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    Re: What 'gay pride' is, and how it is manifested in the gay pride march.

    Quote Originally Posted by btthegreat View Post
    Lol. A lot of distinctions, gathered into a search party, looking for a fundamental difference worth trekking in the mud and brambles for.
    Balderdash...

    yes I judge people who apply double standards to justify silencing a minority... every single time.
    Good. The next question is why are you talking to me about this?

    When gay people come out about their orientation, they avail themselves of the same right to openly discuss and show their romantic sexual and legal relationships is exactly the same way straights have been doing forever.
    Good...

    Its not more offensive to your sensitive soul to hear someone announce, 'I am gay. Deal with it'
    I just told you that I have been around and know gay people... so it appears that your Judgmental Nature is driven by blinding anger and lack of reading comprehension.

    to any and all, and then show it and celebrate it, through their their partnerships and their sexuality, than it is for straights to show they are straight without said annoucement and still show it, and celebrate their partnerships and their sexuality.
    I don't have any idea what any of this means... do you mean Weddings or going on dates, or something?

    'Coming out' gay or straight, is part of normal life, and living it.
    Pretty basic... anything more?

    Its nothing but a game of 'show and tell. Straights do it a lot slower and incrementally than gays do because they really don't have to do it at all,
    Nobody has to come out... heterosexuals don't come out... nobody needs to anymore, in most of the Western World, at least. Nobody comes out for their religion or race either... Jews are one of the most oppressed groups in history... I don't see them parading.

    thanks to that 85% stat.
    85% stat?

    As for dancing and celebrating in streets , Why does it matter whether the reason is about sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion or just having a good time! Lets see if we can see this disruptive and disgusting behavior elsewhere in 'straightland' .
    Look at your stupid ****... "straightland"... get a grip... and you are the one adding disruptive and disgusting... you are the one with the hatred.

    There is Mardi Gras, St Patrick's day in Dublin and New York, Pamplona Spain, Octoberfest Munich, The Carnival in Venice, La Tomatina in Bunol, The Carnival in Rio de Janero, Durga Puja in India, Burning Man Festival in Nevada, The Holi in India. Here we see straights engaging in public dancing, revelry, lude and/or nude behavior, drunkenness, drug use,
    Those are just parties... events... nothing about any of them is about sexuality, gender, race, religion... just having fun.

    even orchestrated animal abuse or animal sacrifice.
    That is unacceptable...

    heck I once read that a certain David was a street dancer in his wild days (2 Samuel 6: 14-16 ,1 Chronicles 15:29) I'll bet he never even filed for a permit!
    The Bible is stupid and David should have received a court date and fine for that...

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    Re: What 'gay pride' is, and how it is manifested in the gay pride march.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am not a conservative...
    Why is it that so many conservatives or, ahem Liberarians, won't declare what their beliefs are? I wonder why that might be?

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    Re: What 'gay pride' is, and how it is manifested in the gay pride march.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    Why is it that so many conservatives or, ahem Liberarians, won't declare what their beliefs are? I wonder why that might be?
    Do you mean Librarians?

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    Re: What 'gay pride' is, and how it is manifested in the gay pride march.

    Quote Originally Posted by btthegreat View Post
    We do not feel pride in' being gay' or in our sexuality at all. Gay pride is about the personal coming out process and how we handled those challenges.

    We feel personal and collective pride in how we responded to the social pressure, the stigma, the systemic efforts to shame and control us by the majority throughout decades and centuries of repression....
    "Gay pride", like every other kind of "pride" movement is a single issue identity movement directed at the public-at-large. It's not a fraternal, social, or private group or club; it is an totalizing public identity movement based on an endless need for attention and overt validation from the public - a need to demonstrate "righteous" pride over one's mating habits with others of similar gonads.

    Although gay lifestyles have become socially acceptable and routine, and in some metrosexual circles faddish, the need for 'Victory dancing' persists even for the youngest generation. Unlike pro-life or anti-war demonstrations, it must continue regardless of whether or not the 'war' over an issue is won because it is not about political issues or perceived injustices but about identity validation - a need for overt social approval.

    Identity affirmation 'as a particular group' is oddly contradictory. On one hand it asserts itself as being "normal" and "socially unremarkable" - expecting to be treated as an member of society like any other. On the other hand, it doesn't really wish to be assimilated into the typical or un-remarkable because its "pride" is in its 'sub-culture', in its shared collective behavior and associations. In other words, many identity groups need perceived oppression in order to not lose their sense of uniqueness and validation as victims, long after the significant battles are won.

