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Duggars expecting SIXTEENTH grandchild. Great example for young people.

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and your picture means what to that discussion exactly?
That Jana Duggar is a healthier role model for teens and preteens than Miley Cyrus -- understood as the personas of these persons of course.
 
Stay tuned for a correction.

Why, it is absolutely correct, morality is for a large part subjective. There is a basic group of moral views we all (at least almost all) agree with. That murder is wrong, that stealing is wrong, etc. etc. etc. but this too is subjective to a degree. Yes, murder is wrong, but if you fear your abusive husband is about to kill you, it may still be viewed as murder to some, even sometimes legally but that does not make her act immoral. Stealing is immoral, but if your child is starving and you steal a loaf of bread to feed it, it is much less of an immoral act than stealing to feed your addiction or so that you can drink.

Morality is subjective, some feel nudism is immoral, I say what is it to you, if they think it is morally right and they do not do it in the playground in your neighborhood, who gives a crap that other people think it is immoral. The nudists will think it is perfectly morally upstanding.
 
I've already agreed with this in my post.
I never discussed anything but the movement of heat in relation to how that is an absolute. It shows why morality cannot be absolute because our perception changes that morality, a moral code. Morality is principles concerning the distinction between good and bad behavior, right and wrong. The very concepts that make up the definition of morality are subjective.

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Why, it is absolutely correct, morality is for a large part subjective. There is a basic group of moral views we all (at least almost all) agree with. That murder is wrong, that stealing is wrong, etc. etc. etc. but this too is subjective to a degree. Yes, murder is wrong, but if you fear your abusive husband is about to kill you, it may still be viewed as murder to some, even sometimes legally but that does not make her act immoral. Stealing is immoral, but if your child is starving and you steal a loaf of bread to feed it, it is much less of an immoral act than stealing to feed your addiction or so that you can drink.

Morality is subjective, some feel nudism is immoral, I say what is it to you, if they think it is morally right and they do not do it in the playground in your neighborhood, who gives a crap that other people think it is immoral. The nudists will think it is perfectly morally upstanding.
See post #1241.
 
I never discussed anything but the movement of heat in relation to how that is an absolute. It shows why morality cannot be absolute because our perception changes that morality, a moral code. Morality is principles concerning the distinction between good and bad behavior, right and wrong. The very concepts that make up the definition of morality are subjective.
Please reread post #1241. You appear to be ignoring the central distinction I make between moral judgment and morality per se.
 
That Jana Duggar is a healthier role model for teens and preteens than Miley Cyrus -- understood as the personas of these persons of course.
In your opinion. And in some ways, she is. In other ways, such as future goals of women and how they are treated, she is a very bad role model. Her family taught her she has to be submissive to her spouse and should strive mainly and only to be a mother and wife. What kind of role model would that be for a girl who wants to be working in STEM or join the military? A girl who can't have children?

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Please reread post #1241. You appear to be ignoring the central distinction I make between moral judgment and morality per se.
And it's wrong. Morality is exactly how I defined it. People pass moral judgement but morality is their personal view on good and bad, right or wrong. Which are subjective concepts.

To add, one great way to figure out if something is objective or subjective is whether it can be measured. Heat and heat flow can be measured. Mass and gravity can be measured. Morality cannot be measured. Good and bad cannot be objectively measured.

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And it's wrong. Morality is exactly how I defined it. People pass moral judgement but morality is their personal view on good and bad, right or wrong. Which are subjective concepts.
Morality is the rightness or wrongness of behavior. This is universal and objective. Moral judgment is the opinion of what is right or wrong. This is subjective,
 
The Philistines are upon you, Mashmont! Religious bigotry and group think, an army of this nonsense throughout social media.

Incorrect, the Philistines are the, well, the likes of you.

