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Transgender Victoria Secret Model - Breaking Down Barriers

Yes, it was wrong to label it a disorder. We have for centuries been treating them so badly that it for many has become a mental disorder but it did not have to be that way. The catholic religion was mostly to blame for that. In ancient Rome it may not have been everyone's cup of tea but gay sex was generally accepted and legal, it remained that way until the catholic religion became prevalent in Roman society, then it became a crime punishable by death.

Do you not think that the influence of "religion" in general has caused a very negative, brutal and criminalizing attitude around things like homosexuality and being transgender? I find it terrible that the incidence of suicide is so high, and my attitude seem to be "**** them"? Nope, my attitude is to love and embrace them and make the world realize that there is nothing wrong with them, nothing they cannot talk about or feel insecure about so that they really do feel embraced and not insecure/persecuted and the number of suicides among them can come down. I want to help them but not by calling what they are a mental disorder but that the people who do not embrace them and accept them are the ones who truly have a mental disorder..


Hate to be the one to break this to you but gender dysphoria is still a mental disorder.
 
so was it wrong before they edited gender dysphoria out of the DSM?

Unless I missed 6 coming out, Gender Dysphoria is still in DSM-5.

From Wikipedia:
Gender dysphoria*(GD) is the distress a person feels due to a mismatch between their*gender identity*and their*sex assigned at birth. People who experience gender dysphoria are typically*transgender. The diagnostic label*gender identity disorder*(GID) was used by the*DSM*until it was renamed*gender dysphoria*in 2013 with the release of the*DSM-5. The diagnosis was renamed to remove the*stigma*associated with the term*disorder.[4]

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Dismissive comments aren't persecution and lots of cis-gendered Lyft drivers have also been assaulted

They were not assaulted because of their gender. They were assaulted because they had money. That driver was a friend of a friend of mine.

Those dismissive comments come from someone who sets public policy, so they are very relevant if trans people are denied housing opportunities because of Carson's bigotry.
 
Hate to be the one to break this to you but gender dysphoria is still a mental disorder.

How would Dr Dixon treat this supposed mental disorder, if you claim to be so well versed in human sexuality and psychology?
 
Why is it a disorder ?

why can't a person declare one gender at birth be considered another in later life ?
Gender dysphoria is a disorder because it causes an excessive amount of anxiety and distinction in one's life. Transgenderism, which is different, but usually the cause of GD is not a disorder. Even when the individual has had SRS, they are still a transgender. They are still an individual who was born with a sex that did not match their gender.

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Gender dysphoria is a disorder because it causes an excessive amount of anxiety and distinction in one's life....

Are you sure that's a definition of disorder ?


Religious doubts could have a similar effect


...Transgenderism, which is different, but usually the cause of GD is not a disorder. Even when the individual has had SRS, they are still a transgender. They are still an individual who was born with a sex that did not match their gender.


Would a transgender person not suffer from anxiety ?


Anyway the question occurred to me, to what benefit to we get by assigning any gender at all to a person ?
 
Why is it a disorder ?

why can't a person declare one gender at birth be considered another in later life ?

They can and do declare such things everyday.
 
Gender dysphoria is a disorder because it causes an excessive amount of anxiety and distinction in one's life. Transgenderism, which is different, but usually the cause of GD is not a disorder. Even when the individual has had SRS, they are still a transgender.

And most frequently still afflicted with gender dysphoria.
 
Anyway the question occurred to me, to what benefit to we get by assigning any gender at all to a person ?

Their sex is identified in 99% of the cases. It is only when their genitals haven't normally developed that the Dr assign a sex.
 
And most frequently still afflicted with gender dysphoria.
You have stats on that? GD doesn't automatically require SRS to be relieved. In some cases, just being able to present as their gender is enough. In other cases, only top surgery is needed. Now if you want to talk about those misdiagnosed, that's a separate issue.

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Are you sure that's a definition of disorder ?