    None the less, sex based identity politics will never disappear until such time as the insecure identity group truly looks upon itself as "normal"; until then, they demand active approval of the larger society for reassurance that they are normal, if only because somewhere buried in their sub-conscious they know they are not and perhaps never can be.

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    Re: What 'gay pride' is, and how it is manifested in the gay pride march.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post



    Nobody has to come out... heterosexuals don't come out... nobody needs to anymore, in most of the Western World, at least.
    Heteros don't come out because people are assumed to be hetero unless we say something otherwise. That should change and people stop assuming that everyone is hetero or CIS.

    Did you ever consider the fact that gays and lesbians are tired of living in the closet and everyone assuimg that they are heterosexual? Coming out is often a political statement so people know that there are others around them who are gay/bi/les.

    Trans people do have to come out when they begin to change. It's kind of obvious. Many are assaulted because of it.
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    Re: What 'gay pride' is, and how it is manifested in the gay pride march.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Do you mean Librarians?
    Libertarians are silly.

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    Re: What 'gay pride' is, and how it is manifested in the gay pride march.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    Libertarians are silly.
    Oh... so you asked me about Conservatives... I am not one... now you are asking me about Libertarians... and I am not one of those either.

    Is this going to get worse from here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    Did you ever consider the fact that gays and lesbians are tired of living in the closet and everyone assuimg that they are heterosexual? Coming out is often a political statement so people know that there are others around them who are gay/bi/les.

    Trans people do have to come out when they begin to change. It's kind of obvious. Many are assaulted because of it.
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    Why are you asking me about any of this?

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    Re: What 'gay pride' is, and how it is manifested in the gay pride march.

    That would be because of your reply in #111.

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    Re: What 'gay pride' is, and how it is manifested in the gay pride march.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Balderdash...



    Good. The next question is why are you talking to me about this?



    Good...



    I just told you that I have been around and know gay people... so it appears that your Judgmental Nature is driven by blinding anger and lack of reading comprehension. So did Roy Cohen. You are going to have to do better than 'some- of- my- best- friends...' without the best friends part.



    I don't have any idea what any of this means... do you mean Weddings or going on dates, or something? I don't know how much harder I have to try. If you can't grasp this, then you can't!



    Pretty basic... anything more?



    Nobody has to come out... heterosexuals don't come out... nobody needs to anymore, in most of the Western World, at least. Nobody comes out for their religion or race either... Jews are one of the most oppressed groups in history... I don't see them parading. Wow. Lets see if you can figure out the fundamental difference between Jews and Gays or Lesbians as minority groups and see if any might be relevant to a 'coming out' process and yes gays do still 'come out' in all western societies. I can only educate so much



    85% stat? I picked a more liberal number for you benefit, because different studies suggest anything from 5-15% depending on definitions . An overwhelming majority are straight so it is the social, and cultural default presumption.


    Look at your stupid ****... "straightland"... get a grip... and you are the one adding disruptive and disgusting... you are the one with the hatred. Lol the reference to 'straightland' offends you? Relax . I don't mind living in Straightland. As I use it, it describes a planet full of large geopolitical areas where straights are the vast majority . 'Queerland' is really about some districts in some big cities and the odd beach here and there. I feel pretty very comfortable in Straightland', and I hope you get a warm welcome if you happen into Queerland.



    Those are just parties... events... nothing about any of them is about sexuality, gender, race, religion... just having fun. So what difference does it make whether the party/ excuse is about sexuality, ethnicity, religion or just having fun? Here we see a percentage of straights engaging in or watching public dancing, revelry, lude and/or nude behavior, drunkenness, drug use, even orchestrated animal abuse or animal sacrifice as part of traditional behaviors, and it is hardly a compendium of them all.



    That is unacceptable... here we agree.



    The Bible is stupid and David should have received a court date and fine for that... here we agree.
    See above.

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    Re: What 'gay pride' is, and how it is manifested in the gay pride march.

    Quote Originally Posted by btthegreat View Post
    See above.
    It is tough to go point by point when you don't break it up...

    - Straightland does not offend me... it is just a stupid phrase to use.
    - Queerland is also a stupid term...
    - I don't know who Roy Cohen is and I never said "best friends"
    - I am not talking about a coming out process... I am talking about publicly disclosing who you are to strangers just because...
    - They are all minority groups,... that was the point
    - The percentage of gay people in the USA is closer to 95%... not 85%
    - I don't care about drinking etc in public for parades... it is the reason for the parade... a Pride parade is a needy parade.

    I think that I got all the points.

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