Wikipedia description of a philistine:

In the fields of philosophy and æsthetics, the derogatory term philistinism describes the 'manners, habits, and character' of a person whose anti-intellectual social attitude undervalues and despises art and beauty, spirituality and intellect. A philistine person is a man or a woman of smugly narrow mind, and of conventional morality whose materialistic views and tastes indicate a lack of and an indifference to cultural and æsthetic values.

You are part of the philistines, you are the narrow minded person of conventional morality makes you denounce people who are not like your own conventional morality. The bigotry is religious in nature as is the group thinking. In fact the liberal has an attitude of personal freedom and personal responsibility and rights, where are the religious/religious adjacent groups think everybody has to comply with their views on what is moral and should be allowed.

The army of people who stand up for personal freedom are the people who are being attacked by your philistine groups for being individual and different. Now that does not mean that even the people who stand up for freedom are not often idiots online. But to mark them out as being philistines is just incorrect.
 
Oy! Plagiarism and copyright infringement are not the same thing. Please apprise yourself of the difference. The former is not against the rules of the forum; the latter is. The former is posting as ostensibly your own text that is not yours. It's a matter of poor form. Whether you agree or not, that is what you did -- you posted passages from a site without indicating that these passages were not written by you. There's nothing to dispute or disagree with.

In other words I forgot or did not think it was important enough to mention it was from wikipedia. That is it, all your nonsense of plagiarism is that, nonsense. And what is a matter of poor form is keeping up this endless diatribe about me forgetting to write: from wikipedia.
 
And it's wrong. Morality is exactly how I defined it. People pass moral judgement but morality is their personal view on good and bad, right or wrong. Which are subjective concepts.

To add, one great way to figure out if something is objective or subjective is whether it can be measured. Heat and heat flow can be measured. Mass and gravity can be measured. Morality cannot be measured. Good and bad cannot be objectively measured.
Of course it's measured, measured as right or wrong. And what is being measured -- behavior -- is objective,
 
In other words I forgot or did not think it was important enough to mention it was from wikipedia. That is it, all your nonsense of plagiarism is that, nonsense. And what is a matter of poor form is keeping up this endless diatribe about me forgetting to write: from wikipedia.
Or putting quotation marks around it or enclosing it in the site's quote balloon, yes.
 
That Jana Duggar is a healthier role model for teens and preteens than Miley Cyrus -- understood as the personas of these persons of course.

And that was what to do with the philistines? Neither IMHO is a great role model for teens and preteens.
 
Much obliged for the considered argument, rouguenuke. I mean that sincerely. "Morality is subjective!" has become a catchphrase in Internet discourse seldom backed by an argument, as in zyzygy post quoted below. Where there's any critical thought behind the catchphrase at all, it usually involves the conflation of moral judgment and morality in itself, as in the Quag post below.

Now, your argument is sound. Let me acknowledge this up front. Your argument is sound, but it is not an argument that morality is subjective -- it is an argument to the conclusion that moral judgment is subjective. And let me acknowledge the soundness of that conclusion -- moral judgment is subjective.

Moreover, "there is no universal set of morals," as you say, which is an empirical generalization and also sound, I acknowledge, but also not a generalization about morality in itself, but rather, again, about moral judgments as codified by various cultures.

A very good key to the distinction I'm drawing is given by you in your argument against moral universality. You argue, "Universal laws are just that, totally universal, not simply mostly universal. Heat flows to cold is a universal law. Gravity is the attraction of objects of smaller mass to those of larger mass. Morality," you add by way of contrast, "is based on people's perceptions of the world."
But the very same point about perceptions applies to universal physical laws as well. Perceptions of heat vary from individual to individual, but heat itself and its laws are universal and objective. Morality, the rightness or wrongness of certain human behavior, is universal to human behavior everywhere and throughout time, and behavior is objective.

Moral judgments are subjective.

Morality is universal and objective.




Please note: my argument is intended as in addition to Mashmont's argument from consequences.


