sometimes the cause is emotion -- fear, for example.
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And sometimes it isn't. And sometimes the cause of the emotion is a fiction. Is all fear the same?
 
Angel said:
The Last Word

I'm afraid W.B. Yeats had the last word, one hundred years ago.
And one hundred years later those of you who have defended disorder in this thread help make Yeats' prophetic utterance the last word.

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The Second Coming
W. B. Yeats - 1865-1939

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?


This poem is in the public domain.
The Second Coming by W. B. Yeats - Poems | Academy of American Poets

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Yeats’s “Second Coming”—Our Most Thoroughly Pillaged Poem
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Amen, brother. The writing's on the wall but the narcissos think it's just so much graffiti.
 
Angel's Thesis

morality:moral judgment::emotion:feeling​
 
Angel said:
You have no credibility anymore, Quag, after those ridiculous circular arguments from definition.
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LOl
Says the guy who claims morals are objective then uses subjective criteria to prove it.
Now are morals from emotions or instincts?
 
Angel said:
Amen, brother. The writing's on the wall but the narcissos think it's just so much graffiti.
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You do know you just responded to your own post? And the writing is indeed on the wall, neither Duggar or Cyrus are like you have described them. What is so angelic about a person who is giving the wrong impression to girls about their future? Women no longer have to be a child making and rearing machine. Nobody should feel bad for having as many children as Duggar has now but it is also not a goal/fantastic achievement which deserves being called an angel. And while Cyrus has a lot of dubious acts in her past (especially her twerking) but she also has done a lot of charitable and animal friendly acts. She is far away from a demon as a fallible person can be, just as Duggar is far from sainted.
 
Angel said:
That's a level far above your comprehension, citizen. Remember the Rutabaga!
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I find it quite interesting how cunning everyone who disagrees with someone else is. How the whole time they were trying to trick you into revealing something about yourself that you were trying to hide. What I also find interesting is that when this way I operate has been revealed I wasn't trying to hide it at all if they asked me point-blank I would state it.


It makes me wonder if I was this is just some sort of projection.
 
devildavid said:
Go find your rutabaga and become enlightened.
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Where is CharisRose when you really need her? You're still oblivious to the point she tried in vain to drive home to you. There's a lesson here, but it's lost on the very one who would benefit by it.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I find it quite interesting how cunning everyone who disagrees with someone else is. How the whole time they were trying to trick you into revealing something about yourself that you were trying to hide. What I also find interesting is that when this way I operate has been revealed I wasn't trying to hide it at all if they asked me point-blank I would state it.


It makes me wonder if I was this is just some sort of projection.
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You may be right about the projection, CLAX. It comes down to self-knowledge, or the lack thereof. I constantly wonder at your patience with them. My patience wore thin one year into my membership. Now I just give them short shrift.
 
Mashmont said:
One child out of 19. That's pretty danged good if you ask me. And he has overcome his problem and is a productive husband and father. Show me a family that doesn't consist of fallible humans who sometimes do bad things.
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How do you know how well adjusted they are? From TV?
 
zyzygy said:
The fantasy world of tv.
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As opposed to the fantasy world of EU political "thought," yes.
That's what it comes down to in contemporary partisan political debate, fantasy vs. fantasy.
 
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