From an article on Saybrook University's website:
Definitions of mental disorders in the DSM-5 consider these 5 factors:

A behavioral or psychological syndrome or pattern that occurs in an individual

Reflects an underlying psychobiological dysfunction

The consequences of which are clinically significant distress (e.g., a painful symptom) or disability (i.e., impairment in one or more important areas of functioning)

Must not be merely an expected response to common stressors and losses (ex. the loss of a loved one) or a culturally sanctioned response to a particular event (ex. trance states in religious rituals)

Primarily a result of social deviance or conflicts with society

Religious doubts could have a similar effect

Criteria 4 says otherwise.

Would a transgender person not suffer from anxiety ?

Context? Prediagnosed, and prior to treatment, yes of course they would. And to be clear that is an anxiety based on the GD that stems from the transgenderism. After treatment, assuming no misdiagnosis, any anxiety would be from another source. This could include bullying. Any such anxiety would stem from the interactions of the bully, not the bully's reasons for harassing the individual. Given the number of anxiety sources cis people suffer, there is no reason to assume that trans folks would not also be subject to them.

Anyway the question occurred to me, to what benefit to we get by assigning any gender at all to a person ?

Convenience at first, especially with infants. Plus, the majority of the time, gender does match sex, just like a majority of the time the person will be right handed. However, once they start to recognize their own gender, a trait not physically evident, then is when we should start honoring it.

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They can and do declare such things everyday....

They, them, those people. Can you be more specific than "they" ?


...Their sex is identified in 99% of the cases. It is only when their genitals haven't normally developed that the Dr assign a sex.


Yes.

However the question was what benefit we get by a person having a gender assigned - other than is say sport ?
 
From an article on Saybrook University's website:

A behavioral or psychological syndrome or pattern that occurs in an individual

Reflects an underlying psychobiological dysfunction

The consequences of which are clinically significant distress (e.g., a painful symptom) or disability (i.e., impairment in one or more important areas of functioning)...

So confusion as to which gender to adopt is labelled a disorder because those affected can suffer from significant distress and disability (including loss/impairment of bodily functions ?

Such effects can be seen on people leaving a church or cult or losing a loved one.

...must not be merely an expected response to common stressors and losses (ex. the loss of a loved one) or a culturally sanctioned response to a particular event (ex. trance states in religious rituals)

Primarily a result of social deviance or conflicts with society...

Whist I would agree that any confusion over what gender to adopt, that results in a biological function impairment is a disorder, I think we should be careful to call people so confused as "sick"

Upon thinking about it, why do we need to assign gender anyway - aside from sports ?


...convenience at first, especially with infants. Plus, the majority of the time, gender does match sex, just like a majority of the time the person will be right handed. However, once they start to recognize their own gender, a trait not physically evident, then is when we should start honoring it.

Convenience isn't a good reason. We just need a new pronoun.

Certainly at a young age which could be seen as indoctrination.
 
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You have stats on that? GD doesn't automatically require SRS to be relieved. In some cases, just being able to present as their gender is enough. In other cases, only top surgery is needed. Now if you want to talk about those misdiagnosed, that's a separate issue.

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Nah, I don't keep stats on the transgendered. The suicide rate is the same after SRS which would seem to indicate many continue with their gender dysphoria. And no one claimed GD automatically require SRS. And some are cured by nothing more than the passage of time.
 
They, them, those people. Can you be more specific than "they" ?

Those who wish to be "considered another (gender) in later life" different from their gender at birth.

Yes.

However the question was what benefit we get by a person having a gender assigned - other than is say sport ?

Our conversation is regarding the transgendered. The intersexed is irrelevant.
 
Convenience at first, especially with infants. Plus, the majority of the time, gender does match sex, just like a majority of the time the person will be right handed. However, once they start to recognize their own gender, a trait not physically evident, then is when we should start honoring it.

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Of children who express feelings of being transgendered, 70-80% spontaneously lost those feelings. I suspect what you deem to be "Honoring" those feelings would likely reduce that number.
 
Those who wish to be "considered another (gender) in later life" different from their gender at birth....

OK, and what about "them" ?


...our conversation is regarding the transgendered. The intersexed is irrelevant.


No, it's very relevent.

If we don't worry about ascribing gender any more, won't the problem go away.

What would be the downside of removing the gender from birth certificates ?
 
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