Morality is neither universal nor objective.
It is in fact by definition subjective
 
Morality is the rightness or wrongness of behavior. This is universal and objective. Moral judgment is the opinion of what is right or wrong. This is subjective,

The rightness or wrongness of anything is subjective
 
Of course it's measured, measured as right or wrong. And what is being measured -- behavior -- is objective,

Those are subective measures, differeng from person to person making proving once again that mrals are subjective.
 
Or putting quotation marks around it or enclosing it in the site's quote balloon, yes.

Your argument is bull****

I don't see you adding an appendix to your posts when you cut and splice images or text references.

If you use text from any book even the bible SOMEONE holds the publishing rights for that addition.

To be totally honest you should be asking to use those rights and be stating from whom you secured it from.

Did you take that picture of Miss Cyrus?

No, that is a copyright violation even if you secured it from someone else who stole it.

If someone gives you a bike, a bike they stole, you are still guilty of possession of stolen property.

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Your argument is bull****

I don't see you adding an appendix to your posts when you cut and splice images or text references.

If you use text from any book even the bible SOMEONE holds the publishing rights for that addition.

To be totally honest you should be asking to use those rights and be stating from whom you secured it from.

Did you take that picture of Miss Cyrus?

No, that is a copyright violation even if you secured it from someone else who stole it.

If someone gives you a bike, a bike they stole, you are still guilty of possession of stolen property.

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No, I'm afraid you don't know what the **** you're talking about, counselor. The conversation you butted into was about plagiarism, not copyright infringement. So take a hike. Go find another meme to post.
 
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Those are subective measures, differeng from person to person making proving once again that mrals are subjective.
Noses differ from person to person; that doesn't make noses subjective.
Try another argument.
 
No, I'm afraid you don't know what the **** you're talking about, counselor. The conversation you butted into was about plagiarism, not copyright infringement. So take a hike. Go find another meme to post.

Counselor, that would be you.

Your splitting hairs.

I'm 100% sure that you don't see the stupidity in your post.

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I don't champion her persona, I correctly state that the persona portrayed by the Miley haters here is nonsense. I stated she has talent as a singer but for some strange reason, in the minds of the Miley haters, that means I agree with her behavior on stage even if I don't. I am an old fart, I do not understand her behavior but to make her out as an immoral monster so to speak is bull ****, she does a lot of good work, she has talent and she is as fallible as the rest of us. She is not a saint, she is not a sinner, she is somewhere in between, just like the rest of US.

And if Europe is such a place in decline, then why has the most beautiful art always come from our shores? Your views on Europe are incorrect. That is why Europe ranks in just about any ranking of happiness and comfort among the best. Most free, happiest people, most press freedom, etc. etc. etc. We are very happy living in Europe. I would not want to live anywhere but the Netherlands, not for all the gold on the planet so to speak.

I would much rather look at art by the old Dutch masters, Manet, Monet, Gaugin, Magritte, Willink, Rietveld, van Gogh or Picasso. I don't do art based on religious fables. At least not dark and depressing ones.
Respect for your aesthetic sensibility, Mr King, prompts me to ask you for your opinion on the revised version:


Aesop's Last Fable


The Dove...........................................................................
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................................................................................& The Skank


A Dove sat high in a baobab tree, her pure white plumage shining in the sun, the glory of the world.

At the base of the tree a wild savannah Skank, twerking in the twilight of the world,
mocked and jeered at everything pure and clean on God's green earth.

A passing caravan of Lemmings, in search of a Cliff but drawn to the tree by the Skank's noisy shenanigans,
mocked and jeered at the beautiful Dove on high,
and yet before nightfall they would all be swimming to Lemuria once again, every last one of them.


Sure there's no accounting for taste, but herd taste is of no account whatsoever.
 
...I'm 100% sure that you don't see the stupidity in your post.
It must feel so nice being 100% sure about something you don't know.
Tell me something, Dick. In the course of your meme research have you ever come across the name Andy Warhol?
 
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