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Is there anything good about past gender roles?

SDET said:
It's actually a slick move on the man's part. He frees himself from the Damocoles Sword of alimony, child support and enabling someone else to live off your paycheck after divorce. The reason there are so few, it's hard to find women willing to be suckers. However, men are slowly waking up to the risk.

I wonder what the look on such a woman's face is when he stamps his feet and exclaims "I'm bored; I want a divorce."

If both genders excelled intellectually, minimum wage hired help would do the housework.
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No worries, it seems men still hold the record there and are not interested in retiring the title.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Is there anything positive that could be regained from exploring the past?

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No. The actual gender roles weren't the issue. The problem was the coercion that went along with them. Society deeming it acceptable for a husband to beat his wife for not fulfilling the role to his expectation was the problem.
 
Is there anything good about past gender roles?
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Ah! the wisdom of herd mentality past

vs.

The stupidity of herd mentality present


Here's a little song reminding you of yourself:

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spud_meister said:
No. The actual gender roles weren't the issue. The problem was the coercion that went along with them. Society deeming it acceptable for a husband to beat his wife for not fulfilling the role to his expectation was the problem.
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Some seem to miss the fact that for women, it was indeed often coercion, force, brutality, exclusion, threats of taking their kids, etc. Hardly a herd mentality.
 
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And some seem to miss the point entirely, usually members of the contempo herd with a penchant for solemnity.​
 
There is no such thing as gender roles.
 
Lursa said:
No worries, it seems men still hold the record there and are not interested in retiring the title.
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Yes, those are referred to as White Knights, Manginas, Cucks, Simps and male Feminists.
 
SDET said:
Yes, those are referred to as White Knights, Manginas, Cucks, Simps and male Feminists.
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And they're the great majority of men..sad that it's taking so long for men to either be decent husbands or not bother women by asking them to marry.
 
Most women have a definition of a "decent husband" that generally means meet all her demands no matter how ridiculous. Often that includes "keep me happy", "keep me entertained" and "buy me whatever I want" and "be better than any other man I happen to meet". Yup, that would surely meet the definition of a sucker.

Lursa said:
And they're the great majority of men..sad that it's taking so long for men to either be decent husbands or not bother women by asking them to marry.
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Bodhisattva said:
Is there anything positive that could be regained from exploring the past?

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First, those gender roles never actually existed. But there was something comforting about having a Dad in the home who loved and cared for and financially supported his family. And Mom was there for the kids, to make sure they had good food on the table, were properly dressed for the weather, and the kids had the security of knowing she was there for them when they needed her. The result was strong, stable neighborhoods where the crime rate was so low it was mostly non existent, and the kids were safe in their homes, on the street, in their churches, in their schools and when they went to Walmart.

And women were pretty darn liberated. Millions of us--and I do say us--pursued formal education beyond high school, and we were engaged in careers, hobbies, volunteer work, etc. that we loved. But we didn't HAVE to work for wages if we chose not to because men were expected to take care of their families and the huge majority of them did. Women who chose not to work for wages were not looked down on or scorned for not realizing their full potential. And there was much less stress and every bit as much if not more free time for all. So we had freedom and choices that many women these days do not.

I grew up in that era and never once felt oppressed or that my options were limited because I was a woman. And in fact they were not.

No it wasn't all perfect--(the critics will now insert segregation and lack of reproductive rights etc. etc. etc.)--but it sure beat the epidemic of fatherless homes, child abuse and neglect, and the horrendous conditions too many children grow up in now. I don't know what the family situation of the El Paso and Dayton shooters were this week, but the most prevalent common denominator for these kinds of mass murderers is estrangement from or absence of a loving father figure when they were growing up. I don't think we can ignore that.

It was pretty much a non existent problem during the time those ads in the OP depicted.
 
SDET said:
Most women have a definition of a "decent husband" that generally means meet all her demands no matter how ridiculous. Often that includes "keep me happy", "keep me entertained" and "buy me whatever I want" and "be better than any other man I happen to meet". Yup, that would surely meet the definition of a sucker.
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You have no idea how most women define anything.
 
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What are little boys made of?
What are little boys made of?
Snips and snails
And puppy-dogs’ tails,
That’s what little boys are made of.

What are little girls made of?
What are little girls made of?
Sugar and spice
And everything nice,
That’s what little girls are made of.
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What Are Little Boys Made Of? – Nursery Rhymes

"What Are Little Boys Made Of?" is a popular nursery rhyme dating from the early 19th century. It has a Roud Folk Song Index number of 821.

The author of the rhyme is uncertain, but may be English poet Robert Southey (1774–1843).
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What Are Little Boys Made Of? - Wikipedia

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What Are Little Boys Made Of
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devildavid said:
There is no such thing as gender roles.
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Rubbish.
 
SDET said:
Most women have a definition of a "decent husband" that generally means meet all her demands no matter how ridiculous. Often that includes "keep me happy", "keep me entertained" and "buy me whatever I want" and "be better than any other man I happen to meet". Yup, that would surely meet the definition of a sucker.
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Your personal impression of women is generally wrong, pathetic, and not surprising.

And yes...being such suckers doesnt shed a very good light on the men that let that happen to them or pick so poorly.
 
devildavid said:
There is no such thing as gender roles.
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But apparently there's no lack of passive aggressive futile posting from those that believe parrots can support causes.
 
devildavid said:
Surveys? They ask women what they want from men? Sure they do.
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And women LOVE them! And they're the meat and potatoes of women's magazines. Why would they lie?

You dont get or find what you want by lying.
 
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The way the world was and always will be,
feminist propaganda aside
Amen​
 
COTO said:
There's little research on how stay-at-home dads compare to stay-at-home moms.

Even circa 2019, stay-at-home dads are extremely rare (estimates range between 1-in-20 and 1-in-15 stay-at-home parents, and many of these have a grandparent or other relative assisting). Before the Millennial generation, stay-at-home dads were practically unheard of. The only research I've seen about stay-at-home dads suggests: i) a stay-at-home dad is better for children than daycare, and ii) stay-at-home dads tends to feel isolated and stigmatized, particularly by women.

I suspect that if/when any long-term research comes out, it will again frustrate social engineers by establishing that while stay-at-home-dads makes as much sense as stay-at-home-moms in theory, in actual practice, given reality's regrettable tendency to ignore what we think ought to work, moms will handily win out as the more capable homemakers and child rearers, with dads excelling at bringing home the bacon.

Time might prove me wrong, but I highly doubt it.
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I won't disagree with you on trend. There is so much we can separate men and women by when looking at the groups as a whole. The problem comes when we try to force the trend on individuals. When we tell a man he shouldn't be a stay at home dad because men aren't as good at it than women. That man may actually be better than most women. We can't allow what is statistically normal to hold back those who are outside the statistical norms. Most women won't make good CEO's, but that doesn't mean we automatically assume that a given woman won't make a good CEO.

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devildavid said:
There is no such thing as gender roles.
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You couldn't be more wrong. The fact that they are social constructs that have shifted and altered across time and societies does not make them any less real. Now if you want to claim that there are no hard and fast gender roles that can be objectively defined, I'd agree with you.

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